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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:52 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Only mentioned the color of his skin because mistero has only grouped him with QBs that have the same skin color.

That combined with the amazing wrongness of his statement leaves me only one conclusion.

HE COMPARED HIM TO JOSH HARRIS DO YOU NOT SEE THIS AS WEIRD?


I see it as a poor take on mistero's part, one I personally disagree with and think most do.

You see it as an opportunity.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:05 am

meh, to each his own.

Skin color is probably the wrong characterization, maybe it's just that he ridiculously groups any QB that runs fast together.

Either way, it is ridiculous grouping of a subset of athletes together.

Where you see a bad take I see segregation, you can pick what he is segregating if you so desire.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:15 am

Eh, I like RGIII just fine but I'm worried that all that running will not translate well to the NFL.He's going to get killed if he takes hits like he did against Texas Tech.

I don't get where you can say he's a pocket passer.He has a very good arm and he's got good accuracy and smarts but I see most of his work done outside the pocket.

RGIII 347 pass att, 149 Rushes
Luck 373 pass att, 43 rushes
Barkley 446 pass att, 28 Rushes
Weeden 486 pass att, 15 rushes
L Jones 487 pass att, 25 rushes
N Foles 560 pass att, 43 rushes

Which QB looks like a runner/scramble?

And their college numbers for last season played.

Vick 179 pass att, 113 rushes
Josh Harris 353 pass att, 186 rushes, 499 pass att, 215 rushes
Tebow 314 pass att, 217 rushes

I like Griffin. I wouldn't might drafting him with our 2nd 1st rounder or at the top of round 2. But I'm concerned he's too short to operate in the pocket, he plays school yard ball, and he's going to have durability issues.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:36 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Is there a mock draft anywhere with RG3 going in the 1st round?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

Number 8 to Miami.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Pete ... aft-111411

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:36 am

It's hard to find one where he's not taken in the Top 15.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:27 am

Just curious cuz I don't follow draft predictions
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:41 am

And we are still comparing a guy who is the current Heisman leader and a top 15 prospect right now (more likely to end up top 5/10) to Josh freaking Harris.

And now because he is 6'2" and he has the ability to play "playground football" RG3 doesn't first and foremost operate passing out of the pocket.

I'm pretty sure you were on PCP when you watched him play those three times, because otherwise I'm left with you hating any QB that has the ability to run, regardless of how often they use it.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:37 am

Who said I hated him? I would be ok if we drafted him. Just not if Barkley was still on the board. I prefer pocket passers who play in a pro system. I have him number 3 on my QB draft list. I would take his upside over Colt McCoy any day.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mattvan1 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:50 am

mistero wrote: I prefer pocket passers who play in a pro system.


Like the two most recent USC success stories, Matt Leinhart and Mark Sanchez? :hide:

Just funnin'. Still such a crapshoot to deteremine how QB skills in college, especially from big time programs where the guy is surrounded by talent, translate to the next level.
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Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:00 pm

I think he might have the prettiest deep ball from a QB prospect since Carson Palmer.
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Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:08 pm

HoodooMan wrote:I think he might have the prettiest deep ball from a QB prospect since Carson Palmer.

Barkley? (or did you mean RG3).

B/C I've seen him throw some less than stellar balls this season, from all ranges. Not bashing him completely but can't say I've seen superior balls thrown from him throughout the season.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:12 pm

Of course I meant RG3!

If I was bending over backwards trying to prove how not-racist I am with regards to Matt Barkley, I'd have to say something like "Barkley might have the worst deep ball since Charlie Frye."
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:22 pm

:thumb up:
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:51 pm

Barkley is the same height as RG3.

If RG3 is too short to play in the pocket and plays streetball because of this, what does Barkley do? Ask his linemen to duck after counting to five?
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:24 pm

I like them both (RG3 and Barkley). I'd probably prefer RG3 due to his running ability and higher ceiling, but it's not like Barkley would be a huge step down (as far as I'm concerned).

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:28 pm

FWIW: I prefer RG3 but doubt this team would take him. I'm more blown away by the complete falsities that mistero is dropping in this thread than anything.

That said, RG3's upside is as high as any QB to come out in some time.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:03 pm

Falsities? Give it a rest. I showed stats. Linked mock drafts. Gave my opinion.
What's you agenda?

BTW I'm guessing RGIII is closer to 6'0. We'll see come combine time.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:05 pm

You claimed that RG3 doesn't pass in the pocket (you may want to watch him play, because I don't believe you have beyond highlights) and keep comparing him to fucking JOSH HARRIS.

