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QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:41 am

How it stands now.
INDY-0-10
Miami-2-7
Vikings -2-7
St Lois 2-7
Carolina 2-7
Jacksonville 3-6
Philly 3-6
Washington 3-6
Seattle 3-6
Cleveland 3-6
Arizona 3-6

How I think it will end up.








1. Colts...locked in to first pick 0-16 and drafting Luck Stanford
2. ST L ........2-14 Don't need a QB. Blackmon WR OK ST
3. Carolina....3-13 Don't need a QB .. Kalil OT USC
4. Browns...3-13 Won't win again.....Barkley USC
5.Vikings ...3-13 Don't need a QB...Jeffery WR SC
6. Miami ....4-12 Will draft a QB ... Jones OKLA
7. Seattle ....4-12 Will Draft a QB ....Griffin Baylor
8. Arizona ....5-11 Won't draft a QB Coples DE NC
9. Jacksonville ..5-11 Won't draft a QB .. Richardson RB ALA
10. Philly 5-11...won't draft a QB...Thompson DT CLEM
11. Washington 5-11 Will draft a QB...Tannehill Texas AM
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Bigfist » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:01 am

How can this be? After all of these years, we are still at a stage where we need everything..QB, WR, running back, help on the OL, linebacker, CB. Amazing.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:12 am

We're good at LT, one of the corners and TE...which is nice.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Govbarney » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:09 am

Why does every one seem to think its automatic we go with Barcley over Jones? I think Jones passes the eyeball test way better then Barkley. Jones has a better arm, looks to have better accuracy, is rated much higher on most scout boards, is two inches taller then Barcley, and for what it's worth Oklahoma may not have the same cold as Cleveland, however if you have ever been there you would know that it's one of the windiest locations in the country. On top of that you see more inclement weather in the big 12 games as opposed to the PAC 12 , which tells me Jones may be more prepared for AFC North winters as opposed to Mr. SoCal.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:15 am

RG3 or bust.

Barkley, meh.

Jones, meh.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:18 am

They should take a QB in every round.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:39 am

e0y2e3 wrote:RG3 or bust.

Barkley, meh.

Jones, meh.


This. If Griffin comes out, I want the guy that's used to being on the underperforming team with crappy receivers and a meh o-line. Good prep for the big leagues.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:51 am

How tall is Griffin...5'9? He reminds me of Troy Smith or the QB from BG who's name escapes me (Josh Harris??). He's a run around guy who throws a decent spiral.

Jones is a DA,Jeff George type..no?

I just wish Barkley was 2 inches taller.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:53 am

RG3 is listed at 6-2. He's absolutely not 5-9. And he is an accomplished college sprinter that throws a good spiral. And he is 100% throw first, lets not pretend otherwise.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:01 pm

LOL......sounds like a repeat of 2010.......what we NEED is consistency......play calling, an offensice scheme to be in place longer than 1 season (with no off-season mind you) and maybe a wide receiver and a non-third string running back........
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:02 pm

Did Colt tip you for that dick ride son?
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby pup » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:07 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:LOL......sounds like a repeat of 2010.......what we NEED is consistency......play calling, an offensice scheme to be in place longer than 1 season (with no off-season mind you) and maybe a wide receiver and a non-third string running back........


Consistent what though?

Again, of all those guys that got run out of town prematurely...who is lighting up the world right now as a HC? OC? QB? WR? RB?

I think everyone agrees consistency is a good thing. And good teams have that. Of course they are consistent because they are good. They are not good because they are consistent. Good teams do not replace systems, because, well they are good. Bad teams change systems because those things are not working. And no amount of time is going to make a bad coach, coaching bad players successful.

This reminds me of the argument about the Indians deciding to "teach" their young hitters to work deeper counts, since the good teams have hitters that work the count. Well, good hitters can work counts because they are good hitters. Bad hitters working counts just make your games take longer.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:08 pm

You guys know the Browns aren't going to draft a QB in the 1st rd, right?

