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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:45 am

trsteve1 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:I like Kolb more than Colt. I even like Kolb more than Flynn.



How does this work? With an ALL-WORLD Receiver Kolb's only stat which was BETTER than McCoy [significantly] was his yards per attempt.

Why pay the money for someone who isn't astronomically better?
If we go get RGIII we can have a competition between Colt and him.

Flynn will be overpaid, and I rather it not be by Cleveland.

Let other teams pick up those guys. There is one LOCK in this draft at QB and that is Luck, and the Colts have become [again] ridiculously lucky (pun intendend?) to have the opportunity to pick up a sure thing at the top of the draft.

(RGIII has an huge ceiling, tons of potential, and will LIKELY succeed. But not a LOCK in the way Luck is)


I think Kolb would come cheap, and I think he has more potential to be good than Colt. Stronger arm. More experience in the West Coast (a system in which he DID have some good games).

I didn't say he'd be astronomically better, but if he's any better than Colt and can be had at a reasonable price, you make that move. Just like with any position on the team, if you can upgrade - even if just a little - you do that.

I don't think that stops you from going for RG3. But if you just fall back on the RG3 plan and you don't get him, then there isn't much left out there in FA and you might be stuck with another year of Colt. Which I know I personally could do without.

EDIT - If the Browns draft RG3, he's the starter Day 1. There is no competition at that point.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby trsteve1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:29 am

Hikohadon wrote:
trsteve1 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:I like Kolb more than Colt. I even like Kolb more than Flynn.



How does this work? With an ALL-WORLD Receiver Kolb's only stat which was BETTER than McCoy [significantly] was his yards per attempt.

Why pay the money for someone who isn't astronomically better?
If we go get RGIII we can have a competition between Colt and him.

Flynn will be overpaid, and I rather it not be by Cleveland.

Let other teams pick up those guys. There is one LOCK in this draft at QB and that is Luck, and the Colts have become [again] ridiculously lucky (pun intendend?) to have the opportunity to pick up a sure thing at the top of the draft.

(RGIII has an huge ceiling, tons of potential, and will LIKELY succeed. But not a LOCK in the way Luck is)


I think Kolb would come cheap, and I think he has more potential to be good than Colt. Stronger arm. More experience in the West Coast (a system in which he DID have some good games).

I didn't say he'd be astronomically better, but if he's any better than Colt and can be had at a reasonable price, you make that move. Just like with any position on the team, if you can upgrade - even if just a little - you do that.

I don't think that stops you from going for RG3. But if you just fall back on the RG3 plan and you don't get him, then there isn't much left out there in FA and you might be stuck with another year of Colt. Which I know I personally could do without.

EDIT - If the Browns draft RG3, he's the starter Day 1. There is no competition at that point.



In the end, yea, RG3 starts. Disagree on the "if you can get someone better, even if it's just a little, go get him" point however.. A minor upgrade in the NFL can cost MILLIONS of dollars, and often is not worth it. Yea, our QB situation stinks, but if your boat leaks, you don't plug the hole with a something that just "kind of covers the hole" either way you sink, it's just a question of how fast. If RG3 saves this franchise, get him. Kolb isn't going to save this franchise, NOT.A.CHANCE. He is mediocre, barely above average, tepid at best.. which is about what McCoy is, except shorter and a bit weaker armed.

Improving the QB position from a QB who can take you to a 6-10 record [McCoy] to a guy who might get you to 7-9/8-8 just isn't worth it. If we don't get RG3, I want McCoy starting with a bevy of talent around him. If he stinks it up, or we have injuries left and right and are in a position to take a top QB next year, then do it then. But grabbing someone who isn't the ANSWER just to get them, seems silly, and reaks of a PR move for a troubled organization/leadership trying to save face with a fanbase which is slowly seeing it for the inept failure that it is, and has been.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:36 am

^^^^^^ I agree with this. Getting Kolb would be way too lateral of a move at a point in history where there's more opportunity than ever to grab somebody that could possibly change the franchise for the next decade. Hopefully H & H are thinking along the same lines but I doubt it. All in for RG3 and if it doesn't work out, gotta stick with Colt another year and see how it pans out with some better talent around him.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:50 am

I can't think of a single reason to believe that my thoughts of Colt never throwing another regular season pass for the Browns are incorrect.

