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by Prosecutor » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:08 am
by LakeErieWarriors » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:03 am
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:38 am
Prosecutor wrote:With Boobie and AP both out we got an extended look at KI and Sessions in the backcourt together, although Mychel Thompson started. That pairing led a furious Cavs comeback that fell a little short as Garnett and Pierce held off the rally with some key baskets. Gee had a nice game including another highlight reel dunk and Andy was everywhere - and even hit three or four outside shots. I thought Scott screwed up at one point when he had a lineup of Sessions, both Thompsons, Samuels, and Varajao. There was nobody on the floor who could create his own shot the Cavs had nothing going offensively while the Celtics pulled out to a 22-point lead. It was ugly and he took too long to get a scorer back in there. If Andy could start knocking down that unchallenged 17-footer from the elbow with consistency it would add a lot to the Cavs' offense. Bass was a huge pickup for the Celtics. He saved their bacon tonight.
by Orenthal » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:42 am
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:56 am
Orenthal wrote:You'd think the 20/20 would be lauded by our stat guru...
by Prosecutor » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:13 pm
peeker643 wrote:Orenthal wrote:You'd think the 20/20 would be lauded by our stat guru...Well, I was of the opinion that you needed to trade AV at some point in this rebuild. I just don't think you can do that the more I see him. There's no difference in his effort or his game from when it was LBJ and 66 wins to now.You can't buy that and you can't get enough value back in a trade on what he does. He's playing every game til he retires at warp speed and he's adaptable into any offense because he's not a guy that needs or gets a play called for him.A lot of people raised eyebrows when he got paid a couple years back.Dude is a bargain and maybe one of the best values in the league.
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:56 pm
Prosecutor wrote:Yeah, I'm pulled both ways on that. The Cavs were down 22 points in the 3rd quarter last night and Andy was banging the boards, hustling his ass off, throwing himself on loose balls, and taking charges just like the game was tied and the playoffs were at stake. I agree, you can't buy that. What an example for the young guys on how to be a pro.That being said, Andy could make a huge difference on a number of teams that will be in the playoffs this year. He contributes at both ends of the floor, is totally unselfish, does a lot of things that don't show up in the stat sheets, can play both center and power forward, can start but doesn't mind coming off the bench, and is a bargain for three more years. He is being wasted on a below average team. The question is - can a contender offer the Cavs a worthwhile deal? They all will be drafting in the 20's, which is where you get guys like Eyenga and Hickson. If they get Andy they'll be drafting closer to 30. Even if they throw in somebody off their bench, how can that be worth a Varajao, especially since the Cavs would be left with Hollins and Erden at center?The Western Conference has eight teams with records in the 12-9 to 14-7 range. Good teams but in need of a player like Andy to give them a legitimate shot at the Finals. But how many of them could offer fair value, if any? If the Cavs don't trade AV, how will they avoid getting stuck in the middle, on the fringe of the playoffs but unable to get better?
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:18 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:25 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Andy and TT overlap far too much, Andy is old and will be much older by a playoff run, if you can get legit young talent/lottery pick you trade him and don't even blink.That said I didn't read a single word Pros typed here, so who knows what I am actually arguing on behalf of.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:30 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:42 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Here is the thing, you cannot play those two together.The team decided TT is the future (and he will gain the weight, etc).I've defended Andy for years, but this team fudamentally drafted his replacement last year. And while he isn't going to fall off a cliff, his value isn't going to get higher.That said, obvious targets aren't out there and it would take a lottery pick or a young known talent for me to a do a deal. Only a moron would give him away.If a deal shows up you have to pull the trigger because you can't have your two best front court players unable to play together. You just can't.If not, well, keep on truckin
by Rat_Tail » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:42 pm
by Prosecutor » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:08 pm
I just don't think Andy's game gets appreciably worse in 3-5 years. And part of not wanting to deal him is exactly because I don't think you can get what he's worth from the clubs that would want him.
by Orenthal » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:22 pm
by JJN » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:02 pm
by StewieG » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:18 pm
by Orenthal » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:02 pm
JJN wrote:LAC owe their pick and the Minny pick this year. Boston gets the lower pick, NOH gets the higher pick.
by JJN » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:15 pm
Could Golden State be a match? Would they give up their first for Varejao?
by StewieG » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:51 pm
by JJN » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:58 am
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