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2012 Draft

Unread postby MOSER » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:46 am

As in typical Browns fashion, I am already looking forward to the draft. Right now we have the 6th pick, but I have a hunch it will be #4 in a few weeks. Who do you want? Is there anyone who can make an immediate impact and turn this shit hole franchise around? I think Trent Richardson will be there and we desperately need a "stud" running back (see Ray Rice, MJD, Peterson, etc.) For the love of God, just don't trade down!!! What do you think?
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:56 am

1st Pick: RG3,Barkley,Kalil,Richardson
2nd Pick: Floyd,Teo,Zebrie Sanders
3rd Pick: Mike Adams,David, McNutt
4th Pick: Devier Posey
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pup » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:29 pm

MOSER wrote:As in typical Browns fashion, I am already looking forward to the draft. Right now we have the 6th pick, but I have a hunch it will be #4 in a few weeks. Who do you want? Is there anyone who can make an immediate impact and turn this shit hole franchise around? I think Trent Richardson will be there and we desperately need a "stud" running back (see Ray Rice, MJD, Peterson, etc.) For the love of God, just don't trade down!!! What do you think?


10-3, 4-9, 2-11.

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:31 pm

1st Pick: Blackmon
2nd Pick: DeCastro (OG from Stanford)

I don't know enough about this class yet to make a educated guess after the first round.
But I think they need to target another DB, and if Kirk Cousins is still on the board in the 4th I grab him as a developmental prospect.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby swerb » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:40 pm

I'm leery about drafting RBs and WRs high. If you look at the teams that have been historically good year in and year out (Indy, Pitt, GB, NE, NO) ... they're able to fill those spots with veterans, free agents, and guys picked outside the top 20-30 picks. Plus, to me, RB and WR are both positions where I prefer to have guys that are a little experienced and handle the ball so often.

Priority A - FIND A FRANCHISE QB

After that, I'd build the lines with this team. Try and find an alpha dog OLB that can get to the QB. Obviously, what they do in FA will also impact the draft. Regardless of who is here, I expect the Browns to be BIG players in FA this off-season.

On the QB thing though, a lot of teams have the same idea as us. Heard one of the Dolphins beat reporters on XM last night. He said, unequivocally, that the Dolphins first order of business will be to hire a proven big name HC to help fill that stadium. And the early canning of Sparano is so they can get a jump start on that. And then they will turn their attention to doing whatever they can to land a franchise QB in the draft.

Like us, Washington and Miami are both storied organizations with very frustrated fan bases that haven't had a franchise QB in forever. Both orgs are gonna be willign to give up dollars and picks to get a RG3. Luck and RG3 will go #1/#2 in this draft. Take it to the bank.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:49 pm

My first 3 wishlist

Lawrence Claiborne, CB

Devon Still, DT/Quinten Coples RDE

Vontaze Burfict , Enforcer

I'm sorry.....I know the prefrence of most but....I'm all in on D, and O in FA

...and Te'o is going back to school. Said so yesterday
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:54 pm

Damn. (on Teo)

Buflict is a beast, but he's gotta be #1 in this class's "most likely to go to jail" list....
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:07 pm

The Browns will just fuck up this this draft too.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:44 pm

Does anyone really think the Browns are going to make a big move up in the draft. The Redskins and Dolphins are more likely to do whatever it takes to get Barkley and RG3 if they are not ahead of the Browns by the end of the year. I can see both teams giving up way too much like a Rickey Williams type deal too much to get one of the two Qb's. I can't or don't want to see the Browns go this way in the draft. I instead would actually love for the Browns to be on the other end of this and be the team trading with the Dolphins or Redskins to get more picks and only drop down 1 to 3 spots in the draft to gain more picks in this draft and hopefully the 2013 draft.

This team is not ready to turn the corner so drafting what we think is a franchise qb is only going to be the kiss of death with this head coach for another year. We still need to build and get other pieces before we can even consider a QB being successful on this team.

