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Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:11 pm

5 years.

$42.5M

$19M guaranteed.

Wow. Countdown to the next time he misses a season...

That is a lot of money for tackles the safety should be making.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:13 pm

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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:19 pm

Perfectly to scale on Gocong's contract.

Overpaying LBs is the Heckert way apparently.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby mistero » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:20 pm

I'm not mad. That's one less hole to fill. Is he worth it? Probably not, but it ain't my money.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:21 pm

Well, everyone should breathe a sigh of relief, since this means that Big Phil Dawson will be back for 2012.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Govbarney » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:30 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Well, everyone should breathe a sigh of relief, since this means that Big Phil Dawson will be back for 2012.


Better be Dawson, if they give Hillis $7.7 Mil for one year they are out of there bloody minds.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:45 pm

Govbarney wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Well, everyone should breathe a sigh of relief, since this means that Big Phil Dawson will be back for 2012.


Better be Dawson, if they give Hillis $7.7 Mil for one year they are out of there bloody minds.


I don't think you'll have to worry about that.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:16 pm

I'm good with the deal. He played well this season, if he gets hurt again, so be it, this isn't baseball. Would have been idiotic to let him walk with the cap space on hand and other holes to fill.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:23 pm

JCoz wrote:I'm good with the deal. He played well this season, if he gets hurt again, so be it, this isn't baseball. Would have been idiotic to let him walk with the cap space on hand and other holes to fill.


Yep- Money ain't an issue and D'Qwell had a really good season. Guy's smart, fast, makes the plays he needs to make and captains a pretty good defense. Plenty of players to complain about. Fail to see how he's one.
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Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:58 pm

I like that he seems to be sincere about wanting to play here despite the million reasons to feel otherwise.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:24 am

You gotta love a fan base who will in one breath lament the fact that this organization has continually shot itself in the foot and that no free agents want to come here and play, and in the next breathe bitch about giving this guy money to stay.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/DQwell-Jackson-Press-Conference-227/7e8eabea-8360-4e8c-90e4-fe35bce758a5
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby jb » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:28 am

pup wrote:That is a lot of money for tackles the safety should be making.



I think NyQuil did a lot more than that this season. If it is frontloaded I have zero issue. I hate creating needless roster holes.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby wmurphyhh » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:42 am

WTF does Good Lord on a Pony mean?
Agree with JB. Only less hole to fill. Move on to signing Hillis and Dawson before 3/13.
Then we can focus on patching some holes like WR and CB thru FA.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:55 am

The hole is the same with Jackson here as it would be without him here. At MLB.

MLB, #2 in NFL for tackles. Yet Browns 3rd most yards allowed on the ground. Sorry, my MLB's job is to not be the leader on the 30th ranked rush defensive unit.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:02 am

pup wrote:The hole is the same with Jackson here as it would be without him here. At MLB.

MLB, #2 in NFL for tackles. Yet Browns 3rd most yards allowed on the ground. Sorry, my MLB's job is to not be the leader on the 30th ranked rush defensive unit.


Bullshit. That's a false frame around the issue and a vast oversimplification of the rushing d issues. Look, dude isn't ray Lewis, but he's fills a starting position just fine. The outside linebackers need to be replaced along with our LE, 2nd CB, and FS before any upgrades in the middle need to be considered. Letting him go would have been fucking stupid. Period the end.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:13 am

JCoz wrote:
pup wrote:The hole is the same with Jackson here as it would be without him here. At MLB.

MLB, #2 in NFL for tackles. Yet Browns 3rd most yards allowed on the ground. Sorry, my MLB's job is to not be the leader on the 30th ranked rush defensive unit.


Bullshit. That's a false frame around the issue and a vast oversimplification of the rushing d issues. Look, dude isn't ray Lewis, but he's fills a starting position just fine. The outside linebackers need to be replaced along with our LE, 2nd CB, and FS before any upgrades in the middle need to be considered. Letting him go would have been fucking stupid. Period the end.


I agree with jcoz (as weird as that may seem). Would you take James Laurinaitis instead? Would you shit can Mathis and Freeney since Indy couldn't stop the run?

Might really wanna look at your shitty offense not staying on the filed as a contributing factor to your defense not stopping the run.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:49 am

So there is no middle ground between giving a guy that contract and keeping him in the fold?

Would prefer to franchise him, make him stay healthy for another year and visit his contract again in a year.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:49 am

So there is no middle ground between giving a guy that contract and keeping him in the fold?