That is possibly the most ridiculous biased sack of shit I've ever seen here and fucking SD posts here.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:09 am

e0y2e3 wrote:You claimed that RG3 doesn't pass in the pocket (you may want to watch him play, because I don't believe you have beyond highlights) and keep comparing him to fucking JOSH HARRIS.

That is possibly the most ridiculous biased sack of shit I've ever seen here and fucking SD posts here.



SD:

Thats Mr SoulDawg to you.

Mistero , RG3 is the fer sure shizzle , quicker release than Dan Marino, more akin to the strike of a Cobra , while having the power to flick it 40 yards on target with just his wrists while his feet are going in another direction .

True elite dissonance of coordination from where the rest of his body is to where he's aiming the ball, the best arm in the draft and that includes Luck .

Needs some seasoning coming out of that non pro set , but man the kid can spin it and can escape like a cat burglar ta boot .

Luck is the most pro ready anything to come outta the draft in a generation , but RG3 could give us the top QB in the division , where Colt is 6th in a four team race.

and don't let the Rastafarian hair style throw , ya

Kid ain't no Rickey Williams in search of himself , came off as a professor in a recent ESPN interview , he's study in awareness and smarts .

I also like Barkley , Butt after Luck , RG3 is the star that is left.




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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:11 am

I hear you SD. I do like RGIII....better than McCoy for sure.

Luck, Barkley,RGIII....then stick with McCoy. Not fond enough of the other QB's to bail on Colt. Do you think his game is similiar to Newton's? Do you think teams are starting to figure out Newton after his hot start?
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:35 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:Luck is the most pro ready anything to come outta the draft since Brady Quinn :hide: , but RG3 could give us the top QB in the division , where Colt is 6th in a four team race.

and don't let the Rastafarian hair style throw , ya

Kid ain't no Rickey Williams in search of himself , came off as a professor in a recent ESPN interview , he's study in awareness and smarts .

I also like Barkley , Butt after Luck , RG3 is the star that is left.


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I'm on board with RG3. I want the Browns to take him with the first pick. If, by some miracle, Colt turns himself into Drew Breeze, well, then you have 2 trade chips.

Maybe Matt Ryan gets turf toe and we end up around 15 with the second pick. Take a WR. Take a RT. Take a LB. Take a DE...Same with our top of the 2nd round pick. There are holes to fill. But none of those holes being filled with a top 8 pick is going to get us to the Super Bowl next year.

There is absolutely no downside to taking RG3 with the top pick that I can see. None.

I can envision a scenario where RG3 is mocked to fall to where our ATL pick would be. OK then, take Blackmon or a stud LB with the 1st. But you better be damn sure RG3 will still be there when that pick comes around.

Just fucking get that kid.

I don't feel the same way about Barkley.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:52 am

I'm just glad that we finally managed to compare RG3 to Cam, no matter how dissimilar the two are.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:20 am

e0y2e3 wrote:I'm just glad that we finally managed to compare RG3 to Cam, no matter how dissimilar the two are.


Dont be stupid. They are exactly the same. They're both black.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:22 am

motherscratcher wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:I'm just glad that we finally managed to compare RG3 to Cam, no matter how dissimilar the two are.


Dont be stupid. They are exactly the same. They're both black.



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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:31 am

e0y2e3 wrote:I'm just glad that we finally managed to compare RG3 to Cam, no matter how dissimilar the two are.


:lmfao:

I won't have any problem if that's who we draft. I'm on board with anyone who can make plays...

The question becomes which team drafting before the Browns also has him in their sights?

If RG3 is our first pick, fine. Then I'd go Michael Floyd with the second pick in the 1st rd, LB in the 2nd...
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:21 pm

You are dead on FMB.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Luck, Barkley and RG3 all go in the top five.

Which would suck.

But at least Landry Jones is tall.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:24 pm

Probly Philly.....because he's Black

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:28 pm

But Vince Young threw for 400 yards against the Pats!!! He's BACK!
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:41 pm

Well I can't compare him to Tebow because RGIII can throw the ball.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:53 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Probly Philly.....because he's Black

:hide:


SD:

He's Black .....who knew ..

Damn all this time I thought he was just a QB .......shit

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:09 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:You are dead on FMB.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Luck, Barkley and RG3 all go in the top five.

Which would suck.

But at least Landry Jones is tall.


