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by Prosecutor » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:36 am
by peeker643 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:14 am
by JCoz » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:15 am
Prosecutor wrote:FWIW, the players are still going all out as evidenced by the goal line stand and the fact that they were in a position to take the lead in Pittsburgh late in the game. Shurmur may be over his head but he hasn't lost the players...yet. Nobody is mailing it in, so I credit him for that.
by Brownsnation09 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:38 pm
by motherscratcher » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:04 pm
by swerb » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:33 pm
by Brownsnation09 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:37 pm
by Commodore Perry » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:28 pm
peeker643 wrote:And to be fair, Holmgren may be a busy mofo every single day and intimately involved in the organization. How would we know, though?
by Prosecutor » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:28 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:33 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:03 pm
by mistero » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:31 pm
by swerb » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:23 pm
by Mavre » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:33 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:37 pm

by Mavre » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:38 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:38 pm
by Mavre » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:41 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:54 pm
Hikohadon wrote:Holmgren: Yeah, I can elaborate on that. He'll be back next year.

by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:56 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:57 pm
Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Holmgren: Yeah, I can elaborate on that. He'll be back next year.
Did anyone seriously expect otherwise?
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:03 pm

by Triple-S » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:07 pm
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

by swerb » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:11 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:19 pm
swerb wrote:Grossi's live blog of the presser. What. A. Mess.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... e_hol.html
by Cease » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:31 pm

by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:45 pm
Cease wrote:"Didn't see the play" is complete horsepucky, IMO. Lame, lame, lame, and I'm calling BS.
DIDN'T SEE THE PLAY?
by peeker643 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:59 pm
Hikohadon wrote:Cease wrote:"Didn't see the play" is complete horsepucky, IMO. Lame, lame, lame, and I'm calling BS.
DIDN'T SEE THE PLAY?
That's easily the most believable part, in my opinion.
If you're busy working on a guy on the bench and there's a wall of 6'7 300 lb guys between you and the field, I doubt you see the play either.
The problem part is that no one came over and said "You might wanna check his head - that's what got hit."
by peeker643 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:05 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:13 pm
peeker643 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Cease wrote:"Didn't see the play" is complete horsepucky, IMO. Lame, lame, lame, and I'm calling BS.
DIDN'T SEE THE PLAY?
That's easily the most believable part, in my opinion.
If you're busy working on a guy on the bench and there's a wall of 6'7 300 lb guys between you and the field, I doubt you see the play either.
The problem part is that no one came over and said "You might wanna check his head - that's what got hit."
Exactly. They have guys in the booth watching whether a blade of grass is contacted by a cleat at the 2-yd line or the 3-yd line and yet no one saw McCoy get hit in the face with a train.
by The Score » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:15 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:26 pm
The Score wrote:Didn't see the play?
Did they hear the ref announce the penalty? He pretty much spelled it out.
by HoodooMan » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:27 pm
Triple-S wrote:playing the "You're either with us or against us" quote at the media?
fucking really?
a.) first off, it's not the media's job to be your own pr service. They have every damn right to call a spade a spade. The team sucks mike, the coach sucks, and the QB is mediocre. Don't tap dance around it. Either fix it so those are not an issue, or continue to hear from the media and how they're ripping you apart.
b.) If I'm a fan, why the fuck should I give you the benefit of the doubt on this one? again, this team has made the Mangini coached teams looked competent and almost like Super Bowl contender. The play calling is atrocious, the coach doesn't know what he's doing, and were stuck yet again in top ten draft position.
#c.): VARIOUS OTHER LOUD NOISES!!!!!
by Triple-S » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:29 pm
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

by Gradysmanldy » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:40 pm
What about McCoy laying on the ground?
"That came up in the meeting yesterday. It seems inconceivable but nobody alerted anyone. So how do we do this so the doctors get the information they need. Best thing we could come up with is putting in a process to have somebody say something."
by Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:50 pm
HoodooMan wrote:Triple-S wrote:playing the "You're either with us or against us" quote at the media?
fucking really?
a.) first off, it's not the media's job to be your own pr service. They have every damn right to call a spade a spade. The team sucks mike, the coach sucks, and the QB is mediocre. Don't tap dance around it. Either fix it so those are not an issue, or continue to hear from the media and how they're ripping you apart.
b.) If I'm a fan, why the fuck should I give you the benefit of the doubt on this one? again, this team has made the Mangini coached teams looked competent and almost like Super Bowl contender. The play calling is atrocious, the coach doesn't know what he's doing, and were stuck yet again in top ten draft position.
#c.): VARIOUS OTHER LOUD NOISES!!!!!
If you're so embittered by the years of losing that you can't give a new regime more than a year to turn things around, maybe it's time you stopped watching.
by pup » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:04 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:10 pm
HoodooMan wrote:If you're so embittered by the years of losing that you can't give a new regime more than a year to turn things around, maybe it's time you stopped watching.
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:14 pm
pup wrote:2 Drafts
2 Free Agency Periods
1 Year.
No more wins.