Can someone produce a link to the Te'O going back to school story Thanks, Was really hoping to land this guy with the Falcons pick. If not would hope to get Bufclit he would bring some much need attitude and toughness to the team. Fujita or whoever you spell his name is not going to cut it anymore as a starting LB on this team.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:49 pm

(12:01 AM): Irish LB to stay in school … Notre Dame junior Manti Te’o, projected to be one of the first 2-3 players off the board at the 2012 draft if he were to turn pro, says he will return to school for his senior season next fall. Te’o leads the team with 115 tackles, including 13 for loss and 4.5 sacks.

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Ziner » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Te'o is a stud, love watching that kid play.

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2011/12/11/t ... or-season/

I like RG3 at 4 and Floyd at 19
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:06 pm

Ziner wrote:Te'o is a stud, love watching that kid play.

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2011/12/11/t ... or-season/

I like RG3 at 4 and Floyd at 19


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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby bookelly » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:05 pm

Of course ya'll know the Browns are gonna fuck this up and beat Arizona Sunday.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:27 pm

swerb wrote:Luck and RG3 will go #1/#2 in this draft. Take it to the bank.


If TCF Fearless Leader is correct, the cost of trading up would be too steep. As much as Luck or RG3 would look good in the orange-and-brown, this team has far too many other holes and hardly any depth, to boot. But if Barkley is available at #4 (or wherever the Browns end up), Heckert should take a low-risk flyer on him.

Otherwise, quoth Maverick: "I feel the need...the need for speed." OLB, WR, FS, RG, in that order.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby swerb » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:35 pm

bookelly wrote:Of course ya'll know the Browns are gonna fuck this up and beat Arizona Sunday.

This is one of the biggest games in recent Browns history. They gotta lose.

Fully expecting them to get Sanduskied and win in some weird way.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Pabo » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:18 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The Browns will just fuck up this this draft too.


Yes. I don't know why Browns fans continue to be so passionate about the draft. I cannot imagine that any team gets less value out of draft picks than our Brownies. I see no reason to think that will change any time soon.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:55 am

Pabo wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The Browns will just fuck up this this draft too.


Yes. I don't know why Browns fans continue to be so passionate about the draft. I cannot imagine that any team gets less value out of draft picks than our Brownies. I see no reason to think that will change any time soon.


Well, I'd argue the last 2 drafts, but that would just be too objective.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby mistero » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:56 am

Do I watch the Cardinals game and root against the Browns or do I just pace around the house checking scores on the laptop??

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby mistero » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:01 am

1. Joe Haden (Round One, Pick Seven)
2. T.J. Ward (Round Two, Pick 38)

3. Montario Hardesty (Round Two, Pick 59)
4. Colt McCoy (Round Three, Pick 85)

5. Shawn Lauvao (Round Three, Pick 92)
6. Larry Asante (Round Five, Pick 160)
7. Carlton Mitchell (Round Six, Pick 177)
8. Clifton Geathers (Round Six, Pick 186)


First Round - 21st overall: Phil Taylor (DT) Baylor
Second Round - 37th overall: Jabaal Sheard (DE) Pittsburgh
Second Round - 59th overall: Greg Little (WR) North Carolina

Fourth Round - 102nd overall: Jordan Cameron (TE) USC
Fourth Round - 124th overall: Owen Marecic (FB) Stanford

Fifth Round - 137th overall: Buster Skrine (CB) Tennessee-Chattanooga
Fifth Round - 150th overall: Jason Pinkston (OL) Pittsburgh
Seventh Round - 248th overall: Eric Hagg (S/CB) Nebraska



11 useful players, maybe Taylor ,Sheard and Haden being the only legit starters, but still not too bad for the annual crapshoot.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:47 am

mistero wrote:1. Joe Haden (Round One, Pick Seven)
2. T.J. Ward (Round Two, Pick 38)

3. Montario Hardesty (Round Two, Pick 59)
4. Colt McCoy (Round Three, Pick 85)

5. Shawn Lauvao (Round Three, Pick 92)
6. Larry Asante (Round Five, Pick 160)
7. Carlton Mitchell (Round Six, Pick 177)
8. Clifton Geathers (Round Six, Pick 186)


