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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:11 pm

Govbarney wrote:Doesn't hurt that he was also a stellar running back in a conference with the best Defenses in the College game.


Well, Ryan Tannyhill played in the Big 12.

What's that?

Shit.

Nevermind.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Triple-S » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:21 pm

Not only did he play against the best defenses that CFB has to offer, but that offense that Saban has installed is very much Big Ten/Pro-Style.

Wouldn't mind Richardson with our first pick, not at all.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:36 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

The Browns scouted both Tanny and Richardson at the same time , but I ask ya whats more impressive a 6'4' 225 QB running a 4.6 or a running back running the prerequisite 4.5 .

Value wise I say take the QB who can throw in a passing league ..

By the time the draft gets here , he;ll no longer be a reach ,, but teams will have to use to trade up to three by then to draft him.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d ... ce=dlvr.it

Put me down for the big athletic QB Cam newton type clone , who needs some seasoning an just happens to be white .

Project this kid in next years College draft , and Barkley ends up carrying his luggage

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This is certainly a lot warmer on him for you than a month ago.

I like his size. I like his athletic ability.

I don't like his passing so much. His arm is plenty strong enough, but hardly a cannon. His accuracy is erratic. His decision-making seems spotty.

There are a lot of guys in the NFL that are 6'4, 225 that run a 4.6. That doesn't mean they should be QB's.

Cam was so successful last year due to his passing ability, much more so than his running. I worry about Tannehill ever getting to even Cam's level, much less the Sooper-Elite.


In a draft that has produced Cam Newton followed By Andrew Luck and RG3 these last 12 months hardly anybody can compare ..

So i decided to look at Tanneyhill from the ground up by himself ..

Yes there are some major holes , decision making being one , but thats due to lack of expereince moreso than him being a dunce .

He can hrow on the run and he has plenty of arm to make every pass .

his throwing motion is hobbled by a three quater delivery he resorts to under heat ,, but he has talent , which has gotten him thru tight spots .

Vs RG3 and that shoddy Baylor defense he amassed 402 passing yards vs a rival so I like his competitiveness.

He's a work in progress but not a Brick head as was the case with DA.

He's compact at that size and tough .

Well worth taking under your wing and redshirting him .

Spring of 2013 you have a better starting prospect than anything projected out of next years draft , and thats the angle I'm coming from .


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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby mattvan1 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:49 pm

peeker643 wrote: Gil Brandt agrees with you, SD: http://bit.ly/GZViq4


Tannehill threw 68 passes in a scripted workout coordinated by Chris Weinke,

Man, if that sentenance doesn't make you quiver, I don't know what will..........

Anyway, love the subplot of renewing the A&M vs. Texas rivalry, in Berea of all places. Hell ya!

Let's use Tannehill as the rebound chick after getting dumped by RG3. Wonder what happens after we spend the next 4 weeks salavating over the guy only to have the "let's get value and trade down" plan backfire as we slide to #6 but then watch the Dolphins move up to #5 by trading with the Bucs to grab him one pick before us.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:58 pm

Just want to drop into the Tannehill discussion how good A&M was in the 1st half this past year and how awful they were in the 2nd half. There were other games too, these are the ones they lost.

9/24: Up on OK St. 20-3 at half; lost 30-29
10/1: Up 35-17 @ Arkansas at half; lost 42-38
10/29: Up on Missouri 28-17 at half; lost 38-31 in OT
11/24: Up on Texas 17-6 at half; lost 27-25

Tannehill was picked off three times in the OKSt and Texas games, 5 of the 6 in the second half.

Now, I'm not saying that it's all Tannehill's fault. A&M may have a subpar coaching staff when it comes to adjustments. But, I can't imagine Tannehill is exempt from all the blame. The running theme of all of those games is that they simply didn't score in the second half.

I know he's inexperienced at the position, has physical tools, and all of that.

