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by Jumbo » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:15 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:26 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:31 pm
by Erie Warrior » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:17 pm
Jumbo wrote: At best, he'll bounce between the minors and majors for a few years, sign on as an NRI somewhere, and be 2017's version of Casey Blake.
by skatingtripods » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:18 pm
by idoctribefan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:35 pm
skatingtripods wrote:Love how everyone puts Chisenhall on some fucking pedestal like he's the next big thing.Maybe we should be more concerned that Lonnie Chisenhall couldn't beat Jack Hannahan out for the job. Since, Hannahan sucks so much as some of you have expressed.
by Jumbo » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:59 pm
Casey Blake is infinitely better than Laporta.
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:05 pm
by aclayman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:12 pm
by bookelly » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:24 pm
by motherscratcher » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:34 pm
aclayman wrote:If you're gonna have a "bad" player filling in at third again, it might as well be one of the best defensive third baseman in the game. I know nobody gives a rat's ass about defense in this day and age. But if the guy posts an OBP around the league average (as he did last season) and snags anything and everything hit his way, I'm hardly in riot mode. Of course Chiz projects better, but if we're serious about being a playoff contender now, it's hard to say he would be an upgrade at this moment. Give me the glove.
by peeker643 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:45 pm
motherscratcher wrote:But another way to look at it would be...for the Indians to be contenders, our young position players like Kipnis, Santana, and Chiz need to be what we all hope they are. If we are serious about contending this year, Chiz needs to be on that corner producing at a major league level.
by Erie Warrior » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:52 pm
peeker643 wrote:They're just not contending in the division w/ Hannahan and Duncan getting 750ABs.
by motherscratcher » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:54 pm
Erie Warrior wrote:peeker643 wrote:They're just not contending in the division w/ Hannahan and Duncan getting 750ABs.Nor would they with Chiz probably. But, it's easier to handle when he's young and unproven, and bad. Wait, isn't this there 2 year window? Isn't that why they dealt White and Pomz?
by Erie Warrior » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:00 pm
motherscratcher wrote:They would win 150 games with Chiz probably.probably is the difference
by skatingtripods » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:12 pm
peeker643 wrote:^^^^The entire point.They're just not contending in the division w/ Hannahan and Duncan getting 750ABs.Just.Aren't.
by peeker643 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:22 pm
by jerryroche » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:45 pm
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:19 pm
skatingtripods wrote:peeker643 wrote:^^^^The entire point.They're just not contending in the division w/ Hannahan and Duncan getting 750ABs.Just.Aren't.The Tigers aren't flawless. They have the three biggest names in the division, sure. They have a closer due for regression, no middle relief with Alburquerque on the shelf for a couple months, and the lineup surrounding Cecil and Miggy is nothing special.Why can't Shelley put up the .750 OPS Delmon Young will put up playing everyday?Kipnis + Santana can match one of Fielder/CabreraCabrera + Choo could, possibly, match the other.We don't have a comp for Avila, Boesch, or Peralta, but we also don't know how they'll produce this year. Avila certainly seems to get it, but his BABip of .366 last year is completely unsustainable. He should be closer to .275 or so. Peralta probably overachieved last year and all projections this year put him in the .265-.275 range. Boesch is a wild card.Austin Jackson's an offensive black hole, but a +++ defender.But our middle relief is sound and our rotations virtually cancel out 3-5. Fister's also due for regression based on the defense behind him and his unsustainable WHIP.It'll definitely take some luck and some overachieving from some of our guys, but it's not impossible. If we stay healthy, there's no reason we can't make some noise, even with Hannahan and Duncan getting a lot of PT.This isn't just blind optimism. I've had a lot of time to look things over. The Tigers are flawed. Maybe not as flawed as we are, but they're not untouchable.
by skatingtripods » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:38 pm
by ArtGold » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:06 am
by Spin » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:20 pm
by statmasta » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:58 pm
peeker643 wrote:Just fucking terrific.I am certain that this season is THE season that 32 yr old fucking offensive sieves like Shelley Duncan Jack Fucking Hannahan turn their shitty offensive careers around.And I'm sure Duncan is going to be just tremendous defensively too.You've got to be fucking kidding me. Seriously.You earn every loss you get with shit like that in your lineup.And save the 'ground ball staff, gotta have Hannahan' bullshit. Tons of groundball pitchers in the game that aren't looking at Hannahan in their lineup. I don't usually get all sideways when young kids are sent down, but this is fucking stupid.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:56 pm
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