First Round - 21st overall: Phil Taylor (DT) Baylor
Second Round - 37th overall: Jabaal Sheard (DE) Pittsburgh
Second Round - 59th overall: Greg Little (WR) North Carolina

Fourth Round - 102nd overall: Jordan Cameron (TE) USC
Fourth Round - 124th overall: Owen Marecic (FB) Stanford

Fifth Round - 137th overall: Buster Skrine (CB) Tennessee-Chattanooga
Fifth Round - 150th overall: Jason Pinkston (OL) Pittsburgh
Seventh Round - 248th overall: Eric Hagg (S/CB) Nebraska



11 useful players, maybe Taylor ,Sheard and Haden being the only legit starters, but still not too bad for the annual crapshoot.


TJ Ward and Greg Little are also legit starters. Pinkston's playing OK right now. Lauvao and Marecic will probably be starters next year whether you like it or not. Can't complain about 4th rounders and lower not all hitting (well, one could, but they would sound silly doing it).
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby mistero » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:55 am

Yeah, I was trying to say the drafts have been better than I thought. My only real beef is with the 4th round last year. We didn't need a FB or TE, and we got two stinkers at the positions we didn't even need.

Small beef, that's all. Oh and the trading up for Hardesty and Taylor...didn't like that at all.

Heckert still cool with me though.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:00 am

We'd probably like it less had the Ravens taken Phil Taylor as they were purported to be prepared to do had the Browns not traded up. The Hardesty trade-up looks less good in retrospect, but injuries have pretty much derailed that career.

But a glaring lack of David Veikunes and Brian Robiskies in the 2nd Round.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby CP » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:22 pm

I think Cameron is really raw but has receiving skills that will prove useful. I seem to recall that he was one of the most physically-gifted of any of the draft-eligible TEs. Maybe we will see some of him now that Watson has another concussion. Alex Smith really has no value if he continues the trend of attempting to block the wrong defender.

He only has one year at tight end under his belt and there was no real offseason program for him to learn anything.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:01 pm

CP wrote:I think Cameron is really raw but has receiving skills that will prove useful. I seem to recall that he was one of the most physically-gifted of any of the draft-eligible TEs. Maybe we will see some of him now that Watson has another concussion. Alex Smith really has no value if he continues the trend of attempting to block the wrong defender.

He only has one year at tight end under his belt and there was no real offseason program for him to learn anything.


I feel this way too, but you'd think that someone with superior talent would see the field more often at this point, especially since the season is dead. He's either not getting it done in practice or the coaching staff is too retarded to use him properly (which is not unlikely).
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Pabo » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:42 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
Pabo wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The Browns will just fuck up this this draft too.


Yes. I don't know why Browns fans continue to be so passionate about the draft. I cannot imagine that any team gets less value out of draft picks than our Brownies. I see no reason to think that will change any time soon.


Well, I'd argue the last 2 drafts, but that would just be too objective.


Yeah, well, the last two drafts look a little better, but I would contend that it's mainly because some of those fellows are actually still here. In a couple years' time, these drafts may very well look like so many of the others. I personally am not 100% sold on any these picks, with the possible exception of Jabaal Sheard. I realize mine is not the popular opinion, and I hope I'm wrong.

The Browns certainly are not winning any more games since these two most recent drafts took place.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:52 pm

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:12 pm

Pabo wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
Pabo wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The Browns will just fuck up this this draft too.


Yes. I don't know why Browns fans continue to be so passionate about the draft. I cannot imagine that any team gets less value out of draft picks than our Brownies. I see no reason to think that will change any time soon.


Well, I'd argue the last 2 drafts, but that would just be too objective.


Yeah, well, the last two drafts look a little better, but I would contend that it's mainly because some of those fellows are actually still here. In a couple years' time, these drafts may very well look like so many of the others. I personally am not 100% sold on any these picks, with the possible exception of Jabaal Sheard. I realize mine is not the popular opinion, and I hope I'm wrong.

The Browns certainly are not winning any more games since these two most recent drafts took place.