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:15 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:You guys know the Browns aren't going to draft a QB in the 1st rd, right?

:hide:

'cuz I'll bet against it if anyone is interested


SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby bac5665 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:37 pm

He meant that this FO will not draft a QB first round. It was a prediction, not a policy recommendation.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:54 pm

bac5665 wrote:He meant that this FO will not draft a QB first round. It was a prediction, not a policy recommendation.

SD:

Was it
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:26 pm

bac5665 wrote:He meant that this FO will not draft a QB first round. It was a prediction, not a policy recommendation.


SD is too messed up in the head to get it...thanks for explaining it to him for me....tho he likely still won't get it

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby bookelly » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:05 pm

What's the point of drafting a QB when he has nobody to throw to, only half a O-line, and no backs? Smart money says they trade down and get more picks.

Colt will be perfect cannon fodder for the next three to five years they're gonna need to re-build.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:20 pm

I don't know who they're gonna pick, but I think they will win at least one more game. They've got JVille & Arizona yet, and who knows what they'll pull outta their asses to drop further down in the draft.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Triple-S » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:25 pm

I'm actually with eyo on this.

RGIII would make afternoons at least be fun again.

I'd kill to even just have a season like Carolina's having. At least they're getting to watch Warren Moon II lace 'em up, kick ass and take names.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:23 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

No one said a word about swapping starters but your dumb ass

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

What does this have to do with the weather patterns and the price of oranges? ^^^^^

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

Everyone here is smarter than you.....even mother

You've played the fool far too often to be taken with a grain of salt


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:28 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

No one said a word about swapping starters but your dumb ass

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

What does this have to do with the weather patterns and the price of oranges? ^^^^^

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

Everyone here is smarter than you.....even mother

You've played the fool far too often to be taken with a grain of salt


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SD:

Anytime you want to make out your list of Franchise's waiting eagerly to trade their starter for Colt , I'll be waiting to hear from ya Cock Breath .

Now you have a nice day.

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:29 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

No one said a word about swapping starters but your dumb ass

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

What does this have to do with the weather patterns and the price of oranges? ^^^^^

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

Everyone here is smarter than you.....even mother

You've played the fool far too often to be taken with a grain of salt


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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:41 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

No one said a word about swapping starters but your dumb ass

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

What does this have to do with the weather patterns and the price of oranges? ^^^^^

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

Everyone here is smarter than you.....even mother

You've played the fool far too often to be taken with a grain of salt


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SD:

Anytime you want to make out your list of Franchise's waiting eagerly to trade their starter for Colt , I'll be waiting to hear from ya Cock Breath .

Now you have a nice day.

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WTF does that have to do with.....well, anyfuckingthing?

You can conjure up this stupidity till Andrew Luck falls to the 6th pick but, rest assured, Colt McCoy will be the Browns starter next season....

Someone, like you for instance, should go find that "Whats a successful season for McCoy?" thread and give it a bump....

Maybe do a little reflection on expectations by one and all here

Eh?

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:04 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

What team in the NFL would trade us straight up for Colt if we're talking about swappin starters.

No one said a word about swapping starters but your dumb ass

Hell there's a dozen teams wouldn't part with their backup for em .

What does this have to do with the weather patterns and the price of oranges? ^^^^^

So come with it, show us how smart you are , and the policy you advocate.

Everyone here is smarter than you.....even mother

You've played the fool far too often to be taken with a grain of salt


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SD:

Anytime you want to make out your list of Franchise's waiting eagerly to trade their starter for Colt , I'll be waiting to hear from ya Cock Breath .

Now you have a nice day.

SoulDawg


WTF does that have to do with.....well, anyfuckingthing?

You can conjure up this stupidity till Andrew Luck falls to the 6th pick but, rest assured, Colt McCoy will be the Browns starter next season....

Someone, like you for instance, should go find that "Whats a successful season for McCoy?" thread and give it a bump....

