2012 Draft

[e0y2e3]

WILLIAM GREEN WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD

[e0y2e3]

MARSHAWN TOO!!!

AND THOMAS JONES!!!

AND TJ DUCKET!!!!

[jb]

The scat back is a luxury we can't afford with the holes we need to fill.

"Splurging" for a LMJ in round 3 instead of some nondescript CB project is too much of a luxury?

[HoodooMan]

I assume these are your examples of where traditional RBs used to be drafted?

Like, way back in 2007?

Check that, like all the way back in 2008? (McFadden & Stewart)

No, no, no...I mean like all the way back in 2010? (Ryan Williams)

[e0y2e3]

Traditional RBs that sucked used to be drafted way too high consistently.

It's not happening anymore, 1) because traditional RBs have far less value with committee's and spreads and stuff!!!

and 2) because committees have made speed backs superstars!!!!

[HoodooMan]

Well, then I for one hope the Browns wait to use an early 1st rounder on a QB until NFL teams have stopped consistently taking shitty QB prospects way too high.

Because, I figure if they can get that down to a science for RBs, they'll get there with QBs soon enough.

[e0y2e3]

Don't worry, Bernie is at the combine checking out QBs in an official capacity for the shit-hole that is The Browns.

No way he signs off on an RG3 type.

He probably already sent in his "GIVE COLT ANOTHER CHANCE!!!" letter.

[e0y2e3]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

[pup]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

The stupid part isn't drafting those guys that high. It is waiting to long to cut bait once they prove they are not worthy. You don't get the option of when you get to draft someone, because you are where you are. If you need a QB and there is one that is worthy of going anywhere before you pick again, you should take him. But you only get 2 years before I cut bait on ya.

[e0y2e3]

OH MAN IS HOODOO EVER GONNA SHAKE HIS HEAD

[swerb]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

This.

[JCoz]

Well, then I for one hope the Browns wait to use an early 1st rounder on a QB until NFL teams have stopped consistently taking shitty QB prospects way too high.

Because, I figure if they can get that down to a science for RBs, they'll get there with QBs soon enough.

Yah maybe in the future every team will have Running Quarterback by committee thus lowering the value of QB's and eliminating the RB position altogether.

[Gradysmanldy]

The scat back is a luxury we can't afford with the holes we need to fill.

"Splurging" for a LMJ in round 3 instead of some nondescript CB project is too much of a luxury?

Sign me up for LMJ in the 3rd. Wasn't seeing much talk of him at that round.

[HoodooMan]

Yah maybe in the future every team will have Running Quarterback by committee thus lowering the value of QB's and eliminating the RB position altogether.

I actually think something like this is possible. Though, I doubt RBs would ever be completely eliminated.

Shrug!

[JCoz]

I'm just being a smartass, but I see QB value trending upward, not down, for at least the next 10 years, so I'm not sure waiting it out is the strategy I'd take. Especially now that you dont have to dump 80 mil into that roll of the dice.

Its a no brainer these days to take your chances if you see the QB prospect as Elite IMO.

[SoulDawg74]

I'm just being a smartass, but I see QB value trending upward, not down, for at least the next 10 years, so I'm not sure waiting it out is the strategy I'd take. Especially now that you dont have to dump 80 mil into that roll of the dice.

Its a no brainer these days to take your chances if you see the QB prospect as Elite IMO.

SD:

nailed it .

Cash is King the economic dynamic is it costs more not to properly invest in a top flight QB now .

You devalue your franchise disenfranchise your fan base lose sales in jerseys and stadium revenues and have no relevance as a franchise .

grabbing a QB high when you don't have one is no longer a gamble , but damn near an economic necessity.


SoulDawg

[CleSportsTruth]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

[jb]

MARSHAWN TOO!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvfg6bvs2oU

[mattvan1]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

[e0y2e3]

Marshawn is a beast, don't get me wrong.