It's hard to win a lot more games when your inconsistent QB play remains inconsistent. This spin cycle of suck will continue until they fix that.

And I suppose you could be right about the draft picks. I know I thought Sean Jones and Eric Wright and Kameron Wimbley were gonna be great after a year or two, and they all washed out (at least as far as being anything more than run-of-the-mill).

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby bucknutz94 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:50 pm

mistero wrote:Do I watch the Cardinals game and root against the Browns or do I just pace around the house checking scores on the laptop??

How great is it to be a Browns fan?



Easy for me, I have Beanie Wells going with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. Hoping for a Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Jamaal Lewis type performance from Beanie.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pup » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:56 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:http://nflmocks.com/2011/12/12/updated-2012-nfl-mock-draft-where-does-rg3-land/


As much as I agree LB is a need, in that scenario it would be hard to pass up Kirkpatrick.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:26 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:http://nflmocks.com/2011/12/12/updated-2012-nfl-mock-draft-where-does-rg3-land/


Oooooo, there's a "projected trade" in that one.

That's so cute.

EDIT: Also, no way in Hell will the Browns be picking at 8, not unless Seneca leads them to a win Sunday.

And, it is truly sad that the Browns can be as bad as they've been and still be no higher than #8 currently. There are a ton of shitty teams in the NFL.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pup » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:14 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:http://nflmocks.com/2011/12/12/updated-2012-nfl-mock-draft-where-does-rg3-land/


Oooooo, there's a "projected trade" in that one.

That's so cute.

EDIT: Also, no way in Hell will the Browns be picking at 8, not unless Seneca leads them to a win Sunday.

And, it is truly sad that the Browns can be as bad as they've been and still be no higher than #8 currently. There are a ton of shitty teams in the NFL.


Not many that got to play the early schedule we did though...
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:17 pm

pup wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:http://nflmocks.com/2011/12/12/updated-2012-nfl-mock-draft-where-does-rg3-land/


Oooooo, there's a "projected trade" in that one.

That's so cute.

EDIT: Also, no way in Hell will the Browns be picking at 8, not unless Seneca leads them to a win Sunday.

And, it is truly sad that the Browns can be as bad as they've been and still be no higher than #8 currently. There are a ton of shitty teams in the NFL.


Not many that got to play the early schedule we did though...


And a couple that were on the schedule and lost to the Browns.

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:34 pm

Hey, don't shoot the messenger just to feel superior

I just threw it out there to join all the other mocks

I already posted what I think the picks could be and like everyone else's they're just a shot in the dark
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:57 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger just to feel superior

I just threw it out there to join all the other mocks

I already posted what I think the picks could be and like everyone else's they're just a shot in the dark


That shot wasn't at all directed at you, and I never feel superior (well, maybe with some, but not you).

My mocking was directed totally at the guy that made a mock draft with not one but two projected trades. A pet peeve of mine since mock drafts are crapshoot enough without injecting completely nebulous events such as trades. Might as well speculate that RG3 will drop to #17 because doctors at the Combine find that his toes are webbed.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:37 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Might as well speculate that RG3 will drop to #17 because doctors at the Combine find that his toes are webbed.


You wouldn't drop in the draft for that. Think of the advantage it would bring on wet and sloppy fields. I'd be more concerned about his interest in becoming a fucking lawyer.

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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby JCoz » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:56 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Might as well speculate that RG3 will drop to #17 because doctors at the Combine find that his toes are webbed.


You wouldn't drop in the draft for that. Think of the advantage it would bring on wet and sloppy fields. I'd be more concerned about his interest in becoming a fucking lawyer.

That shows serious character issues.


It's god's work being done at that combine, let me tell you.....
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Pabo » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:48 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Weirton, WV, home of the movie Super 8.


Very good. Also Reckless and several scenes in The Deer Hunter.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:52 pm

Well looks like Griffin is going pro. I honestly had some doubt that he would but I was wrong.

