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by rebelwithoutaclue » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:40 pm
by rebelwithoutaclue » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:45 pm
by statmasta » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:51 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Game's already over but I DVR'ed it and watched the whole thing after I got off work at 3 PM.; Cavs pulled it out at the end and won 102-94. Kyrie was his usual sensational self with a great all-around game; 25 pts, 7 assists, 4 rebounds and 1 each of steals/blocks. As per usual he could get to the hoop at will and was effective with either hand. They were down 16 in the 3rd put were led by a very surprising guy, Omri Casspi, who had 3 or 4 and-1's in the 3rd quarter alone and finished 14/7/2 on 4-8 shooting. His line was good but his shot still looked horrible and he badly missed both of his 3-point attempts. Also clocking in the "Not Utterly Useless" category for the first time this game was Semih Erden with 5 points, 6 rebounds and something resembling a post game. I can't remember, was that a 3-5 or 4-4 road trip? Regardless they played very well, albeit against some of the lesser teams again. Overall they have one of the weaker schedules in the league but are still looking good. Even with the lockout and lack of true training camp, they're coming together pretty quickly.
by statmasta » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:52 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Also, former Buckeye Byron (or BJ if you're nasty) Mullens is looking like a legitimate NBA player. When he first declared after his freshman season I thought it was a huge mistake and he would wash out after his rookie contract. Low and behold he's actually starting for the JordanCats and looking good. He's been good on the boards and has a surprising array of offensive moves, though his range is not as deep as he thinks it is as he, also, badly missed on 2 three-point attempts (he did make 1).
by LakeErieWarriors » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:16 pm
by StewieG » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:22 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:34 pm
by StewieG » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:11 am
by Orenthal » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:32 am
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:08 am
by JJN » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:33 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Boobie was one of the best perim defenders two years ago and should have gotten a shot at Rondo in the playoffs. People that talk about his bad D didn't bother to pay attention over the last few years as he has steadily improved every year and was 100x better than Mo.
StewieG wrote:Couple observations:Kyrie's getting destroyed on the defensive side. He really has to work hard on that part of his game. On the flip side, Boobie's quietly become a very effective defender. Did not see that one coming.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:55 pm
by JJN » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:34 pm
by SDM » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:19 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:30 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:31 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:33 pm
SDM wrote:These guys are still winning too much.
by JJN » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:10 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:And sacrifice all floor spacing so Kyrie can run into brick walls around the lane!!!!TT 4 LIFE
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:17 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:21 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:56 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:35 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:05 pm
LakeErieWarriors wrote:Give him time e0, what did he do to you anyway, steal your car?
by JJN » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:58 pm
Sure is no better way to turn a player into an LBJ like ball pounder than making him run around with scrubs that can't score!!
by e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:12 am
by pup » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:18 am
by e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:49 am
by pup » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:05 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Just like when I drank h8teraid and said Kyrie isn't a franchise player in the Rose/Howard/LBJ/etc al mold Pup, there is no middle-ground between saying a player sucks and calling them amazing here.It's unreal.The concepts of average, above average and role players have just disappeared and yielded me getting shit for comparing Kyrie to the 4-8 PGs in the league and calling him the PG version of Al Horford (you know, incredibly consistent and All-Star regular Horford).Now it's the same shit with TT.Fuck me, I'm not saying anything overly negative about either of these kids. TT has a role and a base to develop and Kyrie is pretty effin good.These are the same people that pretend like Alonzo Gee has a future in the league....
by Orenthal » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:00 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:05 pm
by Orenthal » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:14 pm
by Prosecutor » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:47 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:05 pm
by pup » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:12 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:THE MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT HE SHOOTS 30% FROM FACE-UP SITUATIONS AND TAKS OVER 50% OF HIS SHOTS FACING UP BECAUSE HE HAS NO POST GAME.effing christ
by e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:42 pm
by pup » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:53 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Sure, but what would you suggest they tell him to do on offense? The magical moves Pros claims he will develop to score in 1 on 1 situations that he doesn't have in any way? The non-existence back to the basket game he can't rely on? The lack of a real understanding of how to run the P & R?The kid is Andy on offense. It's not the end of the world but there is no "DERP DERP, HE CAN'T SHOOT FT'S WHICH IS THE REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE HE WILL MAGICALLY DEVELOP A GO TO ONE ON ONE MOVE!!! DERP DERP!!!"I just don't understand. I really don't.