I guess I'm basically just throwing this out to see if the consensus is that Tannehill's not experienced enough to make adjustments or comprehend what the defense is doing differently or if it's bad coaching or what.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:59 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote: Gil Brandt agrees with you, SD: http://bit.ly/GZViq4


Tannehill threw 68 passes in a scripted workout coordinated by Chris Weinke,

Man, if that sentenance doesn't make you quiver, I don't know what will..........

Anyway, love the subplot of renewing the A&M vs. Texas rivalry, in Berea of all places. Hell ya!

Let's use Tannehill as the rebound chick after getting dumped by RG3. Wonder what happens after we spend the next 4 weeks salavating over the guy only to have the "let's get value and trade down" plan backfire as we slide to #6 but then watch the Dolphins move up to #5 by trading with the Bucs to grab him one pick before us.


Then you take Richardson and never look back.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:12 pm

Mayock on Path to the Draft, saying Browns should take Tanny at 4, says he's got a stronger arm and is a more natural passer than Luck.

Casserly says too much risk to take at #4.

Billick doesn't think he should be drafted in the Top 10.

Physically, he looks like a less-ugly POS.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Triple-S » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:20 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Mayock on Path to the Draft, saying Browns should take Tanny at 4, says he's got a stronger arm and is a more natural passer than Luck.

Casserly says too much risk to take at #4.

Billick doesn't think he should be drafted in the Top 10.

Physically, he looks like a less-ugly POS.


If he's there at 22 or 37? I may consider it.

4? Fuck no.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:43 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Mayock on Path to the Draft, saying Browns should take Tanny at 4, says he's got a stronger arm and is a more natural passer than Luck.

Casserly says too much risk to take at #4.

Billick doesn't think he should be drafted in the Top 10.

Physically, he looks like a less-ugly POS.


Did Mayock, err, WATCH any real games? Luck is a million times better (and smarter) than Tanny. :gah:

Oh, if they do take him at 4, he MUST start from Gm. One.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:47 pm

On the off chance THIS mock came to fruition, we'd take Kalil, right?
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby mattvan1 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:13 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:On the off chance THIS mock came to fruition, we'd take Kalil, right?


Where are you going to play him? RT? Not sure you want to draft an RT at #4 overall? Plus get ready for a ration of crap from him, his agent, and the NFLPA about drafting the best LT prospect since JT and then playing him at RT so you can pay him less.

Or do you move JT to RT? I would think absolutely not.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby JCoz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:54 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:On the off chance THIS mock came to fruition, we'd take Kalil, right?


Huge trade bait. Big score from someone with Kalil on the board IMO.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:55 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Mayock on Path to the Draft, saying Browns should take Tanny at 4, says he's got a stronger arm and is a more natural passer than Luck.

Casserly says too much risk to take at #4.

Billick doesn't think he should be drafted in the Top 10.

Physically, he looks like a less-ugly POS.


Did Mayock, err, WATCH any real games? Luck is a million times better (and smarter) than Tanny. :gah:

Oh, if they do take him at 4, he MUST start from Gm. One.



SD:

Too be fair Luck was that rare athlete who stayed four years , came back his senior year when he was rated neck and neck with Bradford as the top signal caller in the draft .

Worse he was so stupid his decision cost him at least 25 million in the huge guaranteed bonus they were paying before the CBA , so next to Tannehill who had enough sense to leave when his coach left He's a dunce.

When you compare Lucks four years experience to The kid playing 18 months he can't help but come out short .

But you know what , anybody who can change positions in midstream in this day and age of specialists is a gamer .

Yes he comes up short vs Luck and RG3 who wouldn't , but if you look at his body of work for a kid who has only played the position for 18 months your perspective might change , and its easy to project him doing better with more time if he came along that far in that short of period of time .

Yep he's a puppy on a linoleum floor scrambling for traction , but look at the size of those paws and project him out as a big dog when he fills out ,
then what do you see.

Train him school him and shelf him like Aaron Rodgers , and we could have a kid become as domimant as Rottenberger in this division when he's all filled out.


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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby pup » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:04 pm

If there is one attribute that rarely, if ever, improves once you get into the league it is decision making.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:42 pm

pup wrote:If there is one attribute that rarely, if ever, improves once you get into the league it is decision making.



