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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:36 pm

Hikohadon wrote:and that Free Agency doesn't exist.



If a tree falls in the woods, and there's is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Does the tree exist?

What if the only witness is Usama bin Young?
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:41 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:and that Free Agency doesn't exist.



If a tree falls in the woods, and there's is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Does the tree exist?

What if the only witness is Usama bin Young?


They were fairly involved with FA in 2010.

There are many explanations that we can speculate on why they weren't in 2011, but I am of the mind that this year will be more like 2010 than 2011. Obviously, I could be wrong.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby pod2dawg » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:02 pm

I have been under the impression the "league" has changed some things concerning FA/payrolls in that there will be a "basement" of which all teams will be forced to spend and be "above" thus forcing cheapskate teams/owners to at least appear to want to be competitive.

Can someone that knows something about that educate me so I may either continue my delusion the Browns will some day be competitive or just hook up to the Michael Jackson cocktail drip and go to sleep?

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Re: RG all in

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:29 pm

The Browns signed a bunch of scrubs and a couple of good guys to extensions that are going to be heavily front loaded, making reaching the floor not all that difficult.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:43 pm

They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:22 pm

Hikohadon wrote:They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.



And you mean, gasp, let the Cleveland fan favorite Phil Dawson walk? You mean the 7th most accurate PK in the NFL whose never sniffed a ProBbowl but Browns fan thinks is the place kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley leave as a FA?

How can that happen ? We might have to sign a scrub like Billy Cundiff again!
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:56 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.



And you mean, gasp, let the Cleveland fan favorite Phil Dawson walk? You mean the 7th most accurate PK in the NFL whose never sniffed a ProBbowl but Browns fan thinks is the place kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley leave as a FA?

How can that happen ? We might have to sign a scrub like Billy Cundiff again!


SD:

When you have an offense averaging 13 points a game and your FG kicker has more than a half a dozen FG's over fifty yards as part of that total , you really should look elswhere to bust out Phil dawson smack .

i mean ...

Cmon man


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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:02 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.



And you mean, gasp, let the Cleveland fan favorite Phil Dawson walk? You mean the 7th most accurate PK in the NFL whose never sniffed a ProBbowl but Browns fan thinks is the place kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley leave as a FA?

How can that happen ? We might have to sign a scrub like Billy Cundiff again!


SD:

When you have an offense averaging 13 points a game and your FG kicker has more than a half a dozen FG's over fifty yards as part of that total , you really should look elswhere to bust out Phil dawson smack .

i mean ...

Cmon man


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If we miss him, it will be marginally.

And Cundiff is a better PK.

Much like all the wailing about Pontbriand by the doofus brigade, PK are mostly interchangeable. Peeps act like the wind only blows in CBS.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby mattvan1 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:08 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:and that Free Agency doesn't exist.



If a tree falls in the woods, and there's is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Does the tree exist?

What if the only witness is Usama bin Young?


They were fairly involved with FA in 2010.

There are many explanations that we can speculate on why they weren't in 2011, but I am of the mind that this year will be more like 2010 than 2011. Obviously, I could be wrong.


They re-signed many of their own, then added

Jake Delhomme
Chansi Stuckey
Demetrius Williams
Garrett Mills
E. Alex Smith
Benjamin Watson
Tony Pashos
Paul Fanaika
Steve Vallos
Eric Alexander
Scott Fujita
Steve Octavien
Bobby Engram
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:53 pm

mattvan1 wrote:They re-signed many of their own, then added

Jake Delhomme
Chansi Stuckey
Demetrius Williams
Garrett Mills
E. Alex Smith
Benjamin Watson
Tony Pashos
Paul Fanaika
Steve Vallos
Eric Alexander
Scott Fujita
Steve Octavien
Bobby Engram


I said active, not good.

They got 2 solid starters out of that (Watson and the 2010 Fujita). If they manage 3 solid starters for the 2012 season out of this FA, that's about all I can expect.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:29 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.



And you mean, gasp, let the Cleveland fan favorite Phil Dawson walk? You mean the 7th most accurate PK in the NFL whose never sniffed a ProBbowl but Browns fan thinks is the place kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley leave as a FA?

How can that happen ? We might have to sign a scrub like Billy Cundiff again!


Well,when you put it like that, he's pretty much EXACTLY the kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley. Isn't he?
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:17 am

motherscratcher wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They'll probably end up Franchising DQ too, which will be expensive.



And you mean, gasp, let the Cleveland fan favorite Phil Dawson walk? You mean the 7th most accurate PK in the NFL whose never sniffed a ProBbowl but Browns fan thinks is the place kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley leave as a FA?

