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Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:12 pm

Arrested in the Dominican Republic for identity theft/using a false identity/identity fraud.

Being reported by Enrique Rojas on Twitter. First reported by Yancen Pujols.

Real name is apparently Roberto Hernandez Heredia.
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Unread postby pup » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:22 pm

Any chance the guy that pitched in 2007 is the real Fausto and we get him back instead of this Roberto cat?
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Unread postby Jumbo » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:28 pm

And he's also 31 years old. Not 28.

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Unread postby pup » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:28 pm

GD Dolan will stop at nothing to not spend money. Now he has guys faking identities so they can make it look like they are spending money, when in fact they will get it all back.
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Unread postby idoctribefan » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:31 pm

So did he make up the identity? Or is there a real Fausto Carmona out there who finally convinced Dominican authorities that a national celebrity has been using his identity for at least 6 years?
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:35 pm

Yeah... I have no idea what's going on with all this.

Mind you, I don't really give a shit, so it might just be that...
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:36 pm

You'd think with the name Roberto Hernandez (Heredia), he'd have been better closer. Seeing as how the real Roberto Hernandez is 13th all-time in saves with 326.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Jumbo wrote:And he's also 31 years old. Not 28.

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Still willing to bet that's 4 years younger than Andy Marte.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:41 pm

I just spit coffee all over my desk when I read this on MLB TradeRumors.com

Maybe this is the Tribe's way of voiding that contract.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:47 pm

peeker643 wrote:Still willing to bet that's 4 years younger than Andy Marte.


When Marte was on the DL with that infected ingrown hair from 2010 (I think), I was walking from a parking lot on Carnegie down to the game. He was at that BP on the corner of 9th & Carnegie putting gas in his SUV.

I appreciated that episode of foreshadowing.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:57 pm

What's next, Grady Sizemore's real name is Dirk Diggler and he's 35?
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Unread postby shamwow imitator » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:00 pm

Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what his name is...what his age...just get fuckers out (as long as he's an Indian). Is this actually an issue that could void his contract? Or do you even WANT to void it? Not the pub I'm sure the Tribe brass wants to deal with this close to Spring Training (PISS) I love Cleveland sports :hide:
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Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:05 pm

shamwow imitator wrote:Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what his name is...what his age...just get fuckers out (as long as he's an Indian). Is this actually an issue that could void his contract? Or do you even WANT to void it? Not the pub I'm sure the Tribe brass wants to deal with this close to Spring Training (PISS) I love Cleveland sports :hide:


I hope they void it. I didn't think he was worth it when the re-upped him and believe they could better spend that money elsewhere. Like on a 1B.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:08 pm

Have to keep him for this year. They probably won't find 180+ IP for 7M at this point.

But safe to say they probably won't pick up his 2013 option.
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Unread postby neoleo » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:18 pm

My first post in the Tribe forum in at least a year, just because this is so awesome.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:31 pm

Rob Lowe reporting Fausto Carmona is really Keyser Soze.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:42 pm

If the back-end of our rotation weren't so thin, this could be a blessing in disguise because we could get out from under that contract and spend that money on a real upgrade. But unfortunately, we probably do have to keep him this season thanks to Carrasco's injury, the lack of depth, our limited trade chips, and the lateness of the offseason. If this news had come out two months ago, it could have been different.
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Unread postby gotribe31 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:52 pm

Forget voiding the contract...if he's under arrest in the DR, he's got bigger problems:
1) get out of jail
2) re-establish legal identity
3) get a valid DR passport
4) get a valid work visa to come back to the US under the new name/identity

#4 won't be easy
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:55 pm

^ are you stuck in London due to a similar issue Al? Because that would be awesome.

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Unread postby gotribe31 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:02 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:^ are you stuck in London due to a similar issue Al? Because that would be awesome.

If you are can we ship mother to stay with you?


Unfortuneatly, no, I'm back in the states. I'd almost rather be stuck in London right now though.

But you can ship Mother over, I'm sure the Brits would get a kick out of him.
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Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:14 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:If the back-end of our rotation weren't so thin, this could be a blessing in disguise because we could get out from under that contract and spend that money on a real upgrade. But unfortunately, we probably do have to keep him this season thanks to Carrasco's injury, the lack of depth, our limited trade chips, and the lateness of the offseason. If this news had come out two months ago, it could have been different.