by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:24 pm
Gradysmanldy wrote:What about McCoy laying on the ground?
"That came up in the meeting yesterday. It seems inconceivable but nobody alerted anyone. So how do we do this so the doctors get the information they need. Best thing we could come up with is putting in a process to have somebody say something."
It seems that way because it IS fucking inconceivable, Mike. It's inconceiveable that EVERY SINGLE coach and EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER on the field wouldn't have said squad after seeing Harrison MURDER Colt. Hell, 90% of us watching that game knew from the MOMENT the hit happened that it was probably a concussion. But NOT ONE of you @#*%s wanted to even check with him briefly, look him in the eye, and talk to him before restarting play? You already had an injury time out and Seneca in the game.
Don't get angry with the media, and SURELY don't get mad at the fans. We're not idiots, and we want you to say HOLY HELL that was STUPID. Not this.
I hate this team and the iterations of the dysfunction they reinvent/recreate every year. Hate myself for not turning it off.
by The Score » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:42 pm
by FUDU » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:46 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:51 pm
The Score wrote:Sorry, I just find the notion that the medical staff is an over-burdened unit with crazy tunnel vision that runs from injury to injury and no concept of what is happening immediately in the game, let alone happening after a play where a personal foul, tv timeout, ref announcement, and a player lying dead on the field are all involved is a gigantic leap of faith to take.
by FUDU » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:52 pm
The Score wrote:Sorry, I just find the notion that the medical staff is an over-burdened unit with crazy tunnel vision that runs from injury to injury and no concept of what is happening immediately in the game, let alone happening after a play where a personal foul, tv timeout, ref announcement, and a player lying dead on the field are all involved is a gigantic leap of faith to take.
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:53 pm
FUDU wrote:Put me in the camp that you just cannot get rid of this regime at this point (1yr). However there are plenty of things that have gone on this season that deserve questioning, from on the field play/coaching to procedural stuff...again the Browns have a season in which unprecedented things happen to continue this losing and utter display of incompetence.
Having said that if Holmgren ends up displacing Shurmur (whether this off season or say next) and takes over on the sidelines then one HAS to question what the hell has been going on the past 2 seasons, and also really question Holmgren's integrity (given the admitted lack of interest in staying for the long haul etc). It would be yet another example of incompetence of the owner himself to be duped once again and buying into yet another sales pitch from somebody (MH) really only looking out for himself.
by peeker643 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:07 pm
Hikohadon wrote:FUDU wrote:Put me in the camp that you just cannot get rid of this regime at this point (1yr). However there are plenty of things that have gone on this season that deserve questioning, from on the field play/coaching to procedural stuff...again the Browns have a season in which unprecedented things happen to continue this losing and utter display of incompetence.
Having said that if Holmgren ends up displacing Shurmur (whether this off season or say next) and takes over on the sidelines then one HAS to question what the hell has been going on the past 2 seasons, and also really question Holmgren's integrity (given the admitted lack of interest in staying for the long haul etc). It would be yet another example of incompetence of the owner himself to be duped once again and buying into yet another sales pitch from somebody (MH) really only looking out for himself.
I'd question what he's doing right now. I'd love to see what a day in the life of the Walrus is like.

by The Score » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:41 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:53 pm
The Score wrote:Just sayin', I have some experience with gameday medical staffs and I'm not buying that they had no idea James Harrison took off McCoy's head on the play. It's not like it was a play away from the action, or under a pile, or even a routine tackle where a guy doesn't get up for some unknown reason.
Maybe it is naive. I don't think so, but whatever.
by leadpipe » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:06 pm
by Spin » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:19 pm
The Score wrote:Sorry, I just find the notion that the medical staff is an over-burdened unit with crazy tunnel vision that runs from injury to injury and no concept of what is happening immediately in the game, let alone happening after a play where a personal foul, tv timeout, ref announcement, and a player lying dead on the field are all involved is a gigantic leap of faith to take.
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