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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:21 pm

So McCoy was the problem? huh.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:24 pm

peeker643 wrote:Now I fully expect a Skelton INT.


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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Triple-S wrote:So McCoy was the problem? huh.


None of the numerous other problems have changed.

McCoy's just not the answer.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:32 pm

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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby yogi » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:36 pm

Wallace must only have 1 read, Ive yet to see him not stare down reciever and throw. Exception on the Little TD since he was running for his life because of that nice lookout block by our RT.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Spin » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:48 pm



I'd break that...
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:50 pm

Looked like a fumble to me.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:53 pm

How do you fuck up a call on instant replay?

I guess a thank you is in order.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:53 pm

Thank God. Punch it in, Beanie.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:53 pm

OK...here comes the implosion. I feel better now.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:54 pm

peeker643 wrote:Looked like a fumble to me.

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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:55 pm

Great job by the defense there.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby yogi » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:57 pm

peeker643 wrote:Looked like a fumble to me.


With all due respect, WTF did you and the refs see?

I saw Wallaces's hand hot and the ball pop.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:00 pm

This is where our head coach makes the difference. Leslo...Browns version.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Spin » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:00 pm

Triple-S wrote:So McCoy was the problem? huh.


They're driving more effectively, and I see less dropped passes. Whether that had anything to do with Colt or not...
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:02 pm

Seems like Seneca is more decisive, if nothing else. Less time with the ball in his hands. That being said.....he's worked in this system before, so we all expected that.

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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:03 pm

You gotta look for the ball Joe.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:04 pm

Sheldon, you gotta catch those...
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:04 pm

Can someone "Harrison" Heap please?
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:04 pm

There's such a fine art to playing well enough to keep your job, but still lose.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:06 pm

Seneca Wallace looks like the spitting image of Colt McCoy when he's running for his life.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:07 pm

Ya, this seems about right. The Browns lose in the last two minutes and Patty can talk about how much "heart" the team played with for all 60 minutes today.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Lubber » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:08 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:Seems like Seneca is more decisive, if nothing else. Less time with the ball in his hands. That being said.....he's worked in this system before, so we all expected that.

There's an awful lot to take away from this game.

How about the fact that we have our MVP from last year back in the lineup? With Hillis back in the fold, it definitely opens up the passing game. That is the difference today on offense. Not like we exactly lit them up or anything.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:08 pm

yogi wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Looked like a fumble to me.


With all due respect, WTF did you and the refs see?

I saw Wallaces's hand hot and the ball pop.


I thought the ball was coming out before he went down but my post was 'real time'. After seeing it in replay sure looked like back of hand hit first.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:10 pm

So Zastudil is gonna be the Browns killer today....seems poetic.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:10 pm

SHUR.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:10 pm

Browns playing to not lose in regulation.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:12 pm

I FUCKING HATE PAT SHURMER.

edit - sorry to yell at you guys. :group: We're in this together.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:12 pm

fucking idiots.....same shit different year.....
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby yogi » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:12 pm

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peeker643 wrote:Looked like a fumble to me.


With all due respect, WTF did you and the refs see?

I saw Wallaces's hand hot and the ball pop.


I thought the ball was coming out before he went down but my post was 'real time'. After seeing it in replay sure looked like back of hand hit first.


But by rule. you and the refs were right. They claim that the back of ther hand is the same as the front on the hand , which means he wasnt down.

Bullshit rule. Front of hand means your still scrambling, back of the hand, means you are down. oh well.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:14 pm

Seneca Wallace is a fucking idiot. Go to the ground and have them burn that TO, asshole.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:17 pm

we won something!!!!
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby justmebd » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:22 pm

The only real difference I've seen between McCoy and Wallace is that Wallace has more experience.

Other than that, both QBs have to deal with jailbreaks and WRs who drop passes.

Wallace does have the 2010 version of Peyton Hillis today, so that's nice.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:24 pm

Wow, that was a slop pass.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:27 pm

End the game already...
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:27 pm

there it is. Was waiting for that moment, thanks Zona!
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby yogi » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:29 pm

4th spot in the NFL draft is still in play.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Noodle » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:30 pm

The choke has been completed.

Shurmur's presser should be good.
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Re: Browns/Zona

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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:41 pm

Thank Jeebus they kept it under 38.

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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby justmebd » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:42 pm

I'm not trying to say McCoy is a future Hall-of-Famer, but anyone who thought McCoy was the problem should be a lot more educated now.

This is a piss-poor coaching staff putting a mediocre team on the field. The O-Line sucks and our WRs can't catch a cold.

Meanwhile, Mike Holmgren is trying to blame everybody else for all the problems and showing what a leader he is by saying the media is creating all the negativity around the team.

Fuck Holmgren. He's a washed up has-been in over his head as a front office guy who hired a fucking idiot who's in over his head to be his head coach.

There, I said it.

I hope RG3 and/or Barkley get drafted by the Browns and then Eli Manning us so the powers that be finally wake up and realize they suck donkey balls.