He's not going to be here in September. And given Wallace doesn't see his role as one of 'mentor' or 'teacher' he won't be here either if they draft RG3.

Kolb makes sense as a WC offense mentor and potential first half of the season starter.

Get rid of Colt and Brad, get rid of Selfishca, bring in a guy whose no worse than those two who has WC experience, Eagle experience, Shurmur experience?

Come on. Only thing missing is blinking neon lights.

You can hate it, and I might agree with that hatred, but again, consider the regime, the regard for the Eagles, the WC worship, the fact Shurmur has relationship w/Kolb, all of it.

If all it costs is money after Mar 17th? I'd be to the point of being shocked if it doesn't happen.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:56 am

If anyone other than RG3 is the starting QB next season this teams fan base is "Dead Man Walking"

I already have a big box saved to send everything Browns to Berea...that includes a football signed by about 20 former Browns players from Bernie Parrish to Bernie Kosar...

They can seriously go fuck themselves, eat shit and die
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby trsteve1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:59 am

peeker643 wrote:I can't think of a single reason to believe that my thoughts of Colt never throwing another regular season pass for the Browns are incorrect.

He's not going to be here in September. And given Wallace doesn't see his role as one of 'mentor' or 'teacher' he won't be here either if they draft RG3.

Kolb makes sense as a WC offense mentor and potential first half of the season starter.

Get rid of Colt and Brad, get rid of Selfishca, bring in a guy whose no worse than those two who has WC experience, Eagle experience, Shurmur experience?

Come on. Only thing missing is blinking neon lights.

You can hate it, and I might agree with that hatred, but again, consider the regime, the regard for the Eagles, the WC worship, the fact Shurmur has relationship w/Kolb, all of it.

If all it costs is money after Mar 17th? I'd be to the point of being shocked if it doesn't happen.


So, what did I miss as to why McCoy will unequivocally be gone next season?

Also, on a random note as far as FA WRs I'd like to see the Browns go after, Manningham comes to mind =)
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:16 pm

trsteve1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I can't think of a single reason to believe that my thoughts of Colt never throwing another regular season pass for the Browns are incorrect.

He's not going to be here in September. And given Wallace doesn't see his role as one of 'mentor' or 'teacher' he won't be here either if they draft RG3.

Kolb makes sense as a WC offense mentor and potential first half of the season starter.

Get rid of Colt and Brad, get rid of Selfishca, bring in a guy whose no worse than those two who has WC experience, Eagle experience, Shurmur experience?

Come on. Only thing missing is blinking neon lights.

You can hate it, and I might agree with that hatred, but again, consider the regime, the regard for the Eagles, the WC worship, the fact Shurmur has relationship w/Kolb, all of it.

If all it costs is money after Mar 17th? I'd be to the point of being shocked if it doesn't happen.


So, what did I miss as to why McCoy will unequivocally be gone next season?

Also, on a random note as far as FA WRs I'd like to see the Browns go after, Manningham comes to mind =)


It's discussed in here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21278

And nope, not an authority. Just trying to read tea leaves.

I put it here: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/misc/gen ... ekend-wrap

And said Kolb would be here in this one: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/clevelan ... ekend-wrap

Is there a logic failure? I feel as confident today as when I wrote it.

Even after this this morning: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... er_11.html
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby trsteve1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:36 pm

I think it's more likely they sit on McCoy and sit at #4

Is it what they should do?
Hell if I know, probably not..

But I would bet money on that, and I hate betting (mostly because I have no 'disposible' income to waste)
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:55 pm

Man, so many people hooked by a smokescreen ledging like lemmings.

