Cleveland Browns & The NFL

by **skatingtripods** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:49 pm

Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely.

Sean Payton full year suspension.

Per PFT on Twitter.

Couldn't find a thread, if there was one, so the mods can merge this if they know where it is.

by **Ziner** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:51 pm

Rog doesnt mess around. A full year for Peyton. That's rough.

by **e0y2e3** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:53 pm

Fuckin cocksucker Goodell.

by **Hikohadon** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:59 pm

Dag! A whole year is throwing the hammer down.

The players involved are gonna be scared shitless now.

by **e0y2e3** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:00 pm

Way more than just that hiko, 2012 and 2013 second rounders, assistant coach gone six games, another gone eight and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fines.

by **Hikohadon** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Way more than just that hiko, 2012 and 2013 second rounders, assistant coach gone six games, another gone eight and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fines.

Glad Goodell's not my dad. I never would've left the house.

by **e0y2e3** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:08 pm

nevermind, I lied, GM got eight games, the third suspension was the assistant coach for six.

by **peeker643** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:24 pm

You realize that this is simple fear over future litigation by whistle blowing players/ victims? League needs a defense. "Look how harshly we handled it when we heard about it."

There's the defense. This is played safety 101 with concussions and bounties as loss leaders. I dig the questions as to why Hoodie didn't get suspension but this is direct Charles Bronson shit.

by **Gradysmanldy** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:48 pm

Best question everyone has revolves around evil Genius and his wrist slap. Goddell loses any objectivity when the punishments are so disparate. Terrible job on this.

by **andrew6586** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:50 pm

Totally fine with this punishment and you could make the case that it is too light. Trying to intentionally hurt players in this day and age is just about the worst thing someone could do seeing as how so much time has been dedicated to player safety.

by **skatingtripods** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:51 pm

Here's the PFT article of what the NFL found during their investigation.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... iscipline/

by **andrew6586** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:53 pm

Also, I find it interesting that no players were punished. Perhaps it's because they couldn't prove one particular person did anything wrong. Maybe they will release those penalties next. Who knows.

by **e0y2e3** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:54 pm

^ clearly never stepped on a football field

by **Hikohadon** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:59 pm

andrew6586 wrote:Also, I find it interesting that no players were punished. Perhaps it's because they couldn't prove one particular person did anything wrong. Maybe they will release those penalties next. Who knows.

The NFLPA asked to be allowed to do their own investigation before the NFL handed down the player punishments, and the NFL complied. The player punishments are still coming, and if the NFLPA finds the players in question did indeed try to injure other players as part of this bounty thing, I'd almost guarantee the NFLPA will throw those players under the NFL bus.

by **andrew6586** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:02 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:^ clearly never stepped on a football field

How does that prove anything? How do you decipher between a good clean hard tackle and an intentional hard tackle? Unless there are tons of helmet to helmet contacts or a money trail they can't prove much. Someone would have to squeal.

by **andrew6586** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:03 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
andrew6586 wrote:Also, I find it interesting that no players were punished. Perhaps it's because they couldn't prove one particular person did anything wrong. Maybe they will release those penalties next. Who knows.

The NFLPA asked to be allowed to do their own investigation before the NFL handed down the player punishments, and the NFL complied. The player punishments are still coming, and if the NFLPA finds the players in question did indeed try to injure other players as part of this bounty thing, I'd almost guarantee the NFLPA will throw those players under the NFL bus.

Thanks and you're probably right. The NFLPA will probably set down some serious penalties.

by **peeker643** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:05 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:^ clearly never stepped on a football field

Interested to see when all other 30 teams that do this shit will called onto carpet.

You want to stop it then fine. But it could have been before now by threatening this type of action.

The problem is that will not play as well in a court room as this over reaction will.

The normal citizen/soccer mom/blue collar worker on a civil jury will suck this up. Best part for NFL is it doesn't league a penny to set up their future defense this way.

Genius.

by **Sea Foam Green** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:12 pm

Agreed. I'll know the fix is in for sure when the NFL/NFLPA throws some of these guys under the bus, but continues to let James Harrison play.

by **Bayou Tribe** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:11 pm

What just happened? About 3 hours ago, I felt a brush of wind over the back of my head, contact, and I'm just waking up now. Did anyone else feel that? What happened, why is everyone here upset now. Where's.... what's.... who did.....

by **peeker643** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:24 pm

Jeremy Shockey being 'outed' by Warren Sapp as the snitch?

This is getting good.

