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by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:49 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:16 pm
by swerb » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:46 pm
by BruceK » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:57 pm
by dmiles » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:57 pm
BruceK wrote:Tristan Thompson just put up 27 points and 12 boards against the Nets
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:11 am
by jerryroche » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:28 am
dmiles wrote:Additionally I'm trying hard but just can't think or don't know a broad enough spectrum of players but... are there cases where a guy came into the league with no shot at all and was able to develop one? I don't mean a shaky shot that you improve working with a guru, I mean a guy who could barely hit the glass from 17 feet.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:38 am
by aclayman » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:49 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:53 am
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:37 am
aclayman wrote:Not sure it's completely fair to say that Hickson's potential was a hallucination brought on solely by LeBronitus. In 80 games last season as a regular-- admittedly on a historically shitty team with few other weapons-- he put up 14 points and 9 boards a game. This is not the production of a Shawnelle Scott sort of bum. Hickson's shooting percentage did drop a ton last year, but that's because he was no longer just waltzing in for a few minutes of lob passes. In 2011, he had to occasionally try to create shots and wound up shooting 46%. Nonetheless, looked like a solid rebounder, raw athlete, confused defender, and bad jump shooter (though far superior to Tristan)... a 23 year-old work in progress. The fact that he is now deemed the LESSER part of an Omri Casspi swap is hard to even fathom, considering how completely useless that dude has been. Everybody loses!
by aclayman » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:08 am
by Prosecutor » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:40 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:33 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:38 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:45 am
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:13 am
aclayman wrote:Oh I wasn't playing Ferry defender at all. I would have been more than happy to ship the kid off before the deadline in 2010. My only point was that, as a 22 year old, he did produce last season after LeBron had already departed-- so I didn't subscribe to the theory that he was purely an LBJ creation. We're agreed that anybody who saw Hickson becoming a star would be nuts, but a decent 6th man type? Why not? If you really did see his immediate downfall coming, I give you all the credit. It would have been hard to foresee a team as bad as Sacramento finding no use in the guy.
by motherscratcher » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:15 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:24 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:46 am
leadpipe wrote:This was a guy that reportedly Ferry didn't want to offer up in trades cause he was too valuable.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:52 am
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:54 am
Prosecutor wrote:Well, now we know what TT's problem is. They were playing him out of position - he's a center!!Too bad the trade deadline passed, we could have traded Andy. OK, seriously, no way TT puts up 27 in his second career start if Brook Lopez isn't hurt. TT took advantage of his backup. This game was a fluke. Still, now that TT is getting 35 minutes a game instead of 16, he's starting to figure out a thing or two. I just wonder if all the TT haters are getting a little nervous that he might turn into a consistent double-double guy with starter's minutes at PF next year.Lotta raging egos majorly invested in that not happening. But don't worry. As long as he can't knock down that 17' jumper, he can't be any good, right? As for JJ, he's probably on the phone to LeBron right now.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:56 am
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:58 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:03 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:05 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:07 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Interestingly Ferry went into that draft with a giant boner for Hibbert.Hibbert didn't fall as far as Ferry had hoped and he reacted by taking the lowest realized of the raw projects mentioned by Madre.I wanted nothing to do with Hibbert, which was admittedly me being stupid because as quickly as the preseason of his rookie year he showed serious around the rim defensive prowess and everything else has just kept developing.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:13 pm
by pup » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:12 pm
by Prosecutor » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:02 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: if I were trying to demonstrate a high level all-star PF/C that isn't ever going to be of the MVP variety I would go with this: http://www.hoopdata.com/splits.aspx?pla ... &year=2011^ is what you should be getting at least close to when drafting a PF in the top five.Cousins: http://www.hoopdata.com/splits.aspx?player=DeMarcus Cousins
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:12 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:16 pm
by Ziner » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:25 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:28 pm
by pup » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:31 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:02 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:09 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:35 pm
by Prosecutor » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:46 pm
How come no one ever figures out that you shouldn't extrapolate minutes out like that because the reason that someone ain't getting those minutes in the first place is becase they aren't as deserving of 30 minutes a game.That's what I don't get.
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:02 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:21 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:31 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:35 pm
by OldDawg » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:43 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:51 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:55 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:55 pm
OldDawg wrote:I have told eye in another thread that I am not following the Cavs closely this year...Two words:JonasValanciunasSorry...I am still upset. I hope I am wrong in the long run.Ping pong balls. My kingdom for ping pong balls.
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:56 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:You know the scene in Pi where the guy pushes the drill through his head:(in case if you were wondering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatFF37gSBo <- NSFW)That was almost me when I tried to read that post.You win Peeker, you bold evil genius you.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:03 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:12 pm
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