Then John Gruden says this and I slip into Browns fantasy world and hope the two pair up next year on the sidelines in the Orange and Brown

On Monday night, ESPN analyst and former NFL coach Jon Gruden said he would love to coach Griffin in the pros.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:17 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
mistero wrote:1. Joe Haden (Round One, Pick Seven)
2. T.J. Ward (Round Two, Pick 38)

3. Montario Hardesty (Round Two, Pick 59)
4. Colt McCoy (Round Three, Pick 85)

5. Shawn Lauvao (Round Three, Pick 92)
6. Larry Asante (Round Five, Pick 160)
7. Carlton Mitchell (Round Six, Pick 177)
8. Clifton Geathers (Round Six, Pick 186)


First Round - 21st overall: Phil Taylor (DT) Baylor
Second Round - 37th overall: Jabaal Sheard (DE) Pittsburgh
Second Round - 59th overall: Greg Little (WR) North Carolina

Fourth Round - 102nd overall: Jordan Cameron (TE) USC
Fourth Round - 124th overall: Owen Marecic (FB) Stanford

Fifth Round - 137th overall: Buster Skrine (CB) Tennessee-Chattanooga
Fifth Round - 150th overall: Jason Pinkston (OL) Pittsburgh
Seventh Round - 248th overall: Eric Hagg (S/CB) Nebraska



11 useful players, maybe Taylor ,Sheard and Haden being the only legit starters, but still not too bad for the annual crapshoot.


TJ Ward and Greg Little are also legit starters. Pinkston's playing OK right now. Lauvao and Marecic will probably be starters next year whether you like it or not. Can't complain about 4th rounders and lower not all hitting (well, one could, but they would sound silly doing it).


Pinkston is doing very well for for a 5th......Heckert needs 2 more solid years of drafting, and pray to God Swerb is right in that we go "BIG" in the FA market. The new rules kick in next year where there is actually a basement so we'll have to spend................and Yes add in real QB with that and we'll be back in the NFL. :partyers:
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:20 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
mistero wrote:1. Joe Haden (Round One, Pick Seven)
2. T.J. Ward (Round Two, Pick 38)

3. Montario Hardesty (Round Two, Pick 59)
4. Colt McCoy (Round Three, Pick 85)

5. Shawn Lauvao (Round Three, Pick 92)
6. Larry Asante (Round Five, Pick 160)
7. Carlton Mitchell (Round Six, Pick 177)
8. Clifton Geathers (Round Six, Pick 186)


First Round - 21st overall: Phil Taylor (DT) Baylor
Second Round - 37th overall: Jabaal Sheard (DE) Pittsburgh
Second Round - 59th overall: Greg Little (WR) North Carolina

Fourth Round - 102nd overall: Jordan Cameron (TE) USC
Fourth Round - 124th overall: Owen Marecic (FB) Stanford

Fifth Round - 137th overall: Buster Skrine (CB) Tennessee-Chattanooga
Fifth Round - 150th overall: Jason Pinkston (OL) Pittsburgh
Seventh Round - 248th overall: Eric Hagg (S/CB) Nebraska



11 useful players, maybe Taylor ,Sheard and Haden being the only legit starters, but still not too bad for the annual crapshoot.


TJ Ward and Greg Little are also legit starters. Pinkston's playing OK right now. Lauvao and Marecic will probably be starters next year whether you like it or not. Can't complain about 4th rounders and lower not all hitting (well, one could, but they would sound silly doing it).


Marecic will be out of football within two years.

Fullbacks and ST players who suffer 3 concussions in a season simply don't last. And Marecic is a bright kid that can and will do something else with his life.

That said, that was a poor pick by Heckert. Not because Marecic has proven to be concussion-prone, but because they didn't need him and they certainly didn't need to reach for him with Klutts and Vickers just sitting there as inexpensive options.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:52 am

peeker643 wrote:Marecic will be out of football within two years.

Fullbacks and ST players who suffer 3 concussions in a season simply don't last. And Marecic is a bright kid that can and will do something else with his life.

That said, that was a poor pick by Heckert. Not because Marecic has proven to be concussion-prone, but because they didn't need him and they certainly didn't need to reach for him with Klutts and Vickers just sitting there as inexpensive options.