Both have twitter accounts and are in full scale "The U/Swag" mode.

by **Ziner** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:26 pm

This is going to get awesome.

by **peeker643** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:37 pm

Ziner wrote:This is going to get awesome.

No wonder Toomer hated on him the other day.

And the pissing contest they were in was classic too. Check Shockey's timeline from 3/15 or 3/16.

Shockey criticized Toomer for loafing on the play that broke his leg and then said Toomer pissed on his ex-wife's clothes. :thumb up:

Fucking 10-yr olds.

by **JCoz** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:40 pm

peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:^ clearly never stepped on a football field

Interested to see when all other 30 teams that do this shit will called onto carpet.

You want to stop it then fine. But it could have been before now by threatening this type of action.

The problem is that will not play as well in a court room as this over reaction will.

The normal citizen/soccer mom/blue collar worker on a civil jury will suck this up. Best part for NFL is it doesn't league a penny to set up their future defense this way.

Genius.

Pretty sure they did 2 years ago, Goddell is kind of looking at this as willful infringement, triple the penalties. I have no sympathy for the Saints. Bonuses for "cartoffs".... Cool policy bro. It's their fault for not killin it two years ago when they were told. Of course you are right in that this has CYA all over it, but so what?

by **leadpipe** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:58 pm

I think what what Beli did, everyone did at one time or another - hell that's why practice security is so tight. Problem - got caught.

I think what the Saints did, everyone's done at one time or another - hell, how many former players have come out and said such. Problem - got caught.

The main differences I see are that apparently the commish had handed down warnings, told them to cut it out. And in this sense I'm not sure I blame Rajahhh for being heavy handed. Don't lie to the boss.

Of course the other end of this is the alarming rate they are trying to clean up and soften the violent edge on the sport to avoid lawsuits, and more importantly to them, get the 18 game schedule passed.

Best thing about this is not having to watch Gregg Williams this year. Most overrated a coordinator there ever was. Every announcer with "Look at that aggressive Gregg Williams defense...." Yeah Gregg, me and my mom know you're blitzing every time, pretty sure the other side of the field knows as well, that's why you haven't stopped many people in years.

by **e0y2e3** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:50 pm

I feel you lead but Payton was just essentially fined $7MM and told he can't do his job.

The GM was told he can't do his job for half a season and fined $500K.

The assistant coach lost six games of salary.

The franchise itself lost two prime draft picks.

There is punishing and then there is trying to destroy someone.

by **FUDU** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:05 pm

If Wyatt Earp is going to swing a hammer it might as well be the heaviest one he's got. When you're trying to set precedent stop lollygagging around and set the god damn precedent already.

by **leadpipe** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:00 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I feel you lead but Payton was just essentially fined $7MM and told he can't do his job.

The GM was told he can't do his job for half a season and fined $500K.

The assistant coach lost six games of salary.

The franchise itself lost two prime draft picks.

There is punishing and then there is trying to destroy someone.

I hear you as well. You could make a case that the above, plus Brees' age, has essentially ended an era for Saints football. Probably go thru a rebuild before they are in the position they've been the last several years again.

Which is ridiculously harsh.

At the end of the day, they got caught at the worst possible time in league history for this offense.

by **peeker643** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:49 pm

JCoz wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:^ clearly never stepped on a football field

Interested to see when all other 30 teams that do this shit will called onto carpet.

You want to stop it then fine. But it could have been before now by threatening this type of action.

The problem is that will not play as well in a court room as this over reaction will.

The normal citizen/soccer mom/blue collar worker on a civil jury will suck this up. Best part for NFL is it doesn't league a penny to set up their future defense this way.

Genius.

Pretty sure they did 2 years ago, Goddell is kind of looking at this as willful infringement, triple the penalties. I have no sympathy for the Saints. Bonuses for "cartoffs".... Cool policy bro. It's their fault for not killin it two years ago when they were told. Of course you are right in that this has CYA all over it, but so what?

Just saying this entire thing is a result of litigation that hasn't even been filed yet. Not for this anyway. But it'll come into discussion and discovery when the Duerson trials go forth and it will come up when next Bounty suit is served.

This was a non issue when concussions were just getting your bell rung and everyone was throwing $20 in the helmet to be paid to the guy who broke Tittle's nose.

Stakes are higher, money is bigger. NFL will wear this "Hammer" as a shield to show all they're doing to ensure safety and fair play. Proactive move with other people's money, livelihood and reputation.

And those who were dumbest about it or didn't take it seriously enough are paying dearly.

by **pup** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:31 am

The Payton part is 100% tied to everything else he has been associated with since becoming a HC in NO.

by **mattvan1** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:52 am

peeker643 wrote: Just saying this entire thing is a result of litigation that hasn't even been filed yet. Not for this anyway. But it'll come into discussion and discovery when the Duerson trials go forth and it will come up when next Bounty suit is served.

