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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:37 am

For a second I thought it was Joe Namath and Suzi Kolber sitting on that couch.

Lane definitely has some dirty little secret that will come out this season.

Meg seemed to give Don some attitude, I wonder if she has the nerve to pull a Don on him at some point?

...and is there a cooler looking guy when he's drinking than Roger.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:44 am

Good reply I got from a Dish reader this AM ...

Its going to be interesting for sure, I think that Megan's style of crazy is going to be much more "likeable" than Betty's though. I think that it will be very interesting to see how the season progresses. With Don being such a product of the past and having a more 50's outlook on life where as Megan is embracing the swinging sixties more. That tug of war for control vs independence will be something to watch. Could you imagine Betty ever saying "that’s my money and you can't tell me what to do with it" I am surprised Don didn’t stroke out right there even after surviving Zumi Zumi Zu....

Joan & Layne - Spot on

Betty, I think she was out of the premier due to her still being pregnant when it was shot although clearly her plotlines are going to be less important as the kids spend time with, and it is odd to type this, the more stable household of Don and Megan... Looks like there will be some Betty / Henry drama next week. It appears as though Henry knows Don's secret as well, that shouldn't complicate things at all...

Pete and Roger are going to be explosive... The world is passing Roger by and he can't deal with it and Pete can't deal with the fact that his life isn’t what he pictured it to be. A handful of cereal for dinner, things are not looking too good for that relationship.... Oh, and how about telling Peggy to leave Joans baby on a church doorstep... Zing....
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 am

I agree with you on the Peggy character, a great piece to this show. I've said all along that this show is almost as much about her character (and its general representation of a specific type of woman of those times) as it is Don's.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:37 pm

There is a reason that The Suitcase is the best episode of TV possibly ever....

and it is mostly Peggy
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:40 pm

http://www.avclub.com/articles/amc-rele ... -si,71444/

Also, when the hell did that chick fix her teeth? 2011?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:45 pm

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Govbarney » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:26 pm

Take it from a guy who is engaged to a girl 8 years his Junior.
Megan Draper is not crazy, she is just a typical 20yr old girl. But when you contrast that with a mature serious man such as Don , it makes her come off as Crazy.

Now Betty, she has real issues, she is a middle aged woman who has the emotional maturity of a pre-pubescent brat.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:48 pm

swerb wrote:Good reply I got from a Dish reader this AM ...



He/She didn't mention you mixed up the Clippers crazy owner with Rog, did he? May want to get a quick edit in there, Hoss.

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:32 pm

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Re: Mad Men

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:36 pm

I already linked that you schmuk... ;-)
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby olecowboy » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:16 am

you guys sure seem to watch a lot of TV. . .
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:07 am

Why is Y & R in the plot line?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:07 am

Eat me OC
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:41 pm

January Jones ate her placenta.

As to with which wine, I have no idea.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby metalhead9x9 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:19 pm

jb wrote:Why is Y & R in the plot line?


To finally introduce relations into the show's forefront? To display their straightforward racism vs. SCDP's more subtle and implicit form? To show that an SCDP competitor has equally shitty looking offices?

BTW, Roger was on fire with his one-liners. With Lucky Strike gone and his worth in the agency irrelevant, it looks like he's actually giving a shit. Only thing is, he's trying to make it by feeding off of Pete's leg work. The dinosaurs don't know how to matter in the new world.

Oh, and Don likes it kinky. :pb:
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:40 pm

metalhead9x9 wrote:
jb wrote:Why is Y & R in the plot line?


To finally introduce relations into the show's forefront? To display their straightforward racism vs. SCDP's more subtle and implicit form? To show that an SCDP competitor has equally shitty looking offices?



No, there's some foreshadowing going on. I don't know what yet.

But I heard that Y & R was a real firm an that firm secured, get this, the Heinz account via their British office in real life a few months after the time period episode one took place. And didn't Dr. faye give DD/DW the Heinz account as a lead when they were together?

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:15 pm

Betty Draper looks like Baron Davis in a non-contract year.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:12 pm

Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:54 pm

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:50 am

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.


That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:34 am

Such a different dynamic watching this show weekly with commercials as opposed to rapid fire.

Former makes it easier to really analyze and digest what's going on. Latter better for the early season "lulls", as you can just power through em in one night.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:39 pm

Todd at the AV Club is just rocking out these reviews: http://www.avclub.com/articles/tea-leaves,71694/
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:58 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.


That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.


What a hilarious concept.

"We are such amazing writers, the way we set up story lines and character arcs is by having them do NOTHING"

"Yeah, that's a great idea, we can really give the viewer time to analyze and digest the mountain of nothing that's happening."

"How about in this episode Roger gets mad at Pete?"

"Oh snap, Bill, that's a goddamn home run of an idea!"

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:32 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:"We are such amazing writers, the way we set up story lines and character arcs is by having them do NOTHING."

Wad’ja expect? Except for anti-Vietnam riots, Richard Speck's rampage, a few Vietnam massacres, the Hough riots, and James Meredith getting shot, 1966 was a fairly uneventful year.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:34 pm

Well, nothing really has happened in these first three hours, but Weiner has taken us about 20 miles further on character development and laid the ground work for the work issues. Mad Men is written like chess, Weiner puts everything in place and then throws the damn board on the ground, making you have to rebuild it again before he throws it on the ground.

Which, really, is about all you do in any show.

I'd be willing to bet your Game of Thrones last night was rather boring on it's own.... hell it took them three episodes to even start making sense last year.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:50 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Well, nothing really has happened in these first three hours, but Weiner has taken us about 20 miles further on character development and laid the ground work for the work issues. Mad Men is written like chess, Weiner puts everything in place and then throws the damn board on the ground, making you have to rebuild it again before he throws it on the ground.