by peeker643 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:54 pm
by YahooFanChicago » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:44 am
by e0y2e3 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:12 am
YahooFanChicago wrote:I am not sure why people are willing to say that Kyrie can't be a franchise player down the road?I am not an NBA expert or anything but living in Chicago I watch D Rose play a lot.The initial parallels to him and Kyrie are substantial.In Chicago there were many mis-informed fans wanting the Bulls to draft Beasely over D Rose because D Rose "could be good and an important piece but not an Alpha Dog, franchise player". Sounds really familiar right? Replace D Rose with Kyrie and replace Beasely with Williams.Also, the D Rose we see now that won the NBA MVP is definitely not the same guy we all saw in 2008. D Rose had no range at all coming into the league but he has worked on that part of his game and has kind of improved.DRose played a full season at Memphis and spent the summer on the "select team" scrimaging against the USA Olympic team before he joined the league. He came in much more experienced, fit and seasoned than Kyrie. In spite of the extra experience that D Rose had going into his rookie year and in spite of playing a lot more average minutes than Kyrie, Kyrie's numbers are better than D Roses were his rookie season.I don't know if Kyrie can be the franchise player or not but I really think it is much too early to eliminate that possibility.
by leadpipe » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:40 am
by Orenthal » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:44 am
by Prosecutor » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:18 pm
peeker643 wrote:Nothing to understand, really. Just continue on the Andy trajectory. If Andy wasn't a Cav no one would know who he was and no one would appreciate the fact he hustles and plays hard compared to the fact he has no offensive skills.I'm thinking he's on the Andy trajectory as well. He's a little shorter but compensates with the long arms and much better vertical. His defensive upside may be higher due to the shot blocking potential, but like I said, he needs to pick his spots better.Same thing with TT. He's JAG on any other roster. If it was the Bobcats that spent the 4th pick on an athletic, offensively challenged college freshman no one would be projecting shit from TT down the road and they'd be asking why Charlotte used a 4th pick on that. Here he's the incredibly athletic little acorn that will become the mighty oak with some time and coaching. Possibly a mighty oak on defense (I'm hoping for something Rodmanesque), but his offense will be limited to rebounding and finishing off guard penetration. At the risk of being acccused of rampant homerism, I feel that with his combinations of quickness, strength, and jumping ability he will be able, with "time and coaching", to develop one "decent" move from the low post. Not an unstoppable move, not an arsenal of moves that will get him 20 ppg, just one decent face-up move he can use when the shot clock is expiring and he's stuck with the ball. Sorry if that doesn't come across as objective enough, but I don't think it's unrealistic. A fan base of built of rampant homers who also suffer from abused-wife syndrome aren't going to be the most objective group.
by Larvell Blanks » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 pm
by Prosecutor » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:09 pm
Larvell Blanks wrote:^Give me a TT and his potential Rodmanesque upside once this team has a player (or 2) who can consistently score besides Kyrie. TT is a nice piece to bring off your bench to provide a spark and some D and a point here or there. There are a lot worse ways to earn a living. Wasn't LBJ developing his game every off season when he was here but yet when the season started.......
by Larvell Blanks » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:34 am
by Prosecutor » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:34 pm
Larvell Blanks wrote:^ TT will not/should not be a starter unless this team has D Howard scoring down low and K Bryant scoring off the wing and Irving dishing the ball.
by Larvell Blanks » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:40 pm
by Orenthal » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:44 pm
by SDM » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:56 pm
by Prosecutor » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:11 pm
SDM wrote:Just happy these guys are finally losing.
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