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by skatingtripods » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:13 pm
by onlyindreams » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:30 pm

by pup » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:33 pm
onlyindreams wrote:Spilbroughs had a scintillating .380 OPS away from Coors last season.
by onlyindreams » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:48 pm
pup wrote:onlyindreams wrote:Spilbroughs had a scintillating .380 OPS away from Coors last season.
And we are off...
How did he do on the fourth Saturday of each week?
by Love child of shawn kemp » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:03 pm
pup wrote:[And we are off...
How did he do on the fourth Saturday of each week?
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:09 pm
pup wrote:onlyindreams wrote:Spilbroughs had a scintillating .380 OPS away from Coors last season.
And we are off...
How did he do on the fourth Saturday of each week?
by pup » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:21 pm
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:pup wrote:onlyindreams wrote:Spilbroughs had a scintillating .380 OPS away from Coors last season.
And we are off...
How did he do on the fourth Saturday of each week?
Here's someone who doesn't get it.
by gotribe31 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:58 pm

by pup » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:09 pm
gotribe31 wrote:Not trying to pick sides in the greater debate here, but he really does have remarkable home/road splits for his career.
Home: 758 AB, .306/.379/.483 with 23 HR and a 124 OPS+
Road: 803 AB, .239/.313/.366 with 19 HR and a 77 OPS+
Again, this has nothing to do with Michael Young, the eye test vs stats or anything else going on in the other thread. But for a guy who's spent his whole career in Colorado, he seems like a guy that enjoys hitting in Coors Field.
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:17 pm
by motherscratcher » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:23 pm
by pup » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:33 pm
motherscratcher wrote:Pup, have you seen the guy take a single at bat in your life. Even one? And if you have, do you think your eyes have given you enough info to make an even remotely accurate assessment?
Because any time anyone here writes anything with a number in it you act as if they've never seen a baseball game in their life and have no idea what they are talking about.
I mean, honest to fucking god, the numbers and stats aren't the end all be all. Most of us understand this and acknowledge it. but they do mean something. They reveal something. They help us to understand, evaluate, illuminate. And yes, home/road splits mean something. They just do, even if you've decided that you'd rather just ignore them completely.
go watch this new guy take enough cuts, and play in enough games and then come back here and make everyone who has the audacity to drop a stat into a post feel like dick who doesn't know the first thing about baseball.
Me, I've never seen this guy play. Ever. So what the fuck else am I supposed to go on besides the stats?
by skatingtripods » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:05 pm
by motherscratcher » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:28 pm
skatingtripods wrote:Kevin Slowey is an Indian (or Clipper). Traded away Zach Putnam.
by bookelly » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:38 pm
skatingtripods wrote:Kevin Slowey is an Indian (or Clipper). Traded away Zach Putnam.
by Jumbo » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:53 pm
pup wrote:He could also really like sleeping in his own bed.
pup wrote:About home and road splits? They mean very little. Some guys hit better at the place they are comfortable. Some guys dig the backdrop at some places. Just because a guy has good home splits at a place like Coors doesn't mean he can't have those same home and road splits playing in Cleveland.
pup wrote:Wonder why his HR are not really effected? 1 in 39 @ home, 1 in 42 on the road.
by pup » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:45 pm
motherscratcher wrote:Pup, have you seen the guy take a single at bat in your life. Even one? And if you have, do you think your eyes have given you enough info to make an even remotely accurate assessment?
Because any time anyone here writes anything with a number in it you act as if they've never seen a baseball game in their life and have no idea what they are talking about.
I mean, honest to fucking god, the numbers and stats aren't the end all be all. Most of us understand this and acknowledge it. but they do mean something. They reveal something. They help us to understand, evaluate, illuminate. And yes, home/road splits mean something. They just do, even if you've decided that you'd rather just ignore them completely.
go watch this new guy take enough cuts, and play in enough games and then come back here and make everyone who has the audacity to drop a stat into a post feel like dick who doesn't know the first thing about baseball.
Me, I've never seen this guy play. Ever. So what the fuck else am I supposed to go on besides the stats?
by WiscTribeFan » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:58 pm
motherscratcher wrote:skatingtripods wrote:Kevin Slowey is an Indian (or Clipper). Traded away Zach Putnam.
Kevin Slowey last season
Home: 109 tOPS+
Road: 89 tOPS+
I can only conclude that he sleeps well in motels.
by Pressrunnr » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:18 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:44 pm
WiscTribeFan wrote:
Maybe his road sleeping partners are more fun than Mrs. Slowey
by Adverb Harry » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:52 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:00 pm
by skatingtripods » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:28 pm
by gotribe31 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:41 pm
skatingtripods wrote:We never had the ammo this offseason to make a trade for an impact bat. First, there aren't many available. Second, there'd be a reason that a team was trading them, likely contract-related.
Goldstein over at BPro (I think, either that or BA) said we have one of the three worst farm systems in baseball right now to somebody on Twitter a couple weeks ago. Lindor's our consensus best prospect and he's an 18-year-old kid who barely has gotten a taste of A-ball.
We'll get an upgrade at 1B, but I think we're about done besides that.