How can that happen ? We might have to sign a scrub like Billy Cundiff again!


Well,when you put it like that, he's pretty much EXACTLY the kicking equivalent to Michael Stanley. Isn't he?


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Re: RG all in

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:42 am

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Re: RG all in

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:31 pm

jb wrote:If we miss him, it will be marginally.

And Cundiff is a better PK.

Much like all the wailing about Pontbriand by the doofus brigade, PK are mostly interchangeable. Peeps act like the wind only blows in CBS.


I get what you're saying and don't completely disagree (there's some interesting stats on kickers out there) but Phil Dawson has become a good kicker. There might not be an old timers league for boxing but like a fine wine Dawson has improved with age.

There may not be a point is prioritizing his spot on the team any more but I guess I see it as if PKs are so interchangeable why replace him with a Surrogate, I mean we already have him.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby HoodooMan » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:29 pm

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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:59 am

Seriously both of those games had incredibly Clevelandesque endings.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:20 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:Seriously both of those games had incredibly Clevelandesque endings.


Drop, Shank, Fumble? I think so. Lee Evans shoulda held onto that ball. Ravens shoulda called a TO to gather themselves, rather than rush a FG att. to force OT. Kyle Williams..... man, I wonder how Ted Ginn's feeling, knowing that if he were in there, they may have won.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:04 pm

LakeErieWarriors wrote:I wonder how Ted Ginn's feeling, knowing that if he were in there, they may have won.


I'm pretty sure Ted's having a bad case of deja vu.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:49 pm

I have to admit that was pretty epic. Got a good laugh out of the shank thinking of my post here & a text or two. Of all the gin joints....
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Triple-S » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:07 pm

You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:32 pm

Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Squints » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:11 am

peeker643 wrote:
Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?


I have this discussion every football season with my friends. You take away the fact that he is local and circumvented the system to get here, what do you have? A few good seasons, some fond memories, one epic playoff game (that we won). For most that would be enough. But in the end, disappointment- not the awe shucks kind- the jumping off the bridge kind (imagine if these boards existed 25 years ago). He's a qb who could only lead a team so far and in the end was beaten by a better qb, and whose career and skills slowly.......diminished.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:10 pm

Yikes, really hard to pin some of those losses on ole' Bern.

And honestly, i'll take above average and WANTS to be here/loves the city over the dickfaces we trot out there now.

(Part of the reason so many Clevelanders still have all the Colt Love; he hasn't shown anything but toughness, heart, and a desire to be here. (And a noodle arm/poor accuracy, but that's besides the point)
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:34 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?



Yes, folk hero. Well deserved.

Have yah SEEN the rafters at the Q for cry in' out loud?
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:38 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?


Yes, folk hero. Well deserved.

Have yah SEEN the rafters at the Q for cry in' out loud?


Ahh...the pygmy among midget theory in play here again.

I respectfully disagree. Casey Blake was viable for a longer period of time than Bernie :hide:

I'm not saying Bernie wasn't terrific for those two seasons and good for another. I'm saying we're really pathetic if that's all we're looking for from our heroes.

Ozzie? Absolutley.
Clay? For sure.
Minnie? Yep.

Bernie? Guess that local boy thing is all some folks need.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:39 pm

I liked Bernie as much as anyone but, if he doesn't throw 2 picks in the 1st qtr to go down 14-0 OTR, Byner's fumble never happens
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:54 pm

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?


Yes, folk hero. Well deserved.

Have yah SEEN the rafters at the Q for cry in' out loud?


Ahh...the pygmy among midget theory in play here again.

I respectfully disagree. Casey Blake was viable for a longer period of time than Bernie :hide:

I'm not saying Bernie wasn't terrific for those two seasons and good for another. I'm saying we're really pathetic if that's all we're looking for from our heroes.

Ozzie? Absolutley.
Clay? For sure.
Minnie? Yep.

Bernie? Guess that local boy thing is all some folks need.



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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:56 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Triple-S wrote:You know why there's a good reason for us to try to get a franchise QB?

I just had a friend on facebook literally post a video proclaiming DA the best QB the Browns have ever had.

Now, we're relativly the same age..but jesus, think how sad that is.


Dude- we give exalted folk hero status to a guy here who was good for four years and never won an AFC title game.

Fun years, productive, enjoyable. But folk hero?


Yes, folk hero. Well deserved.

Have yah SEEN the rafters at the Q for cry in' out loud?


Ahh...the pygmy among midget theory in play here again.

I respectfully disagree. Casey Blake was viable for a longer period of time than Bernie :hide:

I'm not saying Bernie wasn't terrific for those two seasons and good for another. I'm saying we're really pathetic if that's all we're looking for from our heroes.

