2012 NFL Free Agency

[Triple-S]

so richardson or blackmon with the 4th?

[Gradysmanldy]

3/16 for Patterson is better than what Eazy E pulled from Tampa, and i'm 100% sure he's a better CB, at least based on last years body of evidence.

Bet he starts this year, with Brown at the nickel/safety and Skrine rotating in.

[JCoz]

3/16 for Patterson is better than what Eazy E pulled from Tampa, and i'm 100% sure he's a better CB, at least based on last years body of evidence.

Bet he starts this year, with Brown at the nickel/safety and Skrine rotating in.

This is what I was wondering, I'm not familiar with the current costs of a nickelback but its hard to believe you'd pay 5+ million a year for a part time defensive starter.

[JCoz]

Browns picked up another Lineman Juqua Parker, 1 year 3 mil. Was a backup for Philly last season.

[Hikohadon]

Citing a league source, the Plain Dealer is reporting that the Browns have re-signed free agent CB Dimitri Patterson to a three-year deal totaling $16 million ($6 million guaranteed). Patterson was used primarily in the nickel last year, but will likely start in 2012, with Sheldon Brown moving to safety.

Team president Mike Holmgren told season ticket holders the Browns will probably use their three picks in the top 37 for offensive weapons, according to the Plain Dealer. He added that he will discourage GM Tom Heckert from trading down from No. 4. Heckert dealt the No. 6 pick in 2011, which Atlanta used to snag WR Julio Jones.

Sounds like Blackmon at #4 to me.

I actually think they SHOULD trade down if they can.

[JCoz]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Sweeeeeeeet!

Who the hell is going to get him the ball?

Trade down.

[Hikohadon]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

If they truly do go Offense with the first 3, then it has to be some combination of WR/RB/QB/OL. If they don't trade down from 4, then one of Blackmon, Richardson, Tannehill, and Kalil is a Brown.

I can deal with the popular notion that they should just go WR/RB/OL and deal with the QB position later (somehow - how is very vague). Also fine with Weeden at 37.

[peeker643]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

Maybe just effing with ST Louis at this point. Seems he's a bit pissed.

Remember they had no interest in trading up for RGIII

I think that was right as they were offering 3 #1s

[JCoz]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

Remember they had no interest in trading up for RGIII

I think that was right as they were offering 3 #1s

What are you referencing there? I never said they didn't have interest in trading up I said they wanted to but would fail.

[e0y2e3]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

You are the only person in America that favors Floyd, he of constantly dropping draft position since about Sept, to Blackmon.

[JCoz]

You confused when you threw in a wink wink with your sarcastic shot that statement.

[JCoz]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

You are the only person in America that favors Floyd, he of constantly dropping draft position since about Sept, to Blackmon.

I might be the only one that favors floyd, but you are wrong on the rest, he's top ten now in the mocks I've been looking at since the combine.

[peeker643]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

Remember they had no interest in trading up for RGIII

I think that was right as they were offering 3 #1s

What are you referencing there? I never said they didn't have interest in trading up I said they wanted to but would fail.

General statement. Saying they could be messing with Rams who they feel effed them on RGIII trade. Can't trust what anyone says as Heckert said day before RGIII trade that Browns weren't looking to move up. But that wasn't true and neither might this be.

You're a defensive chap.

[Hikohadon]

Lie, truth, who cares? I always assume Front Office types are lying. It's part of their job. You'd offend too many people/give away your plans.

He should've lied and said they weren't willing to give all those picks up. At least then it was their choice, not they got out-bid in a blind auction or screwed over by STL b/c of Fisher & Shanahan's friendship, either of which makes them look somewhat incompetent.

[pup]

Lie, truth, who cares? I always assume Front Office types are lying. It's part of their job. You'd offend too many people/give away your plans.

He should've lied and said they weren't willing to give all those picks up. At least then it was their choice, not they got out-bid in a blind auction or screwed over by STL b/c of Fisher & Shanahan's friendship, either of which makes them look somewhat incompetent.

You cannot believe that. The cleanest way is to act like you did everything in your power and got screwed over. Then you could get on a conference call with your season ticket holders and convince them you are doing whatever you can, but the entire world has conspired to make sure you cannot be successful .