by WiscTribeFan » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:25 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:46 pm

by gotribe31 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:44 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Damn, no #WashTime

by skatingtripods » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:59 pm
gotribe31 wrote:and adjusting to wood for the 1st time
by bookelly » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:34 am
by Erie Warrior » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:41 am


by pup » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:28 am
Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
by peeker643 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:48 am
skatingtripods wrote:gotribe31 wrote:and adjusting to wood for the 1st time
Have at it guys who are more creative than me.

by leadpipe » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:04 pm
peeker643 wrote:skatingtripods wrote:gotribe31 wrote:and adjusting to wood for the 1st time
Have at it guys who are more creative than me.
I missed this. Sorry. But if anyone knows about this very thing, I think it's gotribe31.
by Adverb Harry » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:34 pm
skatingtripods wrote:gotribe31 wrote:and adjusting to wood for the 1st time
Have at it guys who are more creative than me.
by gotribe31 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:18 pm
peeker643 wrote:skatingtripods wrote:gotribe31 wrote:and adjusting to wood for the 1st time
Have at it guys who are more creative than me.
I missed this. Sorry. But if anyone knows about this very thing, I think it's gotribe31.

by gotribe31 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:26 pm
Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?

by skatingtripods » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:01 pm
gotribe31 wrote:Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
by motherscratcher » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:10 pm
Or maybe someone in the Indians’ front office realized what was happening and said: “Wait, is this the same Julio Lugo? The 36-year-old one?”
by Jumbo » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:47 pm
motherscratcher wrote:First Prince signs with Detroit and now this.
Julio Lugo deal falls apart. This sucks, the guy had killer home/road splits.
Info on what went wrong is still coming in but Aaron Gleeman probably hits closest to the truth:Or maybe someone in the Indians’ front office realized what was happening and said: “Wait, is this the same Julio Lugo? The 36-year-old one?”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/indians-deal-with-julio-lugo-has-fallen-apart/
by peeker643 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:59 pm
gotribe31 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
by andrew6586 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:28 pm
Jumbo wrote:motherscratcher wrote:First Prince signs with Detroit and now this.
Julio Lugo deal falls apart. This sucks, the guy had killer home/road splits.
Info on what went wrong is still coming in but Aaron Gleeman probably hits closest to the truth:Or maybe someone in the Indians’ front office realized what was happening and said: “Wait, is this the same Julio Lugo? The 36-year-old one?”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/indians-deal-with-julio-lugo-has-fallen-apart/
Yes.
Was there any word of any interest in Julio Lugo before that interest was reported as falling apart? Signing Lugo would've been the most pointless pickup since every other FA signing this off season
by Jumbo » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:09 am
andrew6586 wrote:Jumbo wrote:motherscratcher wrote:First Prince signs with Detroit and now this.
Julio Lugo deal falls apart. This sucks, the guy had killer home/road splits.
Info on what went wrong is still coming in but Aaron Gleeman probably hits closest to the truth:Or maybe someone in the Indians’ front office realized what was happening and said: “Wait, is this the same Julio Lugo? The 36-year-old one?”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/indians-deal-with-julio-lugo-has-fallen-apart/
Yes.
Was there any word of any interest in Julio Lugo before that interest was reported as falling apart? Signing Lugo would've been the most pointless pickup since every other FA signing this off season
Fixed.
by Jumbo » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:29 pm
by gotribe31 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:45 pm
peeker643 wrote:gotribe31 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
Does this mean we can at least agree that anyone leading the 'Free Cord Phelps' chants last year was simply a moron?