And the Tannyhill hate cause he's an athlete is reverse racism.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:00 pm

peeker643 wrote:Is there a logic failure? I feel as confident today as when I wrote it.

Even after this this morning: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... er_11.html


And the %'s on landing RG3 in a Browns uni next season just dropped several more points on that.

Like I said already, they have all been pretty frank about the Draft when they have said anything specific.

Browns wont come near anything that's been talked about with the skins, of course its tough to say how much of those 3rd party "offer" reports is true.

* I think they have a guy in mind for #4 and thats pretty much in stone pending a move that is clearly in their favor with regards to on-paper value.

* I think they are far more likely to trade down than up if the opportunity is there.

* And I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit regarding his comments on Weeden....as much as I want a "super smart" QB... ::doh::

* And finally I think I reacted far too strongly regarding Tannehill if the backup plan is Weeden. If they moved down, picked up an additional 1st round pick and took a shot on him it certainly beats several scenarios I now have dancing through my head.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:18 pm

DooDoo just got a chubby, trading down gives him more draft porn.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby yogi » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:19 pm

peeker643 wrote:I can't think of a single reason to believe that my thoughts of Colt never throwing another regular season pass for the Browns are incorrect.

He's not going to be here in September. And given Wallace doesn't see his role as one of 'mentor' or 'teacher' he won't be here either if they draft RG3.

Kolb makes sense as a WC offense mentor and potential first half of the season starter.

Get rid of Colt and Brad, get rid of Selfishca, bring in a guy whose no worse than those two who has WC experience, Eagle experience, Shurmur experience?

Come on. Only thing missing is blinking neon lights.

You can hate it, and I might agree with that hatred, but again, consider the regime, the regard for the Eagles, the WC worship, the fact Shurmur has relationship w/Kolb, all of it.

If all it costs is money after Mar 17th? I'd be to the point of being shocked if it doesn't happen.


I agree with this but Kolb can also be the starter whilst Mr. Tannyball learns the WCO and the speed of the NFL game.

Not saying RG3 isnt H&H first choice, but they may well decide to sit at 4 and see if he drops, if not, the Browns drop down from 4, get another pick and pick up Tannyball.

I'd want to see them get aggressive for the #2 slot, but I can see a trio of Kolb, Tanny & the ex-Ram QB manning the position.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:40 pm

trsteve1 wrote:Disagree on the "if you can get someone better, even if it's just a little, go get him" point however.. A minor upgrade in the NFL can cost MILLIONS of dollars, and often is not worth it. Yea, our QB situation stinks, but if your boat leaks, you don't plug the hole with a something that just "kind of covers the hole" either way you sink, it's just a question of how fast. If RG3 saves this franchise, get him. Kolb isn't going to save this franchise, NOT.A.CHANCE. He is mediocre, barely above average, tepid at best.. which is about what McCoy is, except shorter and a bit weaker armed.

Improving the QB position from a QB who can take you to a 6-10 record [McCoy] to a guy who might get you to 7-9/8-8 just isn't worth it. If we don't get RG3, I want McCoy starting with a bevy of talent around him. If he stinks it up, or we have injuries left and right and are in a position to take a top QB next year, then do it then. But grabbing someone who isn't the ANSWER just to get them, seems silly, and reaks of a PR move for a troubled organization/leadership trying to save face with a fanbase which is slowly seeing it for the inept failure that it is, and has been.


The thing is, I don't think that Kolb would cost millions of dollars. If Zona cuts him loose, you can get him on the cheap b/c he'll just want an opportunity to start and he won't get that many places.

If he's pricy, then, yeah, he's too much of a lateral move.

In the end, I still think Colt has a lower ceiling than almost all of the Plan B options (Flynn, Kolb, Orton, Tannehill, Wheeden, etc), but anyone but RG3 will be a massive disappointment and I'm not really sure I care very much which of the available shlubs/Colt is starting since he most likely isn't the answer anyway.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:44 pm

yogi wrote:I can see a trio of Kolb, Tanny & the ex-Ram QB manning the position.