SD:

Agreed if you come into the league having played a position all your life what has transpired in the past is usually a percursor for future events .

However a person changing positions from wide ou to Qb with only 18 months experience at the position , has to be given some latitude when you look at his mistakes .

Does he learn from them and progress , are they the result of inexperience , or is he a dunce like DA.

If he was a dunce , doubt he could so swiftly master a chane of position , so I rule him being an unfixable dunderhead ala DA out of this equation .

So that leaves lack of expereince , which showed up in the examples on another post where A & M got out to leads and succumbed in the end when ryan would throw and untimely pick allowing the opponnet back in.

So I ask were they dunderheaded gaffes or a kid trying to do too much in a pressure situation he didn't have experience in.

Did the team go into turtle mode after a lead then have to change gears , one stat comes out and credit to the poster who mentioned it .

Tannehill was victimized by 65 drops , thats a stat I was unaware of

Not an excuse for him as those passes could have been off .

However I like that he keeps pitchin vs drops picks setbacks whatever., the mental toughness is there , considering all was accomplished in a change of position from wide out.

Kids a gamer and a good football player , who has the bones to be a damn fine QB .

Rougher than a cob mind ya , but tough with heart and willing to take his lumps .

I can work with that .

4.6 coming off a broken foot ,

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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby pup » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:00 pm

Dude was a QB his entire life. Recruited to A&M as a QB. Lost battle as a freshman and played WR because he is an athlete. Let's not make it sound like he was cocking off one day in practice throwing the ball around and someone said, man this kid can throw let's throw him behind center.

Had we traded up to, we would be lauhging our balls off at Washington or Miami for thinking about taking Tanny in the top 10. Don't let the hate for Colt and the need for a position cloud your head.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:00 am

pup wrote:Dude was a QB his entire life. Recruited to A&M as a QB. Lost battle as a freshman and played WR because he is an athlete. Let's not make it sound like he was cocking off one day in practice throwing the ball around and someone said, man this kid can throw let's throw him behind center.

Had we traded up to, we would be lauhging our balls off at Washington or Miami for thinking about taking Tanny in the top 10. Don't let the hate for Colt and the need for a position cloud your head.


SD:

Between Luck and RG3 , I rated him as not worthy to carry their shoes , still do .

However the kid looked at on his own as a redshirt has value , and because he's not worth three number ones doen't mean he doesn't merit consideration at our pick .

No he is not ready to start and typically you start a QB picked that high , but redshirt him just like the Tits did luck who went 8 and how the Vikes buffered ponder with McNabb, and place him in graduate studies like they did Aaron Rodgers .

Yes we need a QB now , but its short sighted to pass on this kid who admittedly is not ready to start now .

I want him drafted not because we missed on RG3 as some rebound choice .

But because thru training he would be a better starter in 2013 than anything we pick up in next years draft ,with a year of pro experience in this offense under his belt .

He has the size and athletcism and arm to do well in this system and the extra year of coaching and film work would enhance all of that .

I'd rather use our four on him than use two or three to chase Barkley or Wilson next year or draft anybody else and have to go thru a year of growing pains with them , which further sets me back .

Yes he's a reach , but long term value he's a damn good investment and thats more important than worrying about if you took a kid a pick or two too high .

Scarcity alone insures he's a top 8 pick so at this point its like being slightly pregnant .

What the hell is the diffeence if you have to have a guy and he has the talent but you have to sit him

Your better to bite this bullet now , and if your in position next year to do better , Pull a Jimmy Johnson after he chose Walsh and likewise draft your Aikman .

We were gonna spend three #1's to net RG3 , so what if we draft a QB #1 the next three years if thats what it takes .

Get him here .

The guy we need is not on the roster .

Tannehill maynot be him either , but he's a start in the right direction.


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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby pup » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:33 am

You are out of your god damned mind brother.

You don't learnt how to be careful with the football.
You don't learn how to to be NFL accurate.
You don't learn reading defenses and making snap decisions in the NFL.

Those are all talents, not skills.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:07 am

Hikohadon wrote:
Casserly says too much risk to take at #4.