^^^^That really sucks. On another note, throw a murder in there and we got a premise for some CSI:Miami type shit.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:21 pm

gotribe31 wrote:Forget voiding the contract...if he's under arrest in the DR, he's got bigger problems:
1) get out of jail
2) re-establish legal identity
3) get a valid DR passport
4) get a valid work visa to come back to the US under the new name/identity

#4 won't be easy


Yeah, he's not going to be in the US for spring training, that's for sure. I doubt if by the start of the season.

Who dropped a dime on him to the DR authorities? Huff? McAllister?
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Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:22 pm

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Unread postby Spin » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:51 pm

O I C
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Unread postby Jumbo » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:57 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:If the back-end of our rotation weren't so thin, this could be a blessing in disguise because we could get out from under that contract and spend that money on a real upgrade. But unfortunately, we probably do have to keep him this season thanks to Carrasco's injury, the lack of depth, our limited trade chips, and the lateness of the offseason. If this news had come out two months ago, it could have been different.


Even so, given how inconsistent ¿Fausto? has been the past few years, there's a good chance that, even with the lack of depth, Pena/Kotchman/Lee+Huff/Gomez/whoever > ¿Fausto? + LaPorta. A biggish upgrade at first, with possibly only a smallish downgrade at starting pitcher.

The big thing to figure out is how long it would take for him to be ready. If he's not going to be able to even work out until April-May, then let him go and look elsewhere.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:24 pm

gotribe31 wrote:4) get a valid work visa to come back to the US under the new name/identity

#4 won't be easy


Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oviedo didn't have a huge problem with it AFAIK. Of course, he had a much longer time frame to complete what he needed to since he got busted in September.

I'm interested to see how this plays out. Still better than a season-ending ACL tear.
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Unread postby idoctribefan » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:41 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:4) get a valid work visa to come back to the US under the new name/identity

#4 won't be easy


Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oviedo didn't have a huge problem with it AFAIK. Of course, he had a much longer time frame to complete what he needed to since he got busted in September.


According to an ESPN article updated yesterday, Oviedo's visa status is not taken care of yet.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/74717 ... mi-marlins

MIAMI -- Reliever Juan Carlos Oviedo avoided arbitration with the Miami Marlins by agreeing to a $6 million, one-year contract, but his visa status remains uncertain because he played under the assumed name of Leo Nunez until late last season.

Oviedo is working toward obtaining a visa in time to rejoin the Marlins, although it's not clear if he will be with the team by Opening Day. Miami hosts St. Louis on April 4.

"We're hopeful for that," Oviedo's agent, Andy Mota, said, according to the Miami Herald.
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Unread postby gotribe31 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:05 pm

idoctribefan wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:4) get a valid work visa to come back to the US under the new name/identity

#4 won't be easy


Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oviedo didn't have a huge problem with it AFAIK. Of course, he had a much longer time frame to complete what he needed to since he got busted in September.


According to an ESPN article updated yesterday, Oviedo's visa status is not taken care of yet.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/74717 ... mi-marlins

MIAMI -- Reliever Juan Carlos Oviedo avoided arbitration with the Miami Marlins by agreeing to a $6 million, one-year contract, but his visa status remains uncertain because he played under the assumed name of Leo Nunez until late last season.

Oviedo is working toward obtaining a visa in time to rejoin the Marlins, although it's not clear if he will be with the team by Opening Day. Miami hosts St. Louis on April 4.

"We're hopeful for that," Oviedo's agent, Andy Mota, said, according to the Miami Herald.


Honestly, it all depends on what he's convicted of in the DR and what he ends up being charged with, if anything, in the states. If we wanted, we could go after him for violation of 18 USC 1546(a), which concerns using false documents to apply for admission into the US and possibly 8 USC 1324a(b), which prohibits using a false doc for employment verification. Now, neither of these are "sexy" charges that get AUSA's all hot and bothered, and they're usually used for large scale document forgers and smugglers. But rest assured, if he was impersonating Juan Martinez or another random Dominican guy and he were caught, there's zero chance he'd ever be granted a visa to come back to the US.
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Unread postby andrew6586 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:12 pm

BREAKING NEWS: Andy Marte has announced that he is actually a 12 year old girl. It surprises no one who has seen him swing a bat.
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Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:06 pm

He chose to steal the name Fausto?

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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:12 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:^ are you stuck in London due to a similar issue Al? Because that would be awesome.

If you are can we ship mother to stay with you?


Unfortuneatly, no, I'm back in the states. I'd almost rather be stuck in London right now though.

But you can ship Mother over, I'm sure the Brits would get a kick out of him.


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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:16 pm

Why are so many people talking about using this as the perfect excuse for the Tribe to get out of his contract? Isn't he a club option this year as well as the next two?