But no way in hell I draft the guy in the top twenty.

[ole uncle charle]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

Was that rhetorical?

[Hikohadon]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

He's got more chance of being elite/franchise than Colt. I personally don't like him all that well, and my excitement level would be low, but I'll give him at least as long as Colt has had before crying and wailing and feeling sorry for myself.

[JCoz]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

He's got more chance of being elite/franchise than Colt. I personally don't like him all that well, and my excitement level would be low, but I'll give him at least as long as Colt has had before crying and wailing and feeling sorry for myself.

I dont see how you could even go that far Hiko, and I'm not saying that in defense of Colt.

Tannehill's resume looks like S-H-I-T when it comes to NFL QB prospects.

Can ANYONE find franchise QB with the background he has coming into the league?

I'd bet not.

Flacco had a better resume as the guy coming out of Deleware because he couldn't beat out Tyler Palko for PT.

[Hikohadon]

He's got more chance of being elite/franchise than Colt. I personally don't like him all that well, and my excitement level would be low, but I'll give him at least as long as Colt has had before crying and wailing and feeling sorry for myself.

I dont see how you could even go that far Hiko, and I'm not saying that in defense of Colt.

Tannehill's resume looks like S-H-I-T when it comes to NFL QB prospects.

Can ANYONE find franchise QB with the background he has coming into the league?

I'd bet not.

Flacco had a better resume as the guy coming out of Deleware because he couldn't beat out Tyler Palko for PT.

Believe me, I am not endorsing Tannehill. He's this year's Blaine Gabbert, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm only speaking from a ceiling standpoint - Tannehill has a lot more physical skills than Colt, a much higher ceiling.

He might also have a lower floor, which is scary.

But I haven't seen a helluva lot of the guy, so I'd be forced to reserve judgement until he played some NFL downs. It's not like they'd be replacing a competent alternative.

[e0y2e3]

TANNEHILL KNOWS THE SYSTEM!!!!

[HoodooMan]

If he gets by KC & SEA at 11 & 12, and Denver doesn't jump us later, I think Tannehill would be a very nice option at 22.

He's raw, but he's a nice athlete, he has a nice arm & prototypical size, he's apparently an intelligent guy, like e0 says HE KNOWS THE SYSTEM...

I'd be happy with that.

[JCoz]

He's got more chance of being elite/franchise than Colt. I personally don't like him all that well, and my excitement level would be low, but I'll give him at least as long as Colt has had before crying and wailing and feeling sorry for myself.

I dont see how you could even go that far Hiko, and I'm not saying that in defense of Colt.

Tannehill's resume looks like S-H-I-T when it comes to NFL QB prospects.

Can ANYONE find franchise QB with the background he has coming into the league?

I'd bet not.

Flacco had a better resume as the guy coming out of Deleware because he couldn't beat out Tyler Palko for PT.

Believe me, I am not endorsing Tannehill. He's this year's Blaine Gabbert, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm only speaking from a ceiling standpoint - Tannehill has a lot more physical skills than Colt, a much higher ceiling.

He might also have a lower floor, which is scary.

But I haven't seen a helluva lot of the guy, so I'd be forced to reserve judgement until he played some NFL downs. It's not like they'd be replacing a competent alternative.

Fair enough.

I probably oversold the poor resume bit, despite being mistaken for a WR for his first 2.5 years at A&M, he STILL managed to attempt almost twice as many passes as Mark Sanchez, albiet in the French 12, as JB likes to say.

Still very little to go on for a first rounder thats for sure.

[jb]

Marshawn is a beast, don't get me wrong.

But no way in hell I draft the guy in the top twenty.

I just wanted an excuse to pst that video.

"HOLD MUH DDDDDDDDD...."

[CleSportsTruth]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

Resigned, and not one bit surprised. That said, he won't be there at 22, so do the Browns TRADE DOWN from 4, again?