Billick doesn't think he should be drafted in the Top 10.



Well, if you wanted to make an argument FOR Tannyhill, you just did.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:11 am

pup wrote:You are out of your god damned mind brother.

You don't learnt how to be careful with the football.
You don't learn how to to be NFL accurate.
You don't learn reading defenses and making snap decisions in the NFL.

Those are all talents, not skills.



Nailed it.

You can't argue with a crazy man, Pup. SD is the drunk guy at the bar whose struck out with the ladies all night staring at the easy tipsy chubby girl at 1:50 am convincing him self she's the hottie he's been looking to bed all night. He'll never budge that she ain't a dead ringer for Hallie Berry no matter how many facts you lay out.

Just say Daryl Clark.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:24 am

mattvan1 wrote:Plus get ready for a ration of crap from him, his agent, and the NFLPA about drafting the best LT prospect since JT and then playing him at RT so you can pay him less.


That won't matter anymore with the rookie scale. He'll get what he's slotted to get.

But I don't see how you don't get good value for a trade down if Kalil drops to #4.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:23 am

pup wrote:You are out of your god damned mind brother.

You don't learnt how to be careful with the football.
You don't learn how to to be NFL accurate.
You don't learn reading defenses and making snap decisions in the NFL.

Those are all talents, not skills.


SD:

Hey pup , Im not gonna disagree with anything you said .

Despite JB's ramblings , I know this position isn't popular and for good reason .

However I view this team as having no chance until we fill this void .

None .

Thats worth a ten dollar bill on the $half a billion dollar lottery .

We have 13 picks in this draft and no QB .

There are more running backs and receivers , but the closets thing to another QB in this draft is 137 years old , he might not even make it to next year .

Im in favor of spending two picks on the position this year Tanny early then scramble drill to add ofense and fill your holes on defense , and gimme Daryll Clark in the fourth thru Ryan Lindley or Russell Wilson followed by 6 picks at Db's linebackers and whatever can walk and jump at the same time with whats left of those 6th and seventh round compensatory picks .

We can't grow this offense or compete as a team until we handle this position .

I say reach for Tanny and shelf him ..

I didn't say he makes up for Luck or RG3 we missed that boat .

However as a starter in 2013 we're vastly upgraded from where we are now , if he doesn't respond to coaching you revist the pick next year at this time if he does you don't have too .

This kid has the capabilities to make plays and win games , right now you can't say that about anybody else on the roster .

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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:41 am

jb wrote:
pup wrote:You are out of your god damned mind brother.

You don't learnt how to be careful with the football.
You don't learn how to to be NFL accurate.
You don't learn reading defenses and making snap decisions in the NFL.

Those are all talents, not skills.



Nailed it.

You can't argue with a crazy man, Pup. SD is the drunk guy at the bar whose struck out with the ladies all night staring at the easy tipsy chubby girl at 1:50 am convincing him self she's the hottie he's been looking to bed all night. He'll never budge that she ain't a dead ringer for Hallie Berry no matter how many facts you lay out.

Just say Daryl Clark.



SD:

Don't hate , you don't see me snitchin on you for allowing Roseane to make a toilet outta your face .

Tanny hill is now a top 8 choice due to scarcity in this draft .

He' would have been a second round pick in last years draft maybe even have fallen as far as fourth behind Mallet at around where Tyrod talylor was drafted .

Thats how far the mkt dropped off after Luck and RG3 which makes the failed big by the Browns all the more depressing .

Any QB picked in the first round at all after those two is a reach pick , I'm clear on this , and am not making a Luck RG3 knee jerk rebound pick .

The only way we justify that reach is the new CBA doesn't cold cock us so we can do this twice if we have to revisit next year with far less damage than your luv child Timmie cost us to miss on McNabb and the Rickey deal.

With 13 picks pick a second QB 137 year old Weeden if his rusty ass is there in the third but for sure a Lindley or Wilson in the fourth .

The Browns are terrible at doing this .