Spot on. The big picture.

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:53 am

pup wrote:The Payton part is 100% tied to everything else he has been associated with since becoming a HC in NO.

Well then I am eagerly awaiting Rex Ryan's $7MM fine for being a general cocksucker and having players state they are trying to hurt people multiple times.

by **fundamentals** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:29 am

I think the punishment is based on the fact that it would appear Mista Payton and company lied and lied more than once about what was going on. Repeatingly misleading the NFL is going to cause you some punishment. Cue Bart Scott with my desire to read emails and correspondences eminating from Payton, Williams, etc.......Can't Wait.

The players who were a part of this have to be :thud:

with impending sanctions coming.

Sidebar: Did Jimmy Graham get paid for taking out Payton's leg last year? Was that a bounty hit? :hide:

by **Hikohadon** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:08 pm

Drew Brees' tweet:

I am speechless. Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment.

Dear Drew,

Here's your explanation:

Shut the fuck up.

Sincerely,

Roger Goodell

by **pup** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:14 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
pup wrote:The Payton part is 100% tied to everything else he has been associated with since becoming a HC in NO.

Well then I am eagerly awaiting Rex Ryan's $7MM fine for being a general cocksucker and having players state they are trying to hurt people multiple times.

As soon as they question Ryan on this, tell the ownership to make it end if it was happening, get told it is taken care of then they find a paper trail existing over 3 years that it is still happening, and part of it is taking out key opponents...you will.

As long as Rex has a history of allowing/promoting/participating in Vicodin abuse.
As long as Rex has someone as his right hand man that he is told is bad news and should be kept away from teams who is found to have paid a bounty on an individual.
As long as Rex has a former FBI agent sue the Jets for being fired, an part of the reason he was fired is he found out about the Vicodin and bounties.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:16 pm

https://twitter.com/#!/JeremyShockey/st ... 64/photo/1 Shockey working hard to surpass Tiki as douchiest ex-Giant.

by **Hikohadon** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:22 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/JeremyShockey/status/182874403971928064/photo/1 Shockey working hard to surpass Tiki as douchiest ex-Giant.

It's encouraging to see that an NFL Head Coach that gets paid millions doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you are".

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:33 pm

Hikohadon wrote:It's encouraging to see that an NFL Head Coach that gets paid millions doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you are".

Assuming its real. Who signs off when texting? Who stores people's names in their phones with their title?

by **Hikohadon** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:37 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:It's encouraging to see that an NFL Head Coach that gets paid millions doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you are".

Assuming its real. Who signs off when texting? Who stores people's names in their phones with their title?

True. My Twitter knowledge is admittedly low.

by **OldDawg** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:12 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Drew Brees' tweet:

I am speechless. Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment.

Dear Drew,

Here's your explanation:

Shut the fuck up.

Sincerely,

Roger Goodell

Dear Drew,
I hear you.
Sincerely
Jim Tressel

by **OldDawg** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:17 pm

You guys are saying a one year suspension is too harsh. I'm surprised he wasn't just canned. I mean, I don't care what kind of coach or guy he is. His crime and cover up far exceeded tatoo-gate. I mean, in this day and age, you are giving bonuses to guys for knocking people out of a game? And then you are investigated for it and warned. And it still continues. Then you are investigated again and you still cover it up.

C'mon. ALL OF THOSE GUYS COULD HAVE BEEN CANNED FOREVER. If you and I did something as egregious as that in our jobs, we wouldn't have a chance.

Edit: I mean, we're not talking about rewarding a guy for sacks or tackles for a loss.

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:40 pm

This is nowhere near the same level at Tat-Gate.

Tat-Gate = covering for children under your care.

This = what ever single football player at every level does

by **pup** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:42 pm

Every football player goes out and attempts to take out the opposing team's best player every game? Really?

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:53 pm

pup wrote:Every football player goes out and attempts to take out the opposing team's best player every game? Really?

If they don't they probably don't make it.

You try to hurt the guy accross from you on the field, period.

And it's pretty much confirmed most of the NFL has these fake little bounty programs.

This is an issue, but it is not a near death blow to a franchise level issue.

Find me tape of the guy grabbing a QB on the ground a twisting his leg just to blow an ACL and then you have an issue. But trying to legally hit someone in a means that takes them out is reality, period.

by **OldDawg** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:59 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:This is nowhere near the same level at Tat-Gate.