You are discounting the likelihood that the Browns go 1-4 or 0-5 in the last 5 games. 4-12 would likely pass up a couple of those teams still ahead of (behind) them.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:23 pm

hiko wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:You are dead on FMB.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Luck, Barkley and RG3 all go in the top five.

Which would suck.

But at least Landry Jones is tall.


You are discounting the likelihood that the Browns go 1-4 or 0-5 in the last 5 games. 4-12 would likely pass up a couple of those teams still ahead of (behind) them.


SD:

we could get to three if everybody else wins one game , and the Zona pigeons don't get any ideas about laying down on our account.


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:34 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

we could get to three if everybody else wins one game , and the Zona pigeons don't get any ideas about laying down on our account.


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Whew, 3 is Justin Blackmon territory.

RG3 needs to tank at the combine so he can fall to the 15-18 range where Atlanta hopefully will be. RG3 to Blackmon gives me chills.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:14 pm

hiko wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

we could get to three if everybody else wins one game , and the Zona pigeons don't get any ideas about laying down on our account.


SoulDawg


Whew, 3 is Justin Blackmon territory.

RG3 needs to tank at the combine so he can fall to the 15-18 range where Atlanta hopefully will be. RG3 to Blackmon gives me chills.


SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

look for Washington to be our competition , they will try and get ahead of us and deal with whoever doesn't need a QB via trade .

IMO I think they go the conservative route and take Barkley off the board , if we don't step up to three RG3 will be gone, as we'll have to outbid Denver Miami & Zona just to name a few peeps in need of the grail .

Much as i 'd luv the draft to come to us .

If we're in the top ten but out of the top three , trade up and get him , even if you have to fork over that extra #1 .

He's that valuable and would be that big a difference maker in turning around the Browns.

Finally vs Rapistburger Flacco and Dalton , we wouldn't be trotting out the kid sister.


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:50 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote: SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact . SoulDawg


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:58 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

look for Washington to be our competition , they will try and get ahead of us and deal with whoever doesn't need a QB via trade .

IMO I think they go the conservative route and take Barkley off the board , if we don't step up to three RG3 will be gone, as we'll have to outbid Denver Miami & Zona just to name a few peeps in need of the grail .

Much as i 'd luv the draft to come to us .

If we're in the top ten but out of the top three , trade up and get him , even if you have to fork over that extra #1 .

He's that valuable and would be that big a difference maker in turning around the Browns.

Finally vs Rapistburger Flacco and Dalton , we wouldn't be trotting out the kid sister.


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I'd do what it takes to get him too. But damn if it wouldn't hurt giving up that other #1.

So I'm understanding correctly, are you saying that you think Luck, Barkley, RG3 will be going 1,2,3 in the draft? That seems unlikely to me.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:43 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .


I've decided (for now) that I don't want Landry Jones (not in the 1st round, at least). Is he an improvement over McCoy? Probably. But is he so significantly better, is he likely to be a franchise QB? Or will he just be a pretend answer to the problem and set the team back a couple years trying to "see" if he has what it takes.

If the big-time 3 are gone, stick with Colt for another year and use the picks to build up the rest of the team.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:48 am

hiko wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .


I've decided (for now) that I don't want Landry Jones (not in the 1st round, at least). Is he an improvement over McCoy? Probably. But is he so significantly better, is he likely to be a franchise QB? Or will he just be a pretend answer to the problem and set the team back a couple years trying to "see" if he has what it takes.

If the big-time 3 are gone, stick with Colt for another year and use the picks to build up the rest of the team.


Agreed.

That said, I hated Matty Ryan for most of the same reasons I hate Jones.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:50 pm

Hey, look what I found...

Cleveland Browns: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Colt McCoy is not doing enough for Cleveland to pass on a potential franchise quarterback. He was a third-round pick in 2010, so it is not like the Browns have a huge investment in him. McCoy could still be a quality backup for Cleveland.

Griffin has been one of the best players in college football this season. The 6-foot-2, 220-pounder is a big-play machine. He has a strong arm, is extremely accurate throwing the ball and has superb mobility, having also been a track competitor. Griffin is very intelligent and a high-character individual. He has the makings of a franchise quarterback. Thus far in 2011, Griffin has completed 73 percent of his passes for 3,678 yards with 34 touchdowns and five interceptions. He has rushed for 612 yards and seven touchdowns. Griffin has the 'it' factor that pushes his team to wins and elevates the play of his teammates.