Passed on Rottenberger and Sanchez and Rodgers and McNabb , traded up for drek like Quinn , and blew the franchise pick in RG3, they might as well go against convention and reach , because they sure as hell fucked up the pick every other way.

This is a 2013 starting choice , not a 2012 opening day starter .

From that perspective this pick makes sense ,

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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:41 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:Plus get ready for a ration of crap from him, his agent, and the NFLPA about drafting the best LT prospect since JT and then playing him at RT so you can pay him less.


That won't matter anymore with the rookie scale. He'll get what he's slotted to get.

But I don't see how you don't get good value for a trade down if Kalil drops to #4.


B/c the Browns (esp. Heckert) love them some tackles. Tom's said so.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:55 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:Plus get ready for a ration of crap from him, his agent, and the NFLPA about drafting the best LT prospect since JT and then playing him at RT so you can pay him less.


That won't matter anymore with the rookie scale. He'll get what he's slotted to get.

But I don't see how you don't get good value for a trade down if Kalil drops to #4.


B/c the Browns (esp. Heckert) love them some tackles. Tom's said so.


Hey, would I mind manning the RT position with a guy that will have a good shot at playing at a Pro Bowl level for the next 6-7 years? Not really.

Not to mention that you have a guy that can actually play LT if - god forbid - something happened to Joe.

Outside of possibly Lauvao, you're set on the line for the next 3-4 years.

The question is more: Is Kalil a RT? Can he be as effective on the right side? Traditionally, RT is more of a run blocker and Kalil is more of a pass blocker. Is that a problem? Is the traditional role of the RT outdated due to the increased passing and pass rush schemes?

But, Kalil, Hill at 22, Miller at 37... yeah, I ain't crying about that.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby pup » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:11 pm

For the cheap seats


Ryan Tannehill being available at 4 does not make him any better of a QB. He is just there. You can hope all you want, a stiff is a stiff and wasting resources because you have extra resources is as stupid as stupid gets.
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:28 pm

pup wrote:For the cheap seats


Ryan Tannehill being available at 4 does not make him any better of a QB. He is just there. You can hope all you want, a stiff is a stiff and wasting resources because you have extra resources is as stupid as stupid gets.



SD:

Yep if he turns into Lady Quinn he's a stiff .

However can you say now he's a stiff , when you knowingly pick him before he's ready to start .

Can you tell me what you see is the finished product you'll see three yeras from now .

Or will he grow as Eli grew from a Jag picked high due to pedigree to someone who must now be considered elite .

Mayock rated his arm as behind RG3's and ahead of Luck , and then gushed that the kid may have true franchise potential , because he can drive the ball .

Yeah its hype , but it ain't all gas .

The kid rehabbed a broken foot in time for his pro day to blister a 4.6 he can throw on the move he's tough big boned and compact at 6'4 not gangly .

The upside s worth the gamble , the downside we already got.


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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby pup » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:19 pm

not at #4 it is not
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:20 pm

WWOD ?

(What would Ozzie Do ?)

Let the draft come to him.

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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:30 pm

Arguing with SD is like being in a battle of wits with a 4 yr old....

There's not a QB who ever walked the face of the earth or stepped on the field that he hasn't "rated" or whose future he cannot predict

If he says Tannehill is worthy of the 3 pick then by God he's worthy and there's no way he'll ever turn into Trent Dildofer

Tannehill is destined to the HoF.....of that you can be sure

Right SD?
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Re: Draft Prospect Reset

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:18 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Arguing with SD is like being in a battle of wits with a 4 yr old....

There's not a QB who ever walked the face of the earth or stepped on the field that he hasn't "rated" or whose future he cannot predict

If he says Tannehill is worthy of the 3 pick then by God he's worthy and there's no way he'll ever turn into Trent Dildofer

Tannehill is destined to the HoF.....of that you can be sure

Right SD?



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Naw , I couldn't tell ya if he hits the ground running right away if you insert him late in the season this year .

But I can make a reasonable theorem based on his ability and skillset and a year of training , I'd prefer his chances over anything coming out in the 2013 draft , especially lady Barkley as my potential starter September of 2013 .


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