I'd rather have RG3, but this scenario would at least give me a little hope.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:12 pm

JCoz wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Is there a logic failure? I feel as confident today as when I wrote it.

Even after this this morning: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... er_11.html


And the %'s on landing RG3 in a Browns uni next season just dropped several more points on that.

Like I said already, they have all been pretty frank about the Draft when they have said anything specific.

Browns wont come near anything that's been talked about with the skins, of course its tough to say how much of those 3rd party "offer" reports is true.

* I think they have a guy in mind for #4 and thats pretty much in stone pending a move that is clearly in their favor with regards to on-paper value.

* I think they are far more likely to trade down than up if the opportunity is there.

* And I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit regarding his comments on Weeden....as much as I want a "super smart" QB... ::doh::

* And finally I think I reacted far too strongly regarding Tannehill if the backup plan is Weeden. If they moved down, picked up an additional 1st round pick and took a shot on him it certainly beats several scenarios I now have dancing through my head.


Rizzo nearly had another coronary after going thru this non-recorded presser. Look, has this regime EVER put up a smokescreen? Not that I can remember.

I'm reduced to praying for Matt Flynn. :gah: :fu:
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:13 pm

yogi wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I can't think of a single reason to believe that my thoughts of Colt never throwing another regular season pass for the Browns are incorrect.

He's not going to be here in September. And given Wallace doesn't see his role as one of 'mentor' or 'teacher' he won't be here either if they draft RG3.

Kolb makes sense as a WC offense mentor and potential first half of the season starter.

Get rid of Colt and Brad, get rid of Selfishca, bring in a guy whose no worse than those two who has WC experience, Eagle experience, Shurmur experience?

Come on. Only thing missing is blinking neon lights.

You can hate it, and I might agree with that hatred, but again, consider the regime, the regard for the Eagles, the WC worship, the fact Shurmur has relationship w/Kolb, all of it.

If all it costs is money after Mar 17th? I'd be to the point of being shocked if it doesn't happen.


I agree with this but Kolb can also be the starter whilst Mr. Tannyball learns the WCO and the speed of the NFL game.

Not saying RG3 isnt H&H first choice, but they may well decide to sit at 4 and see if he drops, if not, the Browns drop down from 4, get another pick and pick up Tannyball.

I'd want to see them get aggressive for the #2 slot, but I can see a trio of Kolb, Tanny & the ex-Ram QB manning the position.


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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:17 pm

Why do we like Tannehill over Weedon, again? Pure potential and upside?
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:18 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:Why do we like Tannehill over Weedon, again? Pure potential and upside?


Mostly it's a difference of 6-7 yrs. And that IS important.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby yogi » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:20 pm

Thad Lewis, got him off the St L practice squad last year, he was #3 behind Colt & Seneca
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:25 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
Gradysmanldy wrote:Why do we like Tannehill over Weedon, again? Pure potential and upside?


Mostly it's a difference of 6-7 yrs. And that IS important.


Sure, I get that....but it seems like Weedon is far more ready to start day 1 than Tannehill is.

EDIT: I truly don't want either of them, and i'm with Peeks that we almost definitely end up with Kolb under center.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby pup » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:25 am

If there is a guy in this draft that better not need to fucking sit learning this system, it is the stiff that has run the god damn thing under one of Mike's other proteges for the last 2 years.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:32 am

I'm honestly a little sick to my stomach reading that the Browns offered 2 seconds and a late round pick to swap 1st rounders and get RG3, but they wont touch a 1st.

I'd feel better knowing they just thought the guy was going to bomb rather than they are too cheap to even pay a little over retail for a guy they DO think is franchise material.

THAT seems utterly asinine to me.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:57 am

CleSportsTruth wrote:Rizzo nearly had another coronary after going thru this non-recorded presser. Look, has this regime EVER put up a smokescreen? Not that I can remember.