BAH!

"Written like chess"..... that's a good one. Your description is so the Art Of Art. :nanner:


I'd be willing to bet your Game of Thrones last night was rather boring on it's own.... hell it took them three episodes to even start making sense last year.


I missed it. But GoT kinda has the opposite problem of Mad Men, too many characters and too much going on at points. I never read the books and I have a hard time remembering names and roles.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:02 pm

You're my inspiration for hating MM, e0y.

When you hate something you go full bore with your hate until you have them all pissed at you.

I know.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:42 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
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LakeErieWarriors wrote:Man, I gotta say that was one of the weakest episodes I've ever seen. Every single scene with Betty may as well have been something from the Lifetime channel. I mean there's no way to make the cancer route more entertaining or anything like that, I just think that was a pretty bad idea for a storyline.

As far as everything else, nothing new happened besides 'new guy.' Roger pissed at Pete once again, small rift with Don and Megan, and the Heinz thing just completely fizzled out.

Oh well, can't be great every week; there's nowhere to go but up, and I'm sure it will.


That was a very par for the course early season Mad Men episode, not sure how you can forget people wanting to kill Weiner last year for the fact that he went 3 if not 4 episodes without a single thing happening.

He uses the early season to set up his characters and arcs, it just is the nature of the show. Expect another week or two of it as well.


What a hilarious concept.

"We are such amazing writers, the way we set up story lines and character arcs is by having them do NOTHING"



Hard to argue the approach, one of the best shows of all time (the best show of the 90's) was based solely on that premise.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:49 pm

Baywatch had awesome arcs, DU.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:10 pm

True, but you know which show I was referring to.

If you don't then you're dumber than a couple of dufus' sitting on a coach trying to figure out how to get rich off of glass bottle deposit returns.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:22 pm

No..... I really don't give a shit.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:25 pm

And BTW, comparing the plot of MST3K to Mad Men might be the dumbest shit ever.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:And BTW, comparing the plot of MST3K to Mad Men might be the dumbest shit ever.


MST3K isn't only the greatest show of the 90's, but I'd posit all time...

Movie theater, not couch btw. Sure that was just an FUDU oversight.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:30 pm

::doh::
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:53 pm

Why don't you just say what you're talking about? Instead of us guessing which of the 7,000,000,000,000 shows form the 90's yer talking about.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:00 pm

You're weak & feeble. I'm making you sweat it out.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Todd at the AV Club is just rocking out these reviews: http://www.avclub.com/articles/tea-leaves,71694/

Dude, that was an outstanding review. Never stumbled on that site before. I'll be back.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:55 pm

Yeah. Give @tvoti a follow too. He's the best TV guy on twitter too.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:58 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Todd at the AV Club is just rocking out these reviews: http://www.avclub.com/articles/tea-leaves,71694/


Of course I followed the link and immediately put the MM recap on hold as I clicked the Better Off Ted link.

Goddam do I miss that show. And apparently there are 2 episodes that never ran on TV. Cool.

ok, carry on with Mad Men.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:16 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Todd at the AV Club is just rocking out these reviews: http://www.avclub.com/articles/tea-leaves,71694/


Of course I followed the link and immediately put the MM recap on hold as I clicked the Better Off Ted link.

Goddam do I miss that show. And apparently there are 2 episodes that never ran on TV. Cool.

ok, carry on with Mad Men.



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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:19 pm

Todd's my favorite guy out there, I read all of his Mad Men and Community stuff.

The AV Club is my favorite in general and Todd the best of them (he'll be doing all Mad Men reviews for em this year).
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:35 am

I'm almost positive the young girl that Don was talking to at the Stones concert was the daughter of the Heinz guy.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:44 am

That was my assumption, but it feels a bit cheesy who knows.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:36 pm

He's got the Betty symbolism wrong. The song was about Betty never growing up and her relationship to Don still, who she reached out to for reassurance when she thought she had cancer. Not Henry, who is an increasingly failed surrogate as Betty crashes into fatsville (until the inevitable speed addiction that Ray Charles can see coming)..

"Say what you always say."

Present tense. Tells you all you need to know.

Not a damn thing to do with Sally.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:52 pm

^ yep.

This is all about Betty, and her need for Don in her life in some way shape or form. While boring as fuck this little story line just keeps the door open for them to have Don & Betty back together at some point, even if just a one nighter. In the least it keeps the audience guessing about the future for those two.

If things don't work out the way Don wants with Megan he knows who is one phone call away.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:12 pm

When Betty starts beating Sally again next week you both will be wrong.

This show is going to push Sally's youth movement more and more and her strength will be every single bit as important as Don and Betty, if not more so. They started this last year (a lot). She kept losing her battles with Betty last year, that is going to stop.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Sea Foam Green » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:18 pm

Slightly OT here, but I just caught up on the new season.

In the premiere Don turns 40, and mentions that Dick Whitman turned 40 6 months ago.

I found this odd, because in the flashback to Korea, I thought Don was with an older engineer when he was digging the trench and the engineer got blown up. I had thought that guy was the actual Don Draper. They never told us, but he seemed to look much older than Dick Whitman.

Is my understanding of the real Don Draper incorrect?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:23 pm

Betty can beat Sally (and she will), it doesn't mean it has much if anything to do with the news of cancer, and her seeking for Don's comfort or anything else.

Betty's issues in part come from her childhood.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:28 pm

FUDU wrote:Betty can beat Sally (and she will), it doesn't mean it has much if anything to do with the news of cancer, and her seeking for Don's comfort or anything else.

Betty's issues in part come from her childhood.



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