[mattvan1]

If he gets by KC & SEA at 11 & 12, and Denver doesn't jump us later, I think Tannehill would be a very nice option at 22.

He's raw, but he's a nice athlete, he has a nice arm & prototypical size, he's apparently an intelligent guy, like e0 says HE KNOWS THE SYSTEM...

I'd be happy with that.

^^^^^^^^^thinks in lockstep with Walrus

<------thinks that is a bit disturbing - either some type of mind trick or ^^^^^^^^^ acts as Holmgren's caddy and slushie holder during charity golf events

ETA
<------has just realized that HooDoo is also represented by Bob LaMonte, as no other possible answer exists

[mattvan1]

Oh and Tannehill is going to go high enough to prove that GMs are still stoopid about QBs. See also Blaine Gabbert, Locker, etc all going way too high.

That is why you go get RG3, DUH

^^THIS. broadly speaking, dead on. On Tannehill, I mean, are people fucking kidding themselves? EVERY tight A&M game, he choked or, at best, underperformed in the clutch. And he's "franchise QB" material?

So how are you going to feel when Tannehill ends up a member of your 2012 Cleveland Browns?

He's got more chance of being elite/franchise than Colt. I personally don't like him all that well, and my excitement level would be low, but I'll give him at least as long as Colt has had before crying and wailing and feeling sorry for myself.

I dont see how you could even go that far Hiko, and I'm not saying that in defense of Colt.

Tannehill's resume looks like S-H-I-T when it comes to NFL QB prospects.

Can ANYONE find franchise QB with the background he has coming into the league?

I'd bet not.

Flacco had a better resume as the guy coming out of Deleware because he couldn't beat out Tyler Palko for PT.

Not advocating, not endorsing, not a fan. Just saying watch what happens. FA will tell us much much more, but as of today I would bet

The Browns select a QB in the 2012 NFL Draft

That QB is not named RGIII

[CleSportsTruth]

If he gets by KC & SEA at 11 & 12, and Denver doesn't jump us later, I think Tannehill would be a very nice option at 22.

He's raw, but he's a nice athlete, he has a nice arm & prototypical size, he's apparently an intelligent guy, like e0 says HE KNOWS THE SYSTEM...

I'd be happy with that.

That's great and all, but ummmm, is he ANY GOOD? Wonderful, he "fits the mold," the numbers match, etc. Yeah, so did Rob Johnson. How'd that work out?0

[HoodooMan]

^^^^^^^^^thinks in lockstep with Walrus

<------thinks that is a bit disturbing - either some type of mind trick or ^^^^^^^^^ acts as Holmgren's caddy and slushie holder during charity golf events

ETA
<------has just realized that HooDoo is also represented by Bob LaMonte, as no other possible answer exists

HA!

That's great and all, but ummmm, is he ANY GOOD?

I sure as F don't know. He has some attractive qualities. He has a lot of upside. He'd make sense in the latter half of the first round. (More sense, IMO, than two 1s, a 2, and more for RG3) And if that's where we get him, I'm on board with that roll of the dice.

[CleSportsTruth]

^^^^^^^^^thinks in lockstep with Walrus

<------thinks that is a bit disturbing - either some type of mind trick or ^^^^^^^^^ acts as Holmgren's caddy and slushie holder during charity golf events

ETA
<------has just realized that HooDoo is also represented by Bob LaMonte, as no other possible answer exists

HA!

That's great and all, but ummmm, is he ANY GOOD?

I sure as F don't know. He has some attractive qualities. He has a lot of upside. He'd make sense in the latter half of the first round. (More sense, IMO, than two 1s, a 2, and more for RG3) And if that's where we get him, I'm on board with that roll of the dice.

So, you'll take the lesser/less developed QB b/c of draft picks? A much greater unknown than RGIII? In today's NFL? :billengvall: Here's your sign. :billengvall:

B/c any first-rounder at QB better be franchise material. Is Tannehill that guy? Don't see it.