Readers have been emailing me that they want the junior to be included in the 2012 mock. Previously, Griffin was projected to go at the very top of the 2013 NFL Draft because the early hints are that he is inclined to pull an Andrew Luck/Jake Locker/Matt Leinart and return to school for the 2012 season. Griffin has already been graduated and is getting a master's this year. He has stated that he wants to do his first year of a law degree next year. That would put him in the 2013 draft. It will be interesting to see what Griffin decides to do.

Pick change; previously Landry Jones, QB


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Govbarney » Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:59 pm

I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

I am starting to like 6-3, 205 lb 21TDs vs. 6INTs Kirk Cousins. We can get him in a later round, and he plays in a system it so foreign to what the Browns currently run, plus shows poise an accuracy.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:13 pm

Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.


Ah, but then one could also argue that the Browns are starting a less talented version of the same thing.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:26 pm

hiko wrote:
Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.


Ah, but then one could also argue that the Browns are starting a less talented version of the same thing.


You can all have Landry Jones. If I had to bet my life on it tonight I'd say McCoy is a better QB than Jones at the NFL level. Both benefited from watching guys with 4 yard cushions run free all day and both benefited from Top 10 talent around them relatively speaking.

RG3 is a different player IMO. Stronger than either of them, strong arm, playing with less than Texas and Oklahoma caliber teammates.

I didn't know he already had a his undergrad degree and was working toward an advanced degree. How much does that say about the kid?

It also tells me he's not a lock to declare if he can come back, play ball at that level and move through a year of law school.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby pup » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:33 pm

Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

I am starting to like 6-3, 205 lb 21TDs vs. 6INTs Kirk Cousins. We can get him in a later round, and he plays in a system it so foreign to what the Browns currently run, plus shows poise an accuracy.


Waiting for a QB in the later rounds, is, um, a recipe for disaster. We might as well stick with Colt if we are going to do that.

No way RG3 is there for our pick.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:34 pm

Weeden from Okie State is totaly outplaying Jones tonite
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:14 pm

Hey, I'm not a big fan of Jones either. Just pointing out that most scouts would say that he was much more talented than Colt.

RG3 is like a dream I don't want to bother having because it won't come true.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:20 am

hiko wrote:Hey, I'm not a big fan of Jones either. Just pointing out that most scouts would say that he was much more talented than Colt.

RG3 is like a dream I don't want to bother having because it won't come true.


Splitting hairs and not important at all, but I don't think people would say that regarding Jones over McCoy. Not as college players. There aren't many QBs in the history of college football more decorated than McCoy. I know decorated doesn't necessarily equate to talent but throwing for 76+%, 3500 yards, 34TDs and 8ints, and 550 yards rushing has to involve some....


I think Landry Jones falls short, personally speaking. Not bias as I really don't care what becomes of McCoy or Jones other than their Browns-related newsworthiness.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:36 pm

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hiko wrote:Hey, I'm not a big fan of Jones either. Just pointing out that most scouts would say that he was much more talented than Colt.

RG3 is like a dream I don't want to bother having because it won't come true.


Splitting hairs and not important at all, but I don't think people would say that regarding Jones over McCoy. Not as college players. There aren't many QBs in the history of college football more decorated than McCoy. I know decorated doesn't necessarily equate to talent but throwing for 76+%, 3500 yards, 34TDs and 8ints, and 550 yards rushing has to involve some....

I think Landry Jones falls short, personally speaking. Not bias as I really don't care what becomes of McCoy or Jones other than their Browns-related newsworthiness.


When one is drafted in the 1st Round and the other is drafted at the end of the 3rd, it speaks to what the scouts think of each player's talent level/potential. I think Landry's height alone gets him drafted in the 1st. If Colt were 4 inches taller, he'd have been a 1st rounder too.

Again, not my argument.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby hiko » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:01 pm

Root for Jacksonville tonight. If they win, then there's only 3 teams with worse records, and only one of them (the Colts) would be likely to take a QB (Rams and Vikes are the other 2).

That would make 8 teams tied at 4-8, but I'd be willing to bet almost all of them except the Browns win at least one more game.

And that leaves the Browns in prime position to take RG3 at #4.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:16 pm

Yeah but would they?
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby fundamentals » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:23 pm

The Browns are going to have to draft a QB. Colt McCoy is going to be Tim Couch 2.0. Dude is getting crushed over and over and over. Not saying he's a good QB but don't think with what is there he can get much accomplished. Still can't figure out how anyone could function well with the cast of misfits who inhabit the offensive side of the ball.
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