by motherscratcher » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:50 pm
gotribe31 wrote:peeker643 wrote:gotribe31 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
Does this mean we can at least agree that anyone leading the 'Free Cord Phelps' chants last year was simply a moron?
Prick.
My point was simply that given consistent AB's, Cord Phelps was a better option than OC. Which he was. I still think he can be a quality utility infielder, if not a 2nd-division starter at 2B. You're just pissed because he's taller and less adorable than Jamey Carroll.
by peeker643 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:02 pm
motherscratcher wrote:gotribe31 wrote:peeker643 wrote:gotribe31 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
Does this mean we can at least agree that anyone leading the 'Free Cord Phelps' chants last year was simply a moron?
Prick.
My point was simply that given consistent AB's, Cord Phelps was a better option than OC. Which he was. I still think he can be a quality utility infielder, if not a 2nd-division starter at 2B. You're just pissed because he's taller and less adorable than Jamey Carroll.
Isn't everyone?
by gotribe31 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:10 pm
peeker643 wrote:motherscratcher wrote:gotribe31 wrote:peeker643 wrote:gotribe31 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:MLBastian
According to @hoynsie, Indians offered 1B Carlos Pena 1-yr, $8M contract. He took 1-yr, $7.25M with Rays. Ain't always about money.
I would imagine that's more insulting then being told "not enough money"
And that Top Prospect list is terrible. Did the Indians go from having a good farm system, and a bad pro team to a bad farm system and a bad pro team?
WTF?
Probably when their top 2 hitting prospects graduated to the majors and their top 2 pitching prospects were traded at the deadline last year. That would do major damage to pretty much every system in baseball.
Does this mean we can at least agree that anyone leading the 'Free Cord Phelps' chants last year was simply a moron?
Prick.
My point was simply that given consistent AB's, Cord Phelps was a better option than OC. Which he was. I still think he can be a quality utility infielder, if not a 2nd-division starter at 2B. You're just pissed because he's taller and less adorable than Jamey Carroll.
Isn't everyone?
Yes. Thank you. Most lucid sentence and thought you've expressed here in weeks.![]()
And Cord Phelps wasn't a better option than OC, with or without consistent ABs. Not last year. He was overwhelemed and played scared, not to mention played poorly. That's just not better than OC and I'm the first to agree it wouldn't have taken much at all to exceed what OC 'gave'. Phelps didn't do it.
And I agree he can still be a decent player. But he wasn't ready. He was one of the top prospects coming into last season. Where is he now? (Legit question).

by peeker643 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:13 pm
by gotribe31 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:42 pm
peeker643 wrote:No it does not. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's the best thing for a guy. He can use it for motivation or he can let it kill him. Not sure about his make up so we shall see.
When is AZ? You need creds? Lemme know and I can start the process.

by Adverb Harry » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:44 pm
Jumbo wrote:Another one to add to the list: Russ Canzler for cash from the Rays.
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=386508
I didn't know who he was. Looks like a 25 year old utility corner infielder and outfielder and MVP of the International League. In other words, a right handed LaPorta who can play in the outfield...the very definition of Replacement Player.
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