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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby jta1975 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:13 am

swerb wrote:I'm leery about drafting RBs and WRs high. If you look at the teams that have been historically good year in and year out (Indy, Pitt, GB, NE, NO) ... they're able to fill those spots with veterans, free agents, and guys picked outside the top 20-30 picks. Plus, to me, RB and WR are both positions where I prefer to have guys that are a little experienced and handle the ball so often.

Priority A - FIND A FRANCHISE QB

After that, I'd build the lines with this team. Try and find an alpha dog OLB that can get to the QB. Obviously, what they do in FA will also impact the draft. Regardless of who is here, I expect the Browns to be BIG players in FA this off-season.

On the QB thing though, a lot of teams have the same idea as us. Heard one of the Dolphins beat reporters on XM last night. He said, unequivocally, that the Dolphins first order of business will be to hire a proven big name HC to help fill that stadium. And the early canning of Sparano is so they can get a jump start on that. And then they will turn their attention to doing whatever they can to land a franchise QB in the draft.

Like us, Washington and Miami are both storied organizations with very frustrated fan bases that haven't had a franchise QB in forever. Both orgs are gonna be willign to give up dollars and picks to get a RG3. Luck and RG3 will go #1/#2 in this draft. Take it to the bank.



My reply isn't about the full post but I just wanted to give my opinion about not drafting a specific position because that is really a common fear.

The top of the draft is simply about a handful of players (no matter position) who are considered elite talents and if a player is considered elite, you don't just take another player because the position they play.

The teams mentioned above don't often draft in the top ten so the sample is smaller than a team who is a consistent bottom feeder but those teams you mentioned won't hesitate to pull the trigger on WRs and RBs in the top 10 if they feel they are elite.

The Colts picked Edgerin James at 4...Saints took Reggie Bush at 2...Steelers took Plaxico Burress at 8 (the year after taking Troy Edwards at 13), NE took Terry Glenn at 7.

I can understand not wanting the Carlos Rogers,Roy Williams,Braylon Edwards,Heyward-Bey's of the world but there are also plenty of "Bigs" who failed and most certainly plenty of QBs.

After watching players like A.J. Green,Larry Fitzgerald,Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson....I wouldn't shy away from a position but it is imperative that the talent and work ethic is properly judged or you will be running in place.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby jta1975 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:42 am

Hypothetical....if Rams get the 1st pick and fall in love with Luck would you take a trade with them where they asked for a 2013 first round pick and a 3rd this year for Bradford?

If not, what is the counter if any?
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby mistero » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:26 am

Barkley out and Colts are insane.

This just got very interesting.

I think the Atlanta 1st rounder for Bradford sounds about right. I still think he has a great future and St Louis won't bail on him. I think they would be more responsive to a trade of our 4th pick, Atlanta's pick and a 2013 1st rounder to swap spots and let us draft Luck. (inlove)
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pup » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:11 am

mistero wrote:Barkley out and Colts are insane.

This just got very interesting.

I think the Atlanta 1st rounder for Bradford sounds about right. I still think he has a great future and St Louis won't bail on him. I think they would be more responsive to a trade of our 4th pick, Atlanta's pick and a 2013 1st rounder to swap spots and let us draft Luck. (inlove)


Should not take next year's #1 to move 3 slots. Even if the prize is Luck. Work a deal for #2 and take RG3 would be my counter.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Govbarney » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:06 am

pup wrote:
mistero wrote:Barkley out and Colts are insane.

This just got very interesting.

I think the Atlanta 1st rounder for Bradford sounds about right. I still think he has a great future and St Louis won't bail on him. I think they would be more responsive to a trade of our 4th pick, Atlanta's pick and a 2013 1st rounder to swap spots and let us draft Luck. (inlove)


Should not take next year's #1 to move 3 slots. Even if the prize is Luck. Work a deal for #2 and take RG3 would be my counter.


Why settle for RG3,who in my eyes has a lot of question marks, when you just may have the chance to grab the mostly highly rated draft prospect since Payton Manning.