I'm reduced to praying for Matt Flynn. :gah: :fu:


So you're the guy responsible for Rizzo still having a show.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:02 am

Dude, its March. The best and real offers won't come until end of April or when the Rams are on the clock. I do like Heckert now making it known they are talking. Puts more pressure on Washington not to swing and miss on Manning knowing the team the Rams would most like to make a deal with (us) is talking with them.

Let everyone else shore up their situations so that the price is driven down or we just straight up gamble and figure he will fall for us. How is Khalil not the guy the Rams want to take. The Vikings certainly will take him. There has to be a part of them that would be content sitting there and taking a stud LT, not as if their line is solid. If they don't get a deal too good to turn down I still see this as a possibility.

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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:02 am

Nothing for nothing as times have changed some, but JTA looked it up last night and ATL gave up a 3rd round pick to move up from 5 to 1 with San Diego the year they took Vick.

People are freaking over a whole lots of nothing right now. It's all positioning and it's all part of negotiations.

I can't tell you guys how many convincing, loud, angry demands I've gotten for $1million dollars on claims where we overed $5k and the claim settles for $40k.

Relax. Let the shit take its course. It's all a process.

You'd be gripping if Heckert jizzed all over himslef talking about how badly they want player x and what they're willing to do to get him.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:19 am

peeker643 wrote:Nothing for nothing as times have changed some, but JTA looked it up last night and ATL gave up a 3rd round pick to move up from 5 to 1 with San Diego the year they took Vick.


That was certainly a cheaper trade, but it was a 2nd, 3rd and a kick returner to move up, with the chargers coming fresh off of, and still paying for - the Leaf dissaster.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:19 am

peeker643 wrote:Nothing for nothing as times have changed some, but JTA looked it up last night and ATL gave up a 3rd round pick to move up from 5 to 1 with San Diego the year they took Vick.

People are freaking over a whole lots of nothing right now. It's all positioning and it's all part of negotiations.

I can't tell you guys how many convincing, loud, angry demands I've gotten for $1million dollars on claims where we overed $5k and the claim settles for $40k.

Relax. Let the shit take its course. It's all a process.

You'd be gripping if Heckert jizzed all over himslef talking about how badly they want player x and what they're willing to do to get him.


This is EXACTLY why Rizzo has become unlistenable - you'd think that at least someone in his position would know this ^^^. Instead, he's taken the "fan approach", which is make a lot of noise about any/every thing and generally sound ignorant.

It's called the Chuck Booms Theory.

I thought Hammer was supposed to be the Village Idiot to Rizzo's straight-man. The routine doesn't work as well when everyone's an idiot whipping each other into an idiot frenzy (not that I think a quality radio show needs ANY idiots, but that's probably just naive.)
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:30 am

Ziner wrote:Dude, its March. The best and real offers won't come until end of April or when the Rams are on the clock. I do like Heckert now making it known they are talking. Puts more pressure on Washington not to swing and miss on Manning knowing the team the Rams would most like to make a deal with (us) is talking with them.

Let everyone else shore up their situations so that the price is driven down or we just straight up gamble and figure he will fall for us. How is Khalil not the guy the Rams want to take. The Vikings certainly will take him. There has to be a part of them that would be content sitting their and taking a stud LT, not as if their line is solid. If they don't get a deal too good to turn down I still see this as a possibility.

Let it play out


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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:32 am

peeker643 wrote:Nothing for nothing as times have changed some, but JTA looked it up last night and ATL gave up a 3rd round pick to move up from 5 to 1 with San Diego the year they took Vick.

People are freaking over a whole lots of nothing right now. It's all positioning and it's all part of negotiations.

I can't tell you guys how many convincing, loud, angry demands I've gotten for $1million dollars on claims where we overed $5k and the claim settles for $40k.

Relax. Let the shit take its course. It's all a process.

