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by jb » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:23 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:25 pm
jb wrote:Is it too early?Enjoying this season, and we're starting to see this season come into place. But is it too soon to start speculating on the most important missing pieces , where we are likely to select, and who is there in NCAA or internationally?
by StewieG » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:32 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:42 pm
by JJN » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:21 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Harrison Barnes Can't Dribble
by swerb » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:48 pm
by dmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:07 am
by StewieG » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:34 am
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:35 am
by JJN » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:51 pm
by jb » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:13 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:48 pm
by dmiles » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:12 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Looking at those top three at DX only serves remind just how stupid not tanking was.I like those three markedly better than anyone else.Your playing roulette after that point.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:24 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:27 pm
jb wrote:StewieG wrote:http://www.draftexpress.comVery different names than some other sites, I've seen other places where the SG & SF look higher rated & deeper.To me, that's the area of need I'd like to most see met with a scorer.
by Kingpin74 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:43 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Andy should have been traded two off-seasons ago.Now you have to hold onto him until a team with a need for a defensive big also has a spare lottery pick or a young talent to deal.But this team, with a big man rotation next year featuring And and TT is not any better.Either way, they done already fucked up, we'll see what they can do in FA to fix it.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:46 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:52 pm
by FUDU » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:32 pm
by JJN » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:47 pm
FUDU wrote:All I know is if we make the playoffs this year we can kiss this rebuild goodbye, might as well sell the team at that point.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:38 pm
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:00 pm
by FUDU » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:00 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:I think FUDU's point is more so that if Gilbert tastes playoffs odds are you don't see the lottery again because his bloodlust will push him to become the Houston Rockets.
by Orenthal » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:08 pm
by JJN » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:30 am
FUDU wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:I think FUDU's point is more so that if Gilbert tastes playoffs odds are you don't see the lottery again because his bloodlust will push him to become the Houston Rockets.Yep.It's no secret NBA 6th seed and lower is eternal sports purgatory. One could probably make that argument hold for as high as a 4th seed.Bottom line is with our FA history, the unknowns of this FO moving forward and the roster as is today there is no way we can contend for a title without one more lottery pick in this very next draft.
by HoodooMan » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:24 pm
JJN wrote:And as far as Drummond, he might not take basketball as seriously as we would like, but we said the same about Shaq for his entire career. I'm not saying the kid is going to be Shaq 2, but in terms of a big man with gobs of skill and potential there is a similarity there.
e0y2e3 wrote:Looking at those top three at DX only serves remind just how stupid not tanking was.I like those three markedly better than anyone else.
by e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:39 pm
by HoodooMan » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:18 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:As for Davis, word. But he isn't the best prospect of the last three years when Wall and Griffin were picked in the last three years. The DC debacle may end up ruining Wall, but as a prospect he is still at least on Davis' level.
by e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:34 pm
by HoodooMan » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:00 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:15 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:24 pm
by JJN » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:30 pm
HoodooMan wrote:I'm having a very difficult time reconciling what I've seen with my own eyes with what I'm seeing on DX and reading in this thread. ^That, in particular, strikes me as actually being more batshit crazy than Sessions + Varejao for Dwight Howard.I'm sorry for your shortcoming.I mean, I vaguely remember Shaq at LSU, and he was a once in a generation type athlete & talent, almost certainly the most dominant player I've ever seen in college basketball. I know you threw in the "I'm not saying the kid is going to be Shaq 2" disclaimer, but holy fuck those two don't belong in the same sentence, paragraph, post, forum, web domain, and on and on and on...I see you managed to parse my words and see my intended meaning despite my claims to the contrary. To anyone with such astounding reading comprehension, I clearly said Drummond is Shaq 2.I've watched Drummond twice. Against Georgetown & Louisville. So both times came at the tail end of this 3-7 skid UCONN is on right now. Sooooo...maybe that's changed how he's played a little bit, and you guys saw a different Drummond from the one I've seen? Even in the 5 days separating those two games, I can say he went from engaged & shitty against Georgetown to effectively taking the night off against Louisville.I bow to your massive sample size.You see "gobs of skill." I literally see none. No post game whatsoever. Against Georgetown, he basically just drifted around in the post area