Would prefer to franchise him, make him stay healthy for another year and visit his contract again in a year.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:53 am

pup wrote:So there is no middle ground between giving a guy that contract and keeping him in the fold?

Would prefer to franchise him, make him stay healthy for another year and visit his contract again in a year.


Personally, I prefer to lock up my core players, free up cap room, send a message to the locker room, and use my Franchise elsewhere if I need to.

That contract isn't that big a deal. Much ado about nothing.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:53 am

pup wrote:So there is no middle ground between giving a guy that contract and keeping him in the fold?

Would prefer to franchise him, make him stay healthy for another year and visit his contract again in a year.


Honeslty, what in th hell does it matter to you what the guy signs for? Are the Browns going to have to squeeze someone else out for that contract? No.

That deal is about what you would expect it to be if you look up avg LB salaries, considering we've only just started with the season in resignings, extensions and free agency.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:54 am

Hikohadon wrote:
pup wrote:So there is no middle ground between giving a guy that contract and keeping him in the fold?

Would prefer to franchise him, make him stay healthy for another year and visit his contract again in a year.


Personally, I prefer to lock up my core players, free up cap room, send a message to the locker room, and use my Franchise elsewhere if I need to.

That contract isn't that big a deal. Much ado about nothing.


Exactly.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:07 pm

JCoz wrote: Look, dude isn't ray Lewis,.....


You're right. But DQ gets paid more than Ray Lewis, and just about every other MLB in football. Nature of the beast, I guess. Nice player and glad he is still here, but over paying for non-playmaking LBs seems to be a trend. JB has it right, as long as it's front loaded there's really nothing more we could do.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby jb » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:38 pm

pup wrote:The hole is the same with Jackson here as it would be without him here. At MLB.

MLB, #2 in NFL for tackles. Yet Browns 3rd most yards allowed on the ground. Sorry, my MLB's job is to not be the leader on the 30th ranked rush defensive unit.



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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:54 pm

There is no Cleveland discount right now. Teams like the Browns have to overpay to get/keep FA's.

This will be apparent if they try to pick up one of the big Free Agents in a couple weeks. Imagine what it would cost Cleveland to sign Mario Williams as opposed to - say - New England. The numbers would be staggering... likely why they'll only pick up some mid-level dudes.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:54 pm

Could be worse, you could be washington who overpays even worse, and where Free Agents go to steal from your franchise while they do nothing.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:16 pm

JCoz wrote:Could be worse, you could be washington who overpays even worse, and where Free Agents go to steal from your franchise while they do nothing.


Agree.

And that's why I give credence to the concept of building through the draft, b/c if you're a bad team you have to build through the draft or overpay for Free Agents that cripple your cap.

Not to say don't break the bank if the right guy is out there... but the "right guy" usually doesn't make it to Free Agency.

I want them to be somewhat active in FA, but I also realize it's gonna be mainly for depth.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby jb » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:33 pm

Hikohadon wrote:There is no Cleveland discount right now.


^^^

This is Fact. I Googled and couldn't find "MLB" anywhere on this link.

http://cleveland.about.com/od/discountcoupons/tp/topcoupons.htm
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Believeland » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:00 pm

wmurphyhh wrote:WTF does Good Lord on a Pony mean?


I for one fully endorse "good lord on a pony" as a colloquialism although I prefer "christ on a pony"
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:46 am

Looks like the guaranteed money is only $10.4 mil, not $19 mil as originally reported.

And the last 2 years are backloaded with much higher base salaries. It's actually a nice deal for the Browns.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/dqwell-deal-has-10-4-million-guaranteed/
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby pup » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:10 am

Hikohadon wrote:Looks like the guaranteed money is only $10.4 mil, not $19 mil as originally reported.

And the last 2 years are backloaded with much higher base salaries. It's actually a nice deal for the Browns.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/dqwell-deal-has-10-4-million-guaranteed/


Now I am only a little over half as blown away by this deal.
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:53 pm

Believeland wrote:
wmurphyhh wrote:WTF does Good Lord on a Pony mean?


I for one fully endorse "good lord on a pony" as a colloquialism although I prefer "christ on a pony"


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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:26 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
Believeland wrote:
wmurphyhh wrote:WTF does Good Lord on a Pony mean?


I for one fully endorse "good lord on a pony" as a colloquialism although I prefer "christ on a pony"


I was brought up with 'Christ on a pogo stick'


That's similar to what I was brought up on - "Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick."
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Re: Good Lord on a Pony, DQ #52 Signs

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:35 pm

I hate anyone who had a pony.
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