peeker643 wrote:mattvan1 wrote:EOD it's 9-23.
No argument there.
Question- Replace Shurmur with Fox tonight. How relevant is agent issue then? How much of a data point?
See, my issue is both were available when one was chosen. It has nothing to do with clique. It has to do with what can only be described as a shitty decision (and one you were right about when it went down).
But switch 'em. Change anything?
Sub in Jon Gruden for Shurmur if ya want. Still an agent discussion here? Is it still a symptom/data point?
Valid points. Not sure Fox was on the radar at all - no WCO, D minded guy and all that. Dude did make the playoffs with Tim Tebow at QB, so I'll give him some props. An improvemnt over Shurmur, but not by a lot.
Gruden would have been a dumster fire, but far more entertaining on the sidelines and at pressers than Shurmur. Same record, but more fun.
So yes, at this point a combo of Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, and Chuck Knoll probably couldn't squeeze 8 wins outta this crew.
I am starting to wonder if the game has passed Holmgren by. That he is clutching to a blueprint (WCO, hire your buds, build only through the draft) that no longer works. It's tremendously frustrating, as you look at the pedigree and add Heckert and wonder why it just doesn't work. Sometimes shit gets invented as a rationalization for another season down the toilet. "Of course the guy sucks - he let his agent pick the new HC"
Of course I can see how specious my reasoning seems - had Holmgren landed RGIII I would be first in line to kiss his ass.