You'd be gripping if Heckert jizzed all over himslef talking about how badly they want player x and what they're willing to do to get him.


Please allow me to restate….. what I said there isn't neccessarily indicative of what I'm jumping the gun and freaking out over...which I admit I am doing to an extent.

What I REALLY mean, is that if you believe that we have actually made that offer in talks with the Rams, that means they think he's a franchise QB.

And I'm anticipating them failing to move up and get a guy they think can be the Man.

I can deal with the Browns evaluating RG3 and deciding that they don’t buy the hype and he’s got far too many questions. I can deal with that. What I don’t want to fucking hear is that they DID think he was worth moving up and didn’t get it done, when they are CLEARLY in the fucking drivers seat.

That shit, I cannot accept from this front office. So I am jumping the gun with this, but I am thinking they are going to fail because they value those stupid fucking draft picks too much and not because they were wrong in their evaluation.

Maybe that’s typical Cleveland cynicism in assuming they will fail here, but that isn’t typically my bag when it comes to the Browns.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:38 am

So what I'm saying is that they absolutely should negotiate well and not blow their load here in March and certainly not in the publics' eyes.

But now that I feel confident they actually want this guy (and I truly was not convinced of this until recently) either you get it done or its a huge failure, because no one else had a better hand to play with here.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:04 pm

yogi wrote:Thad Lewis, got him off the St L practice squad last year, he was #3 behind Colt & Seneca



I thought it was Dieter Brock.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:49 pm

“I really like [Brandon Weeden]. I really like him a lot, and we’re actually gonna see him [Friday at his pro day]. That’s the million-dollar question. You go, ‘Wow, he’s 28 years old.’ But I don’t know. If he can play six years, I might not be here, so who cares? If he can play, he can play. [...] He’s mature, and he’s telling you it’s a positive. And it is. He’s been through a lot.”


Little extra nugget in there that was left out of the PD version....
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Ziner » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:26 am

Ziner wrote:Dude, its March. The best and real offers won't come until end of April or when the Rams are on the clock. I do like Heckert now making it known they are talking. Puts more pressure on Washington not to swing and miss on Manning knowing the team the Rams would most like to make a deal with (us) is talking with them.

Let everyone else shore up their situations so that the price is driven down or we just straight up gamble and figure he will fall for us. How is Khalil not the guy the Rams want to take. The Vikings certainly will take him. There has to be a part of them that would be content sitting there and taking a stud LT, not as if their line is solid. If they don't get a deal too good to turn down I still see this as a possibility.

Let it play out



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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:57 am

Ziner wrote:Told you, dumbasses.


While we're lauding our predicitions, realize that this is just one step of the scenario I presented:

It's unfortunate - there are 3 elite prospects in this draft, and we pick #4. Just like last year when there were 5 elite prospects and we picked #6.

My guess is that Manning goes to Zona, Flynn goes to Miami, Washington mortgages everything to move up to 2, Browns trade down from 4 (if they can find a taker).

Oh, and they sign Kolb at a bargain rate and put him in a "competition" with Colt.

Browns take Claiborne at 4 and a LB or DE at 22. Sign some schmoe at RB and give Hardesty a shot to show he's recovered from his ACL. Sign a WR in FA like Meachum. Sign some guy to play RT and draft one too.

Kolb beats out Colt (amidst much dispute between the people that still care), plays 11 games, misses 5 due to injury. Colt plays the other 5. This super-duo combines to win 7 games, mainly on the back of the D. Idiots everywhere take sides a la Couch/Holcomb, mistakenly thinking either is more than a placeholder. Browns draft around #15 in 2013, nowhere high enough to get a Real QB. We head into 2013 all excited about maybe getting the NFL equivalent of an 8 seed.

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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby JCoz » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:08 am

Ziner wrote:
Ziner wrote:Dude, its March. The best and real offers won't come until end of April or when the Rams are on the clock. I do like Heckert now making it known they are talking. Puts more pressure on Washington not to swing and miss on Manning knowing the team the Rams would most like to make a deal with (us) is talking with them.