[Hikohadon]

Lie, truth, who cares? I always assume Front Office types are lying. It's part of their job. You'd offend too many people/give away your plans.

He should've lied and said they weren't willing to give all those picks up. At least then it was their choice, not they got out-bid in a blind auction or screwed over by STL b/c of Fisher & Shanahan's friendship, either of which makes them look somewhat incompetent.

You cannot believe that. The cleanest way is to act like you did everything in your power and got screwed over. Then you could get on a conference call with your season ticket holders and convince them you are doing whatever you can, but the entire world has conspired to make sure you cannot be successful .

I can and I do.

Most people seem like they agree with you - they are comforted somewhat by the fact that the Browns at least tried. They are further mollified by STL being evil nepotism-ers.

I'm not a fan that they're portraying themselves as victims. I would prefer that the Browns were in control of the situation and made the decision themselves and are ready to live with the consequences or lack thereof.

"We decided the price was too high and walked away."

That way, if RG3 sucks, they look like genuises. But with their story, they either look like guys that can't get their shit done if RG3 is good or guys that got really lucky if RG3 sucks.

I have absolutely no problem with H&H being imperious and arrogant and telling fans "We're going to do things the way we want and we don't care how you feel about it"... as long as they're right.

[pup]

Lie, truth, who cares? I always assume Front Office types are lying. It's part of their job. You'd offend too many people/give away your plans.

He should've lied and said they weren't willing to give all those picks up. At least then it was their choice, not they got out-bid in a blind auction or screwed over by STL b/c of Fisher & Shanahan's friendship, either of which makes them look somewhat incompetent.

You cannot believe that. The cleanest way is to act like you did everything in your power and got screwed over. Then you could get on a conference call with your season ticket holders and convince them you are doing whatever you can, but the entire world has conspired to make sure you cannot be successful .

I can and I do.

Most people seem like they agree with you - they are comforted somewhat by the fact that the Browns at least tried. They are further mollified by STL being evil nepotism-ers.

I'm not a fan that they're portraying themselves as victims. I would prefer that the Browns were in control of the situation and made the decision themselves and are ready to live with the consequences or lack thereof.

"We decided the price was too high and walked away."

That way, if RG3 sucks, they look like genuises. But with their story, they either look like guys that can't get their shit done if RG3 is good or guys that got really lucky if RG3 sucks.

I have absolutely no problem with H&H being imperious and arrogant and telling fans "We're going to do things the way we want and we don't care how you feel about it"... as long as they're right.

Now that is something we agree on.

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

[Hikohadon]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

[pup]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

Isn't your grade the accumulation of all those quizzes and tests? I see no reason to have their grade calculated on only the latest, but as an overall. And that grade is real bad.

[Hikohadon]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

Isn't your grade the accumulation of all those quizzes and tests? I see no reason to have their grade calculated on only the latest, but as an overall. And that grade is real bad.

Of course their grade is the accumulation. But just because their overall grade is a D doesn't mean that I don't bother to grade their next test.

[pup]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

Isn't your grade the accumulation of all those quizzes and tests? I see no reason to have their grade calculated on only the latest, but as an overall. And that grade is real bad.

Of course their grade is the accumulation. But just because their overall grade is a D doesn't mean that I don't bother to grade their next test.

But if that next test is another D at some point you can stop grading those tests.

[Hikohadon]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

Isn't your grade the accumulation of all those quizzes and tests? I see no reason to have their grade calculated on only the latest, but as an overall. And that grade is real bad.

Of course their grade is the accumulation. But just because their overall grade is a D doesn't mean that I don't bother to grade their next test.

But if that next test is another D at some point you can stop grading those tests.

Then it's probably a good thing you're not a teacher.

[SoulDawg74]

I just don't think they are close enough to be right enough so far to cut them any slack. They are at this point inept as a group. When they get better at their jobs, I will be the first to say so.

Fair enough.

The way I see it is that their overall performance is like a class, and each decision is a quiz or test.

Some tests they fail. Some they don't. But no tests should be graded based upon how they did on the previous test(s). It's unfair to them and doesn't allow for the (fading) possibility that they can bring their grade up before the semester ends.

And it's certainly unfair to grade them based upon how other students did in previous years.

I had a professor once who didn't speak English very well and thought I insulted him with something I said in class (which I did not, at least not to his face). After that, it didn't matter what I did, he was killing my grade.