If the Indians wanted to be rid of Fausto's contract they would have, you know, rid themselves of Fausto's contract.

One of the most attractive things about Fausto IS the contract.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:19 pm

Maybe they were counting on him getting his head and game right and developing some consistency before he turned 30.

Because that ain't happening.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:22 pm

Spin wrote:O I C


Exactly. O I C

And Miami. A month ago.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:24 pm

peeker643 wrote:Maybe they were counting on him getting his head and game right and developing some consistency before he turned 30.

Because that ain't happening.


I'd say that anyone counting on that would have to be an extreme optimist anyway.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:41 pm

His mediocrity is outweighed only by how erratic he is. It's also outweighed by his, well, weight...
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:44 pm

WiscTribeFan wrote:I just spit coffee all over my desk when I read this on MLB TradeRumors.com




I just sighed and hope to myself that Asdruabl isnt really a 45 year old Venezuelan woman.
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Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:04 pm

If we suspend him that frees up $7 mil for a new starter. Millwood anyone? Harden would be nice but he can't stay healthy. Webb? Francis? Those guys want multiple years. Oswalt? No thanks. $15 mil. for a bad back isn't something we need.

Maybe we can swing a trade for Westbrook. He'd fit the sinkerball mold and supposedly the Cards would be willing to deal him.

We're gonna get somebody, no way they start the season with 7 starters with MLB experience. Huff at your #6 is scary.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:33 pm

If you are gonna have an ERA in the fives, and throw 1200 pitches every 6 innings, thus putting your infielders to sleep, how the hell is ANY contract team friendly.

As a rule, I'm all for letting guys go that pretty much stink.

Been shittin' in one hand, hopin' in the other for years with this guy now.

Let some other team take him, and he'll have one game a month where their fans will go "SEE, WHAT A PICK-UP, HE'S FINDING IT...." and several Tribe fans will go "WHAT IDIOTS FOR LETTING HIM GO, I KNEW HE'D RECAPTURE IT...."

And then at the end of the year we all can reflect on those half dozen good starts surrounded by suck.

Again.
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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:51 pm

What's AP style for this? Is Tom Withers going to have to refer to him with quotation marks around his name from here on out? The Pitcher Formerly Known as Fausto?
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby chitowntribephan » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:00 am

Knew that guy was a phony.

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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:56 am

Wtf!!! :gah:

Just heard my local sports guy end his segment with Fausto was arrested for using a fake name of... Fausto Carmona. Wow. Only in Cleveland
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:07 am

Lets looks at the bright side... if they void his contract, we are a shoe in to sign Prince Fielder now.

Now if some big overweight guy walks into Chris's office. Is that really Prince Fielder or just some other big overweight fella? Only in Cleveland.
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:48 am

ERA over the last 4 years averages out to 5.2 Got about 15 less wins than losses over that same period, and it wasn't due to run support. If the ability to pitch a ton of innings is just about your only positive, you probably suck. Turns out he's 31, not going to be any better than he was last year, cut your losses and get rid of him.
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby dpdad » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:00 pm

No big deal, guys. The Tribe can just call up White or Pomerantz from the minors to replace him.

What's that, you say? Never mind.
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:15 pm

I suppose the question becomes--assuming his contract could be voidable--is how to evaluate his value going forward. The Indians were wise to pick up the option on 28-year old Fausto, who had shown flashes of effectiveness and still had at least marginal upside. I don't think the same can be said for 31-year old Roberto Hernandez Heredia. I'd say "Fausto's" recent performances is what would be expected going forward--and don't forget, also, that he hasn't shown a lot of mental fortitude in pressure situations. I rather doubt he'll handle this well. Bottom line, I'd say his production is nothing that couldn't be equalled or even surpassed by Huff/Gomez/etc. at a much cheaper rate, as well. The only thing this development truly impacts is our depth, which does take a hit.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:23 pm

Adverb Harry hit exactly what I was thinking on the head. The guy's a ticking time bomb mentally who hasn't handled pressure since 2007. What does this distraction do for his mindset? It may not be an issue because we might not have him all season.
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Unread postby idoctribefan » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:51 pm

Has Ubaldo renewed his visa yet this winter?
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Re: Fausto Carmona is Not Fausto Carmona

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:48 pm

Fausto \

fa(us)-to\ as a boy's name is a variant of Faust (Latin), and the meaning of Fausto is "fortunate, enjoying good luck".

::doh:: <<<< Fausto... Um, I mean Roberto
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