Let everyone else shore up their situations so that the price is driven down or we just straight up gamble and figure he will fall for us. How is Khalil not the guy the Rams want to take. The Vikings certainly will take him. There has to be a part of them that would be content sitting there and taking a stud LT, not as if their line is solid. If they don't get a deal too good to turn down I still see this as a possibility.

Let it play out



Told you, dumbasses.


Good call Ziner, I was waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off on my rant earlier. :partyers:
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Unread postby Ziner » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:10 am

Haha. Not my first swing and miss but with the timing might be my best
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:08 pm

I clearly know nothing from nothing but Miami sending Brandon Marshall to the Bears for 3rd rounders in the next two drafts doesn't speak too highly of them signing Peyton Manning.

So, that would likely reduce the chances Flynn comes here but it could put both Kolb (AZ) and Hasselbeck (TN) in play if Manning goes to one of those two cities.

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Unread postby Ziner » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:14 pm

My thoughts as well, yet PFT is talking like that could have been done to entice him. Crazy week indeed.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:20 pm

peeker643 wrote:I clearly know nothing from nothing but Miami sending Brandon Marshall to the Bears for 3rd rounders in the next two drafts doesn't speak too highly of them signing Peyton Manning.

So, that would likely reduce the chances Flynn comes here but it could put both Kolb (AZ) and Hasselbeck (TN) in play if Manning goes to one of those two cities.

This week is going to get crazy.


SD:

Philbin had to let the owner have his head ,,

manning ain't about to go there , so we're in the duel at Deablo for flynn , so pick out the gravesight , because these fucks have lost that one before it starts .

On Kolb

Peeks he can't take a hit , get that thru your head .

You can take a better beating from these pummelings than that dweeb .

When Flynn signs with Miami this season will be officially over.


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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:42 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I clearly know nothing from nothing but Miami sending Brandon Marshall to the Bears for 3rd rounders in the next two drafts doesn't speak too highly of them signing Peyton Manning.

So, that would likely reduce the chances Flynn comes here but it could put both Kolb (AZ) and Hasselbeck (TN) in play if Manning goes to one of those two cities.

This week is going to get crazy.


SD:

Philbin had to let the owners have his head ,,

manning ain't about to go there , so we're in the duel at Deablo for flynn , so pick out the gravesight , because these fucks have lost that one before it starst .

On Kolb

Peeks he can't take a hit , get that thru your head .

You can take a better beating from these pummelings than that dweeb .

When Flynn signs with Miami this season will be officially over.


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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:07 pm

peeker643 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I clearly know nothing from nothing but Miami sending Brandon Marshall to the Bears for 3rd rounders in the next two drafts doesn't speak too highly of them signing Peyton Manning.

So, that would likely reduce the chances Flynn comes here but it could put both Kolb (AZ) and Hasselbeck (TN) in play if Manning goes to one of those two cities.

This week is going to get crazy.


SD:

Philbin had to let the owners have his head ,,

manning ain't about to go there , so we're in the duel at Deablo for flynn , so pick out the gravesight , because these fucks have lost that one before it starst .

On Kolb

Peeks he can't take a hit , get that thru your head .

You can take a better beating from these pummelings than that dweeb .

When Flynn signs with Miami this season will be officially over.


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You keep mistaking me saying what's going to happen for what I want to happen.


Kevin Kolb is 12 flavors of blecchhh... in my opinion. But that doesn't mean he's not going to end up here.

I don't want it. I just see it.



SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

They grab that refuse off the pile , polish that turd and trot him out like a plan .

Eeeeyow is that ugly .

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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:54 pm

Niners supposedly in the Manning mix now:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/17841995/threes-company-for-manning-49ers-enter-picture

Soooo... anyone have any interest in Alex Smith?