with his hands at his chest like he's at the 3pt line waiting for a jump shot. Against Louisville, he did nothing, he gave no effort on either end, he was worthless. I don't see much rebounding skill. I don't seemuch defensive skill. That guy's as raw as they come, and I'd say he looks like a very good athlete for his size; not great. Right now, he isn't even a Hasheem Thabeet-level prospect, IMO. I hate Perry Jones. I think he's terrible. Yet, I would have a difficult time deciding between Jones & Drummond.He isn't Thabeet level? THIS is the thing that is more batshit crazy than Dwight for Session+AV. At the start of each of his three years, Thabeet wasn't even projected by Givony to be drafted. Drummond has been top 3 since he started at UConn. And MEM picking Thabeet was seen as a terrible pick when it happened, let alone now. e0y2e3 wrote:Looking at those top three at DX only serves remind just how stupid not tanking was.I like those three markedly better than anyone else.So, after the above, it should come as no surprise that I see this draft a liiiiiittle differently than^ right now.I can't believe how much I love Anthony Davis. When I watched his HS stuff, I thought he was going to just be another one of these 6'10+ douches who think they're SGs, play soft & small, and suck ass at just about everything (IOW, the next Perry Jones). But damn is he fun to watch. Far and away the best prospect of the last three years, and I seriously think he might be the best basketball prospect since LeBron James. So I wish the Cavaliers sucked more only to give us a better chance at getting that first overall pick for Davis, but...I hate Drummond. SEE ABOVE!!! If he's a Top 3 player in this draft, this draft sucks after AD.This is a very poor take.MKD, I like but don't love. Thomas Robinson would actually be my #2 guy in this draft, and after him I kind of like (but don't love) several SGs & SFs (Beal, Rivers, MKG, and Barnes), and while MKG might be the best of that group, if he is, I don't think it's by very much, and if you pressed me to pick my favorite right now, it might be Beal. (And because I like Beal & Rivers, I wouldn't be too concerned about the Cavaliers' draft position, as long as they miss the playoffs.) I think MKD is riding Davis' coattails a bit at the moment. He's good, but like the other 3 in my SG/SF cluster below Davis & Robinson, I think he's flawed. He isn't exceptionally athletic, and he doesn't really have an outside shot.MKG is miles ahead of the other swingmen. Miles. Just because he doesn't mean he doesn't do everything better than the rest. The issue with T-Rob is that he is 21 now. Were he 18 playing like this, I have no doubt he would be competing with Davis for the top pick, but it is what it is. I'm not sure I'd say he is the #2 guy in this class, but he has an amazing work ethic and does everything well on both sides of the court. Where he goes is going to depend on what he measures out at. If he measures 6'10, he is a lock for top 5, and maybe as high as 2 if a team is worried about Drummond's work ethic.Then after Davis, Robinson, and the SG/SFs, I'd toss a coin between solid but unspectacular Tyler Zeller and his talented but short-on-brains teammate John Henson. Then maybe fat ass Sullinger. Then, you hope the Cavaliers aren't drafting any lower than 10th/11th, and they're not forced into taking anyone else.
by HoodooMan » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:09 pm
JJN wrote:At the start of each of his three years, Thabeet wasn't even projected by Givony to be drafted. Drummond has been top 3 since he started at UConn.
by e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:16 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:17 pm
by HoodooMan » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:59 am
HoodooMan wrote:As scrawny as he is, I haven't seen him get pushed around at all.
by pod2dawg » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:56 am
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:07 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:37 pm
by Orenthal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:53 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:10 pm
by motherscratcher » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:20 pm
by FUDU » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:42 pm
by leadpipe » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:00 pm
FUDU wrote:motherscratcher wrote:http://discovermagazine.com/2008/the-body/07-physics-proves-it-everyone-should-shoot-granny-styleBest part about that was the reminder of the useless fact that Chris Dudley still played in the year 2000. How that guy managed to have a career longer than 6 years I'll never know.
by Bayou Tribe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:29 pm
by Bayou Tribe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:48 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:The Hornets will live to regret low-balling Gordan on the extension.I'd put the odds of him resigning at roughly 30% at this point.Kid's gonna go home to Indy and turn them into a legit force.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:07 pm
by peeker643 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:18 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:QUICK: SOMEONE WITH ESPN INSIDER GO COPY AND PASTE THE ARTICLE ABOUT THIS YEARS GREAT DRAFT CROP REALLY SUCKING!!!!!!PLEASE~!!!!!!!!Then watch the melt.Told yall Harrison Barnes and Sullinger suck.
"Everyone talks about how great this draft is," one NBA GM told ESPN.com. "On paper, in July, it really looked that way. On the ground, in February, I'm not that impressed. Anthony Davis is great. But after that, there are a lot of question marks and a surprising lack of depth. I'm not sure that the 2012 draft will be better than the 2011 one."What's causing the pessimism?Davis has lived up to expectations. Perhaps even surpassed them. But most of the rest of the crop of returning players and freshmen haven't met expectations.Barnes has shown he's a lethal scorer -- but a one dimensional one that doesn't seem to make anyone better. Perry Jones has reverted back to his wallflower ways. Terrence Jones, despite the talent, is still maddeningly inconsistent. Sullinger is effective, but seems to have hit his ceiling as a freshman..... though it seems abundantly clear that he's the 2nd coming of Kevin Love....
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