Tat-Gate = covering for children under your care.

This = what ever single football player at every level does

Its worse than tatoo gate
1) Paying people to hurt people... not tackle them... to hurt them badly. To render them incapacitated.
2) The behavior was by the coaches. OSU Coaches didn't tell kids where to go get free tats. They didn't tell kids to sell their rings. They told them not to. Tats happened outside of their domain. Saints actually committed and initiated these "crimes." Bucks failed to police off-field behavior.
3) Cover-up at NO was worse than cover-up at OSU. Multiple investigations. Multiple warnings. Multiple denials. Behavior continued BY the coaches. Not by the TATOO guy.

by **OldDawg** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:01 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
pup wrote:Every football player goes out and attempts to take out the opposing team's best player every game? Really?

If they don't they probably don't make it.

You try to hurt the guy accross from you on the field, period.

And it's pretty much confirmed most of the NFL has these fake little bounty programs.

This is an issue, but it is not a near death blow to a franchise level issue.

Find me tape of the guy grabbing a QB on the ground a twisting his leg just to blow an ACL and then you have an issue. But trying to legally hit someone in a means that takes them out is reality, period.

But you don't get paid bonuses by coaches to do that.

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:10 pm

Half of the NFL does.

Coaches are on a equal level to players as professional members of the league, this is up there with me taking bets on whether or not I could knock a kid out cold in high school from my buddies and the D-line coach knowing about it.

It is football.

And again, it should be punished when caught by Daddy, the punishment is what is insanity.

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:11 pm

OldDawg wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:This is nowhere near the same level at Tat-Gate.

Tat-Gate = covering for children under your care.

This = what ever single football player at every level does

Its worse than tatoo gate
1) Paying people to hurt people... not tackle them... to hurt them badly. To render them incapacitated.
2) The behavior was by the coaches. OSU Coaches didn't tell kids where to go get free tats. They didn't tell kids to sell their rings. They told them not to. Tats happened outside of their domain. Saints actually committed and initiated these "crimes." Bucks failed to police off-field behavior.
3) Cover-up at NO was worse than cover-up at OSU. Multiple investigations. Multiple warnings. Multiple denials. Behavior continued BY the coaches. Not by the TATOO guy.

Again coaches are co-professionals in the NFL.

They have no responsibility to be dad or mom.

Jim Tressel knew his kids violated the law, kids he is responsible for that are not paid and are students. That makes it 100x worse. This is undeniable.

It's the key difference between even coaching in the NFL v. the NCAA.

by **OldDawg** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:28 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
OldDawg wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:This is nowhere near the same level at Tat-Gate.

Tat-Gate = covering for children under your care.

This = what ever single football player at every level does

Its worse than tatoo gate
1) Paying people to hurt people... not tackle them... to hurt them badly. To render them incapacitated.
2) The behavior was by the coaches. OSU Coaches didn't tell kids where to go get free tats. They didn't tell kids to sell their rings. They told them not to. Tats happened outside of their domain. Saints actually committed and initiated these "crimes." Bucks failed to police off-field behavior.
3) Cover-up at NO was worse than cover-up at OSU. Multiple investigations. Multiple warnings. Multiple denials. Behavior continued BY the coaches. Not by the TATOO guy.

Again coaches are co-professionals in the NFL.

They have no responsibility to be dad or mom.

Jim Tressel knew his kids violated the law, kids he is responsible for that are not paid and are students. That makes it 100x worse. This is undeniable.

It's the key difference between even coaching in the NFL v. the NCAA.

So the fact that they were investigated and warned (and they denied and then covered up) prior to this does not bear on your logic here?

by **Sea Foam Green** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:35 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:This is nowhere near the same level at Tat-Gate.

Tat-Gate = covering for what every single big time college player does.

This = Covering for what ever single football player at every level does

Fixed that.

Neither got in trouble for the actions of the players, they both got what they got for knowing about it and continually lying about it. The crime is the same.

[If you're just being sarcastic because of the reaction to your LBJ/Tebow comparison, I get it and I'm sorry I didn't pick up on it]

by **e0y2e3** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:40 pm

No, again, I SAID THE SAINTS SHOULD BE PUNISHED.

Jim Tressel was responsible for amateur athletes.

How effin hard is this to understand.

I'm glad everyone did it, he got caught and he got caught letting KIDS HE OWNED cheat.

These guys got caught, instead of a fair punishment the NFL tried to kill the entire org for a year and did kill the coach for a year. And again, these are co-professionals, no one is caring for amateur athletes here.

Fucking christ I hate homers.

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