Ozzie? Absolutley.
Clay? For sure.
Minnie? Yep.

Bernie? Guess that local boy thing is all some folks need.



Among pygmies, and possibly MoScratcher, you're handsome.


Now you're talking and making some sense.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:50 pm

Its likely RG3 will not throw a ball at the combine , instead focusing on his interviews, and 40 yrd Dash.

The reasoning behind this is he does not want to be throwing to "unfamiliar receivers" at the Combine.

Not sure exactly what to think about that but it tells me his people probably don't feel his mechanics are NFL ready yet.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:56 pm

Govbarney wrote:Its likely RG3 will not throw a ball at the combine , instead focusing on his interviews, and 40 yrd Dash.

The reasoning behind this is he does not want to be throwing to "unfamiliar receivers" at the Combine.

Not sure exactly what to think about that but it tells me his people probably don't feel his mechanics are NFL ready yet.


It tells me that the top prospects rarely do anything at the combine because they don't have to.

I swear that no one watched this guy play in college.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:19 pm

All I wanna see him do at the Combine is answer questions. Don't care about anything else as I already know he's an elite athlete.

Gimme size, weight, etc and then tell me about his ability to break down defenses.

If he ain't a fidget with an NFL learning disability then I'll lead the charge. Or be side by side with hiko and Souldawg (and that would make for a terrific photo for the TCF banner, btw).
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:39 pm

I was officially on the RG3 bandwagon before SD, don't front.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby pup » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:42 pm

Govbarney wrote:Its likely RG3 will not throw a ball at the combine , instead focusing on his interviews, and 40 yrd Dash.

The reasoning behind this is he does not want to be throwing to "unfamiliar receivers" at the Combine.

Not sure exactly what to think about that but it tells me his people probably don't feel his mechanics are NFL ready yet.


Ether is Andy Luck. His mechanics worry anyone?
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:52 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I was officially on the RG3 bandwagon before SD, don't front.



Maybe.... But I'm not standing next to you anywhere. Good way to get fragged.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:56 pm

pup wrote:
Govbarney wrote:Its likely RG3 will not throw a ball at the combine , instead focusing on his interviews, and 40 yrd Dash.

The reasoning behind this is he does not want to be throwing to "unfamiliar receivers" at the Combine.

Not sure exactly what to think about that but it tells me his people probably don't feel his mechanics are NFL ready yet.


Ether is Andy Luck. His mechanics worry anyone?


Luck could show up to the Combine and test positive for the HIV, and the Colts would still take him #1. RG3 has more to prove , maybe even more so if its shown that his height in the Baylor media guide was embellished.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:02 pm

Govbarney wrote:
pup wrote:
Govbarney wrote:Its likely RG3 will not throw a ball at the combine , instead focusing on his interviews, and 40 yrd Dash.

The reasoning behind this is he does not want to be throwing to "unfamiliar receivers" at the Combine.

Not sure exactly what to think about that but it tells me his people probably don't feel his mechanics are NFL ready yet.


Ether is Andy Luck. His mechanics worry anyone?


Luck could show up to the Combine and test positive for the HIV, and the Colts would still take him #1. RG3 has more to prove , maybe even more so if its shown that his height in the Baylor media guide was embellished.


Which he'll get plenty of chance to do at his Pro Day with his WR's choreographed the way he wants it.

His agent is quite right to have him skip the throwing session. That's only for guys that need to raise their stock.
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Re: RG all in

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Re: RG all in

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:41 pm

Getting tougher and tougher to not love everything you see, ain't it?


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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:11 pm

Meh, if he is 6'1 and 3/8" he will suck.

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Unread postby jta1975 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:18 pm

I am writing an article right now...I have moved past the simple question of what I think of him as a QB...I have studied all I have to study and the evidence is clear.

The question I have moved onto is simply about what I consider too much to give...No brainer at 4 but if I have to move up what is too much? That is what I am having trouble with now.
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:21 pm

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Kudos jta this is the clip I wanted peeks to see
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jta1975 wrote:I am writing an article right now...I have moved past the simple question of what I think of him as a QB...I have studied all I have to study and the evidence is clear.

The question I have moved onto is simply about what I consider too much to give...No brainer at 4 but if I have to move up what is too much? That is what I am having trouble with now.


First off, don't think anyone can match 4 + 22. Even if they want to throw in crap from next year. The difference between even 4 and 6 is huge to St. Louis. And I cannot imagine you have a problem with using 4 and 22 to get RG3 at this point, can you?