I agree with mistero, its going to take more than just our two 1st's this year, I think you have to toss in a few picks from 13, and maybe 14.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby pup » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:37 am

Govbarney wrote:
pup wrote:
mistero wrote:Barkley out and Colts are insane.

This just got very interesting.

I think the Atlanta 1st rounder for Bradford sounds about right. I still think he has a great future and St Louis won't bail on him. I think they would be more responsive to a trade of our 4th pick, Atlanta's pick and a 2013 1st rounder to swap spots and let us draft Luck. (inlove)


Should not take next year's #1 to move 3 slots. Even if the prize is Luck. Work a deal for #2 and take RG3 would be my counter.


Why settle for RG3,who in my eyes has a lot of question marks, when you just may have the chance to grab the mostly highly rated draft prospect since Payton Manning.

I agree with mistero, its going to take more than just our two 1st's this year, I think you have to toss in a few picks from 13, and maybe 14.


#4 and #24 for RG3
#4, #24, #36 and #8 in 2013 for Luck. You make the call.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Govbarney » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:59 am

pup wrote:
Govbarney wrote:
pup wrote:
mistero wrote:Barkley out and Colts are insane.

This just got very interesting.

I think the Atlanta 1st rounder for Bradford sounds about right. I still think he has a great future and St Louis won't bail on him. I think they would be more responsive to a trade of our 4th pick, Atlanta's pick and a 2013 1st rounder to swap spots and let us draft Luck. (inlove)


Should not take next year's #1 to move 3 slots. Even if the prize is Luck. Work a deal for #2 and take RG3 would be my counter.


Why settle for RG3,who in my eyes has a lot of question marks, when you just may have the chance to grab the mostly highly rated draft prospect since Payton Manning.

I agree with mistero, its going to take more than just our two 1st's this year, I think you have to toss in a few picks from 13, and maybe 14.


#4 and #24 for RG3
#4, #24, #36 and #8 in 2013 for Luck. You make the call.


RG3 is not worth the #4 and #24,frankly I think he falls to Cleveland regardless of if we are in the 4 or 5 slot.

As far as Luck goes the closest comparison I can think of would be the '04 Draft when
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At the time everyone felt that NYG gave up to much (including me), but 8 yrs later the G-Man have a ring, and the Chargers don't.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:30 am

jta1975 wrote:Hypothetical....if Rams get the 1st pick and fall in love with Luck would you take a trade with them where they asked for a 2013 first round pick and a 3rd this year for Bradford?

If not, what is the counter if any?


Interesting.

I think a lot of people around here have fallen off the Bradford bandwagon, but he played really well last year (under Shurmur, no less). He knows the system. He does have a lot of talent and much higher ceiling than what we've got.

And we've got to remember that the coach loves the guy and Holmgren was (reportedly) willing to give up the whole draft to get him. For a 2013 #1 and this year's 3rd? I think you'd have to seriously consider it.

My reservations with him: He seems a bit fragile, and doesn't exude that "leadership" quality.
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Re: 2012 Draft

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:54 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
jta1975 wrote:Hypothetical....if Rams get the 1st pick and fall in love with Luck would you take a trade with them where they asked for a 2013 first round pick and a 3rd this year for Bradford?

If not, what is the counter if any?


Interesting.

I think a lot of people around here have fallen off the Bradford bandwagon, but he played really well last year (under Shurmur, no less). He knows the system. He does have a lot of talent and much higher ceiling than what we've got.

And we've got to remember that the coach loves the guy and Holmgren was (reportedly) willing to give up the whole draft to get him. For a 2013 #1 and this year's 3rd? I think you'd have to seriously consider it.

My reservations with him: He seems a bit fragile, and doesn't exude that "leadership" quality.


No, he doesn't. To me he seems to have some of Colt's 'deer in the headlights' countenance and that concerns me. But I don't know (again) if that's a product of his environment, Shurmur/McDaniels/system changes or if it's him. And he's another guy that, aside from S Jackson, has very limited number of weapons.
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