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Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:26 pm

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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:30 pm

If you're a fucking martian.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:32 pm

Man Taylor is a disappointment.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:44 pm

jb wrote:Man Taylor is a disappointment.


He got a mention. Try and find Marcel Dareus.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:46 pm

I found him. He was 13th.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:50 pm

HoodooMan wrote:I found him. He was 13th.


I didn't include those guys as all I have is the pic. Is the link insider?
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:50 pm

jb wrote:Man Taylor is a disappointment.


He needs someone like Devon Still playing next to him...one of my many theories on why and who for, the Browns would trade down

...and if Little cut his drops in half his YAC would have vaulted him at least 10 spots

If he ever does learn to catch he's gonna be a CB killing beast
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:52 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
jb wrote:Man Taylor is a disappointment.


He needs someone like Devon Still playing next to him...one of my many theories on why and who for, the Browns would trade down



He needs to be in shape and play with the same motor as Big Ty and show some, any, sort of first step.

Right now the Philly Messiah looks like he took an average two gap nose tackle 22nd overall.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:02 pm

Yeah, it was Insider. And it was Cameron Heyward who was nowhere to be found. (<--anOSU fan needling!)

I'm a little surprised by the disappointment in Taylor. Better conditioning and more consistent effort would both be nice, but he certainly showed flashes (kind of like Warren in year 1), and who knows where he goes from here. I'm not too down on above (IMO) average 2-gap DT in Year 1.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:05 pm

HoodooMan wrote:Yeah, it was Insider. And it was Cameron Heyward who was nowhere to be found. (<--anOSU fan needling!)

I'm a little surprised by the disappointment in Taylor. Better conditioning and more consistent effort would both be nice, but he certainly showed flashes (kind of like Warren in year 1), and who knows where he goes from here. I'm not too down on above (IMO) average 2-gap DT in Year 1.


I agree- He's on Kiper's map (as if that's the end-all/be-all). His place is no different IMO than Dareus slipping a similar ten spots. And if Helu and Dalton are in Round 1 territory, someone other than Heyward is missing?

Wondering who else from RD1 is nowhere to be found. I have insider access but not here from work so I'll see it later I guess.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:10 pm

Most of round 1, really.

Missing players from your pic:

1. Cam Newton
2. Von Miller
3. Aldon Smith

10. Richard Sherman
11. Stefen Wisniewski
12. Tyron Smith
13. Marcell Dareus
14. Ryan Kerrigan
15. DeMarco Murray
16. Adrian Clayborn
17. Mike Pouncey
18. Torrey Smith
19. Justin Houston

Only 12 out of 20 were 1st rounders. And I think Solder, Taylor, and Baldwin were the only 1st rounders given special mentions.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:41 pm

Taylor was picked #21 but only got an Honorable Mention in a Top 20 Rookies list? Epic Fail.

I'd say we should drag Heckert out into the woods and shoot him in the head, but that would probably be too good for him.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:41 pm

^ at least you acknowledge what a shitty GM Heckert is and how bad this franchise is managed
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:01 pm

For whatever reason, it takes years for Pittsburgh to get their LB's up to speed. I still expect Cam to become a player, just may take a little longer.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby jb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:04 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Taylor was picked #21 but only got an Honorable Mention in a Top 20 Rookies list? Epic Fail.

I'd say we should drag Heckert out into the woods and shoot him in the head, but that would probably be too good for him.


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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:03 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Taylor was picked #21 but only got an Honorable Mention in a Top 20 Rookies list? Epic Fail.

I'd say we should drag Heckert out into the woods and shoot him in the head, but that would probably be too good for him.


^^^^^^^^^

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Big. Fat. Invisible. Scott Paxson was not much of a drop off. Need to stop picking interior linemen in round one. who aren't Ngata. Thats a big reason why we won 4 games.


Not only was he big, fat, and invisible, but he could probably be replaced by any one of 10,000 random fat people that you might find in a suburban McDonald's.

He's probably the worst 1st round pick that anyone made last year. Maybe the worst 1st round pick ever. He was so bad that I don't see how he wasn't directly responsible for Colt McCoy's failings as well. That's just how bad he was.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby jb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:51 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Taylor was picked #21 but only got an Honorable Mention in a Top 20 Rookies list? Epic Fail.

I'd say we should drag Heckert out into the woods and shoot him in the head, but that would probably be too good for him.


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Big. Fat. Invisible. Scott Paxson was not much of a drop off. Need to stop picking interior linemen in round one. who aren't Ngata. Thats a big reason why we won 4 games.


Not only was he big, fat, and invisible, but he could probably be replaced by any one of 10,000 random fat people that you might find in a suburban McDonald's.

He's probably the worst 1st round pick that anyone made last year. Maybe the worst 1st round pick ever. He was so bad that I don't see how he wasn't directly responsible for Colt McCoy's failings as well. That's just how bad he was.



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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:53 pm

jb wrote:Now you're getting it !


Hey, when I see Da Troof in black & white, I just gotta say "True Dat!"

Phat Phil had only 59 tackles last year, good enough for only 4th in the NFL for a DT. 4th! For a first round pick! Fuckin' shameful.

And 4 sacks. That's only 14th for a DT! Sheee-it, I could roll out of bed, drop about three tabs of acid, cut my toes off, and do better than that.

He's a complete fuckin' waste, as big (and I mean BIG) a disaster as you'll ever see at the 21st spot, and if you can't see that, YOU CAN'T HANDLE DA TROOF!

Might as well have drafted a long snapper.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby jb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:17 pm

I think its an urban McDonald's btw.

OK, done with obnoxious hyperbole since apparently you refuse to play.

Can we just draft a position that scores points for the first time since BE in an offensive league, please?

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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby swerb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:21 pm

Taylor was up and down, but that's common for big young DT's. To me, with these 320+ DT's, SO much of it is attitude, conditioning, and playing at the right weight for them. Shaun Rogers is the perfect example. When motivated and in shape, he's a terror. We saw both sides of him here.

I think a lot of these young DT's see a couple of the slobs like Casey Hampton that can pull it off and think that it's OK to totally let themselves go and eat like pigs and not condition hard.

To me, Taylor showed some real promise this year. While he doesn't have as much pure pedigree and raw talent as Gerard Warren and Shaun Rogers, he's got a good chance to have better careers than those guys and be a rock DT for us. He's a vital part of this D and the Browns are going to be counting on him heavily to take his game to a Pro Bowl level these next few years.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:15 pm

This is the year that makes or breaks Phil Taylor. He has a clear indication now what it takes to be elite.

Is he going to work for that or will he look to collect two checks a month for the next 6 years.

Because that's what it's going to come down to. And honestly, I think it's a coin flip. He could be Kevin Williams or Raji-lite. Or he could be Gerard Warren and hang around doing just enough to get paid.
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Re: Kiper 2011 NFL Rookie Ratings

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:22 pm

peeker643 wrote:This is the year that makes or breaks Phil Taylor. He has a clear indication now what it takes to be elite.

Is he going to work for that or will he look to collect two checks a month for the next 6 years.

Because that's what it's going to come down to. And honestly, I think it's a coin flip. He could be Kevin Williams or Raji-lite. Or he could be Gerard Warren and hang around doing just enough to get paid.


I think this is on. Dude clearly has the size, talent, and ability. Only question is if he has the desire to work hard enough to utilize that.

Unless we can get Urban to meet with him for an hour so we can get his take, I guess we will find out next season.
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