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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:39 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Niners supposedly in the Manning mix now:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/17841995/threes-company-for-manning-49ers-enter-picture

Soooo... anyone have any interest in Alex Smith?

(Not that there's any reason he would want to come here)



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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:41 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

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I do believe I'm feel in stronger everyday.

ESPN reporting they's payin' said hump.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:55 pm

First time in awhile I've totally lost my ability to jblate. I'm lost as of to what the above discourse is.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:59 pm

jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

SoulDawg



I do believe I'm feel in stronger everyday.

ESPN reporting they's payin' said hump.



SD:

Wah that can't happen Peeks assured me it was his prophecy ..

kolb is really Wisenhunts uncle , they can't keep us from getting such a fine piece off the refuse pile , reopen that bid ..

Our place is just as good ...

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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:07 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

SoulDawg



I do believe I'm feel in stronger everyday.

ESPN reporting they's payin' said hump.



SD:

Wah that can't happen Peeks assured me it was his prophecy ..

kolb is really Wisenhunts uncle , they can't keep us from getting such a fine piece off the refuse pile , reopen that bid ..

Our place is just as good ...

SoulDawg


Logic was right, logistics were wrong. So far.

I played the hand correctly, got beat. Happens.

Argue if ya want, but wasn't any way Chubby wanted Colt back this season. May have effed himself into it though there's still plenty of slips 'tween the cup and the lips.
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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:15 pm

peeker643 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

SoulDawg



I do believe I'm feel in stronger everyday.

ESPN reporting they's payin' said hump.



SD:

Wah that can't happen Peeks assured me it was his prophecy ..

kolb is really Wisenhunts uncle , they can't keep us from getting such a fine piece off the refuse pile , reopen that bid ..

Our place is just as good ...

SoulDawg


Logic was right, logistics were wrong. So far.

I played the hand correctly, got beat. Happens.

Argue if ya want, but wasn't any way Chubby wanted Colt back this season. May have effed himself into it though there's still plenty of slips 'tween the cup and the lips.



SD:

Just fuckin wit ya bro ..

Kolb was as gone as the morning flush , had Manning inked that paper , and when they saw what Washington was willing to pay for RG3 that seven million wasn't near so heavy in their pocket with the QB market fast drying up .

They signed him and will now deal him to the first sucka desperate with amnesia , which wil probably be us , so your still technically got a lotto entry.


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Re: The Manning Fallout

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:17 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
SD:

Well the gypsy ain't got nothing on you , because paying that hump $7 million by Saturday is gonna happen like you can pick up a Buick .

SoulDawg



I do believe I'm feel in stronger everyday.

ESPN reporting they's payin' said hump.



SD:

Wah that can't happen Peeks assured me it was his prophecy ..

kolb is really Wisenhunts uncle , they can't keep us from getting such a fine piece off the refuse pile , reopen that bid ..

Our place is just as good ...

SoulDawg


Logic was right, logistics were wrong. So far.

I played the hand correctly, got beat. Happens.

Argue if ya want, but wasn't any way Chubby wanted Colt back this season. May have effed himself into it though there's still plenty of slips 'tween the cup and the lips.



sd:

jUST FUCKIN WIT YA BRO ..

Kolb was as gone as the morning flush , had Manning inked that paper , and when they saw what Washington was willing to pay for RG3 that seven million wasn't near so heavy in their pocket with the QB market fast drying up .

They signed him and will now deal him to the first sucka desperate with amnesia , which wil robably be us , so your still technically got a lotto entry.


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I know. Not taking it personally. And holy shit, can you imagine if they actually gave anything of value to get the guy now? Wasn't appetizing when it was only money. Now it's too much money and a pick or two.

So yeah, they're probably on the phone with Phoenix now. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:48 pm

peeker643 wrote:And holy shit, can you imagine if they actually gave anything of value to get the guy now? Wasn't appetizing when it was only money. Now it's too much money and a pick or two.

So yeah, they're probably on the phone with Phoenix now. ;-) ;) :wink:


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