Don't be that no-English-speaking bastage.

Isn't your grade the accumulation of all those quizzes and tests? I see no reason to have their grade calculated on only the latest, but as an overall. And that grade is real bad.

Of course their grade is the accumulation. But just because their overall grade is a D doesn't mean that I don't bother to grade their next test.

But if that next test is another D at some point you can stop grading those tests.

Then it's probably a good thing you're not a teacher.

SD:

If you pay an asshole 50 million to make A's what should yuo do with his dumb ass when everything comes back D's


SoulDawg

[Hikohadon]

I guess you cancel his scholarship.

Semester's not over yet. He still has time to get a passing grade if he turns in a couple excellent projects.

Not sure it's possible, but they do have a major exam coming up in April (which they've already failed the first part of, so they'd better study their asses off).

[comish]

You mean it's BAD if we evaluate a student based on the test results of previous students?

I knew something was fishy about the originl No Child Left Behind Act.

In todays educational world if struggling student continues to struggle we differentiate instruction and then maybe get them a 504 or IEP...do you think they have those for football execs? We might toss one in for the owner too while we are at it.

[jb]

Wow that really throws a wrench in my thinking.

I am not a fan of Blackmon at #4. If they feel that they need to get a WR that high I think Floyd is going to be tbe better Pro.

I definitely think they should be attempting to trade down if we are going offensive with those picks.

You are the only person in America that favors Floyd, he of constantly dropping draft position since about Sept, to Blackmon.

I think Sobo likes Floyd better, too.

[e0y2e3]

Fuck Sobo.

[FUDU]

OK this peeker/Hiko avatar/sig thing is stating to piss me off.

[peeker643]

OK this peeker/Hiko avatar/sig thing is stating to piss me off.

Good. Then it was 5 minutes well spent.

[jb]

The kissable one, Thuthsy Kolber is reporting that Kolb WILL receive his signing bonus, thereby remaining a Cardinal.

[Triple-S]

Now if Manning were to land in San Francisco, the league exec believes that last year's starter Alex Smith will land with the Cleveland Browns, who runs a Smith-friendly West Coast offense under head coach Pat Shurmur.

Charlie Donovan: How would you like to sign Alex Smith to the Browns?
Lou Brown: Gee, I don't know...
Charlie Donovan: What do you mean, you don't know? This is your chance to have a starting QB
Lou Brown: Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... 49ers.html

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

Now if Manning were to land in San Francisco, the league exec believes that last year's starter Alex Smith will land with the Cleveland Browns, who runs a Smith-friendly West Coast offense under head coach Pat Shurmur.

Hey, Alex Smith was one fumble away from the Su- pfffffffffhahahahahahahahahahahaha

[peeker643]

Just like we all predicted, Matt Flynn signs with Seattle: http://es.pn/FPvXnW

Three years, $26million with $10m guaranteed.

'Bout the $9m per we figured. Just not there.

If I'm Alex Smith I'm going to Miami. They're about desperate and if I'm him I leverage that deal for my financial well-being and I shove my foot up the ass of the 49ers at the same time. Then I hope Manning goes to Tennessee.

[pup]

Just like we all predicted, Matt Flynn signs with Seattle: http://es.pn/FPvXnW

Three years, $26million with $10m guaranteed.

'Bout the $9m per we figured. Just not there.

If I'm Alex Smith I'm going to Miami. They're about desperate and if I'm him I leverage that deal for my financial well-being and I shove my foot up the ass of the 49ers at the same time. Then I hope Manning goes to Tennessee.

To steal a phrase from back in the day..that would be titties

[mattvan1]

Just like we all predicted, Matt Flynn signs with Seattle: http://es.pn/FPvXnW

And thus beginith the Tannehill Era

[SoulDawg74]

Just like we all predicted, Matt Flynn signs with Seattle: http://es.pn/FPvXnW

And thus beginith the Tannehill Era

There goes the neighbrhood

[pup]

Absolutely beside myself when I thought they might consider passing on elite QB's to wait and draft Tannehill at 37.

Now we are going to take him at 4?

Is that when we are allowed to panic?

[Hikohadon]

Absolutely beside myself when I thought they might consider passing on elite QB's to wait and draft Tannehill at 37.

Now we are going to take him at 4?