Me, I am working hard at getting them to take 4 and 37. But if push comes to shove and they love this kid as much as I think they will (breaks down defenses, measures appropriately, throws well at pro day....) I am not 100% convinced I could not be bullied into 4, 22 and 37.
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Unread postby jta1975 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:48 pm

Not jumping on any train or joining the RG3 or nothing club....this is the forum for all things Robert Griffin III and this is a really good article to start getting into how he thinks and carries himself.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/17370465/even-if-he-doesnt-throw-at-combine-rg3-still-eyeing-no-1
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Unread postby pup » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:55 pm

Still a piece of me that thinks Irsay is just crazy enough.

Keep Peyton. Let RG3 be mentored.
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pup wrote:
jta1975 wrote:I am writing an article right now...I have moved past the simple question of what I think of him as a QB...I have studied all I have to study and the evidence is clear.

The question I have moved onto is simply about what I consider too much to give...No brainer at 4 but if I have to move up what is too much? That is what I am having trouble with now.


First off, don't think anyone can match 4 + 22. Even if they want to throw in crap from next year. The difference between even 4 and 6 is huge to St. Louis. And I cannot imagine you have a problem with using 4 and 22 to get RG3 at this point, can you?

Me, I am working hard at getting them to take 4 and 37. But if push comes to shove and they love this kid as much as I think they will (breaks down defenses, measures appropriately, throws well at pro day....) I am not 100% convinced I could not be bullied into 4, 22 and 37.



The Browns are the jumping point so two things come into play...first relying on the integrity of the Rams if we say "let us know what your best offer is we will try and beat it".

The second is having to beat whatever offer is out there...draft value chart wise ideally to go up 2 spots (roughly 1200 points) I would like to trade a first next year and a second this year (I would throw in a one of the 4th round picks for good measure)

Then you could flip the 22 into a first next year and second this year...last year the Patriots traded their first round pick (28) so the Saints could get Ingram and that is what they got back in return...a second last year and a first this year...

If something like that could be pulled off you would be able to move up 2 spots get your guy and essentially give up a 4th round pick and draft position in the 2nd this year and first next year but still keep your first and second round picks.

Probably great conversation and based on realistic trades but too good to be true.... I will stick to the best case scenario in my mind which is Manning to Skins..Flynn to Dolphins...stay put and strike oil... or is that a bigger pipe dream than the trades?

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Re: RG all in

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:13 am

That does sound good jta. I might seem too good to be true, but it's also realistic.

Is there no other team to worry about other than the Skins and the DolphinsL
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby jta1975 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:36 am

motherscratcher wrote:That does sound good jta. I might seem too good to be true, but it's also realistic.

Is there no other team to worry about other than the Skins and the DolphinsL


Sure someone can fall in love with him like the Falcons did with Julio Jones or Ditka did with Ricky Williams but honestly I wouldn't want to compete with those guys anyway because they would more than likely over paying like the Browns made the Falcons do last year and personally I wouldn't want to beat their offers and give too much.

Some say the Seahawks could be players but if you look up and down the league, most teams have either a good veteran or a young guy still being evaluated...biggest threats will be Dolpins,Redskins, and maybe the Seahawks anybody else would be shocking the world to make a move like that.
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:12 am

Sherman talked up Tannehill recently. Makes more sense that they go with him, manning or flynn.

I'm hoping to god Snyder over pays for manning, and manning at this point isn't thinking about ring chasing and more about his bank account.

my question is..if the Phins and 'Skins are out of it, and so are the Seahawks (say they figure Tannehill or Flynn), do the Rams hold him hostage?
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Re: RG all in

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Triple-S wrote:Sherman talked up Tannehill recently. Makes more sense that they go with him, manning or flynn.

I'm hoping to god Snyder over pays for manning, and manning at this point isn't thinking about ring chasing and more about his bank account.

my question is..if the Phins and 'Skins are out of it, and so are the Seahawks (say they figure Tannehill or Flynn), do the Rams hold him hostage?


Never really seen a team do that (that I can remember)so I don't think so. Even the Chargers didn't really do that because they actually got a QB in the trade. Manning was drafted then traded for Rivers and a ransom but this would be a different scenario altogether.

If they pick RG3 everyone will know why and they immediately loose leverage because they won't have a choice but to trade one of those young QBs. Now, if it is one of those predetermined things like they do in the NBA where they draft players specifically for a trade with another team then we are entering a new era in the NFL. (I would love it, how much fun is that?)
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Re: RG all in

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:41 am

The Walrus is feeling the heat and it's not from the lit cigarette he dropped in the golf cart on a drunken binge. He is giving up 4 , 22, and a 4th this year or next. We will have RGIII. :) Lucky guy eh?

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