Nothing will change until Randy Lerner sells the team to an owner who cares.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby DrPoove » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:47 pm

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Triple-S wrote:So McCoy was the problem? huh.

None of the numerous other problems have changed.

McCoy's just not the answer.

This.

Seneca Wallace looked OK today but those who think that Colt McCoy is the Browns' only problem on O are morons.

Colt isn't the answer but he isn't the not the only reason this offense looks like a giant turd every week.

Also, someone please put Tony Pashos out to pasture and shoot him. Tired of seeing him out there. SSDD.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby mattvan1 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:50 pm

peeker643 wrote:Seneca Wallace looks like the spitting image of Colt McCoy when he's running for his life.


Seneca McCoy
Colt Wallace

Big old bowl full of feh.

Nice game because we got to see that Wallace isn't all that > than McCoy, which means nothing except neither is the answer.

I would opt for Wallace over McCoy the rest of the way because Seneca is more athletic, has a stronger arm and can grow facial hair. It is less disturbing to see a grown man run for his life than someone who is not old enough to have a valid DPS issued driving license.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby General » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:01 pm

Thank God it's almost over. Please someone buy this team and disband them.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:04 pm

DrPoove, Love the sig Booker Man!

There are two guys on the Cards you can't let beat you and the Browns were doing a good job of that until the last couple plays of the game. Peterson and Fitzgerald made the plays like big time players do and the Cards win. Which it pains me to say is fine with me. I really only care about them beating the Steelers and Ravens at this point.

Greg Little looked like he really came to play today not sure if you can say he seemed to want to play harder for Wallace then McCoy?
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:31 pm

justmebd wrote:I'm not trying to say McCoy is a future Hall-of-Famer, but anyone who thought McCoy was the problem should be a lot more educated now.

This is a piss-poor coaching staff putting a mediocre team on the field. The O-Line sucks and our WRs can't catch a cold.

Meanwhile, Mike Holmgren is trying to blame everybody else for all the problems and showing what a leader he is by saying the media is creating all the negativity around the team.

Fuck Holmgren. He's a washed up has-been in over his head as a front office guy who hired a fucking idiot who's in over his head to be his head coach.

There, I said it.

I hope RG3 and/or Barkley get drafted by the Browns and then Eli Manning us so the powers that be finally wake up and realize they suck donkey balls.

Nothing will change until Randy Lerner sells the team to an owner who cares.


Nicely done. WTF was with the play-calling with 1:05 left in the 4th? Run, run, pass, was that a cluster of not knowing whether to kill the clock or just our normal offense? Fuck Shurmur.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:51 pm

Why are we sticking with this guy as head coach again?

that's the real question here.

I hate to say it,but if you're hired to replace a man like Mangini, your goal is to do better than what he has done, not worse.

If you can see it from a mile away that the dude can't coach, pull the fucking plug already. Don't stick us through back to back seasons of 4-10, 6-10, 5-11, and another fucking rebuild again.

Simple. Easy.

He's a fucking bum.

Get a QB, and lose this guy.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby pup » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:03 pm

So since the Browns still did nothing with Seneca Wallace, it proves the problem is not Colt McCoy?

Are you guys fucking mad? Seneca Wallace is terrible. Being "about the same" as Seneca Wallace gets guys cut from most organizations. It gets someone bronzed around these parts.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:15 pm

Triple-S wrote:Why are we sticking with this guy as head coach again?

that's the real question here.

I hate to say it,but if you're hired to replace a man like Mangini, your goal is to do better than what he has done, not worse.

If you can see it from a mile away that the dude can't coach, pull the fucking plug already. Don't stick us through back to back seasons of 4-10, 6-10, 5-11, and another fucking rebuild again.

Simple. Easy.

He's a fucking bum.

Get a QB, and lose this guy.


Every game you start with SHUR as HC you're already down 14 points. They have to play perfectly despite him to win.
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Re: Browns/Zona

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:18 pm

pup wrote:So since the Browns still did nothing with Seneca Wallace, it proves the problem is not Colt McCoy?

Are you guys fucking mad? Seneca Wallace is terrible. Being "about the same" as Seneca Wallace gets guys cut from most organizations. It gets someone bronzed around these parts.


Was wonderin' when someone was gonna bring this up.

Christ, if you're goal is to stick in the league, one of the comparisons you DON'T want is Seneca Wallace. Cause he stinks.

Yeah, more athletic. But still stinks.

And I'm not sure where all the "TOLD YOU COLT'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM" guys are really comin' from. Very few here have claimed that. I think the majority are along the lines of Colt kinda being lukewarm, and not really showing us anything special we can hang a hat on.

Personally, I've seen a full season worth of starts, and I'm not sure I could tell you what the guy does WELL. And I understand the supporting cast, and the organization that checks him in eyes a glaze, but at some point I gotta se a little sumpin' sumpin'.

And it was like old times in that Packers Chiefs tilt, when ole' Romeo threw the challenge flag when his receiver was ruled out of bounds. Guy had one foot in and one foot in the 3rd row of the bleachers and Romey chucked it on out there.
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