Is that when we are allowed to panic?

If you can muster up enough energy, have at it.

I fully expect the worst to happen at all times, so when it does, meh.

So I'll shrug and start seeing who my adopt-a-team might be looking at. Think I'm going to choose one early this year. My last 4 were Cards, Saints, Pack, & Lions, so at least my adopted children have been succeeding (granted, I usually pick them 4 or 5 weeks into the season).

I've got my eye on Seattle, but the Flynn signing has me wary. Maybe the Bears too.

[jb]

Absolutely beside myself when I thought they might consider passing on elite QB's to wait and draft Tannehill at 37.

Now we are going to take him at 4?

Is that when we are allowed to panic?

We are now allowed to panic.

[peeker643]

Absolutely beside myself when I thought they might consider passing on elite QB's to wait and draft Tannehill at 37.

Now we are going to take him at 4?

Is that when we are allowed to panic?

We are now allowed to panic.

They can't like that guy that much, can they? I mean, I'd take Weeden at 37 or Cousins later than that if a gun is to my head before I'd take Tannehill at #4.

Dear God.

[motherscratcher]

Where would you take Tannehill? Top 10? 20?

[peeker643]

Where would you take Tannehill? Top 10? 20?

Want nothing ot do with him at all. I wouldn't take him, period.

I'd honestly rather have Weeden. I don't give a shit if Weeden and I graduated high school the same year.

Tannehill at #4 is pure panic. If you you loved him so much at #4 you'd have NEVER offered three #1's to move up for someone else.

[mattvan1]

Where would you take Tannehill? Top 10? 20?

I wouldn't take him at all. I think H&H will play the waiting game and see how far he falls - then maybe grab him at the #21. Not sure he gets by Miami or KC, though.

It makes no sense to take him at #4.

[Hikohadon]

Where would you take Tannehill? Top 10? 20?

Want nothing ot do with him at all. I wouldn't take him, period.

I'd honestly rather have Weeden. I don't give a shit if Weeden and I graduated high school the same year.

Tannehill at #4 is pure panic. If you you loved him so much at #4 you'd have NEVER offered three #1's to move up for someone else.

Per usual, I agree.

I wouldn't not take him, but I wouldn't take him before Weeden, and I wouldn't take him before 37.

And the bolded part is dead right. If you think a QB is good enough to be taken at #4 overall, then you don't need to sacrifice 3 1's to move up 2 spots. So if you don't have him valued as a #4 overall guy, then you don't take him there just to take a QB.

[jta1975]

Damn we got QBitis in this town! Tannehill at 4? If that's the plan they might as well cut McCoy and go with Thad Lewis.

[Triple-S]

Look.

Your offense is in shambles.

on the defensive side, I'm iffy on taking another corner. I mean, I can validate taking a defensive player if he's in the mold of a Urlacher, R. Lewis, Mario Williams, Suh, Polamalu, Peppers. He's got to be the ultimate game changer though, a leader, a guy that would make an all-pro team. That's your justification for going defense with the 4th or possibly 6th after we've traded down pick. I'm not so sure if just adding him, would do that.

QB? You fucked that up. so, unless you're thinking of adding Orton or Campbell (Who'd I'd be for, because at least they'd be competent), You're stuck with a guy under center who's not going to succeed unless you start to give him at least someone to help him on offense. A right tackle is definitely needed, but Minnesota has Kalil all but locked up at that spot, and I don't think the fans will be too pleased with such a pick.

So, to me? Down to just a two horse race between Richardson and Blackmon.

[pod2dawg]

Tanney has crept up the board and will go in the top 10.

[leadpipe]

In a vaccumm, cause I don't want to open up a can of worms claiming I know what the Browns did or didn't offer in the RG3 negotiations but....

What's a bigger gamble, or should I say what's the lousier gamble - giving up what the Skins gave up for RG3 or drafting Ryan Tannehill 4th overall. Christ, it's not even close.

And Ryan Tanneyhill, wherever drafted - and no matter what you project for him, clearly needs to go to a team that can afford to sit him for a couple years, cause one of the chief reasons that cat couldn't get it done against good collegiate teams was cause he wasn't ready. Anyone who thinks he's close to ready for the NFL was watching different games than I.

[pup]

4 years. $14M for Mike Bush.

God do we suck.