Maybe do a little reflection on expectations by one and all here

Eh?

I dare ya


SD:

Answer the question Beeeyatch , so you can see for yourself just how stoopid your position on Colt has been all along .

You and the other stoopid cockbreaths touting the mantra we didn't need a QB when their was a half a dozen picks which would have upgraded the position .

You no nothing ignorant fuck up.

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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:37 pm

You're beyond hope

Why would I, or anyone for that matter, provide you with an answer to a totaly irrelevant hypothetical question?

Being a Colt pimp, or not, is equally irrelevant

Who we'd like to see at QB has nothing at all to do with who we WILL see at QB
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:53 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:You're beyond hope

Why would I, or anyone for that matter, provide you with an answer to a totaly irrelevant hypothetical question?

Being a Colt pimp, or not, is equally irrelevant

Who we'd like to see at QB has nothing at all to do with who we WILL see at QB



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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby mistero » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:04 am

Holmgren said if we don't have our franchise QB, we're gonna keep picking guys until we find one. He's never given Colt a public vote of confidence that he's the guy. I think unless he turns it around...which is unlikely against our death row opponents....we are going to draft someone in April.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby trsteve1 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:22 am

I think we get 1-3 more wins though, so this scenario is unlikely.. BUT.. think we could trade our two 1's and a 1 or 2 from 2013 with the Colts to take Luck? I mean, seems like it would be a great opportunity for the Colts to get crazy good around them for a couple last runs with a (potentially) healthy Manning. Furthermore, it would be an opportunity for the Browns to not waste those picks (which they would do simply by making selections...)

Of course, I do not think the Browns would do that, nor do I really think we should do that.. we seem to be in a decent position to make some interesting picks next season.. Like I said though, I think we accidentally get a win against a team or two down the road (no more than 3.. and likely only 1).. basically enough to put us out of the top five.

That being said... can we fire Shurmur? Or, at least, force him to hire an OC.. cause, let's be honest, he's awful.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:34 pm

Trsteve1, in years past I would agree with you on thinking sure the Browns might win a game or two they are not supposed to like the Pats and Saints games for the year before. But there is no way in hell I feel that way about this team with this coach. They are not going to win a single game the rest of the year. We will be 3-13 at the end of the year.

On 92.3 the morning show they said Holmgren said that Shurmur would be the last coach he hires so take that for what it is worth. Shurmur is not going anywhere as long as Holmgren is in charge.


I don't think the Colt trade that #1 pick and I honestly think Manning might never play again in the NFL. He has had multiple neck surgeries at his age. How lucky the one year you suck the maybe the next peyton Manning is available in the draft and he is all yours.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:50 am

I think you are stretching it to think Miami is winning 4, look at thier schedule....its possible, but more likely that we finish tied, and they will win that tie-breaker.

If you aren't getting luck I'd like to see the browns build more draft picks out of this draft, build up the rest of the team. Not like we wont be near the top of the draft next year as well.

As much as I generally devalue RB's, in the absense of an opportunity to get Luck, Richardson looks awfully tempting to me there......
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:32 pm

JCoz wrote:If you aren't getting luck I'd like to see the browns build more draft picks out of this draft, build up the rest of the team. Not like we wont be near the top of the draft next year as well.


Assuming no Luck scenario develops, I hope they stand pat and get 3 impact guys with the 1st 3 picks (2 rds). Good teams don't over think it. Although I like the idea of packaging lower picks to get back into the 2nd or even 3rd rd. Especially with all the 2nd-day types on this roster already.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:47 pm

googleeph2 wrote:
JCoz wrote:If you aren't getting luck I'd like to see the browns build more draft picks out of this draft, build up the rest of the team. Not like we wont be near the top of the draft next year as well.


Assuming no Luck scenario develops, I hope they stand pat and get 3 impact guys with the 1st 3 picks (2 rds). Good teams don't over think it. Although I like the idea of packaging lower picks to get back into the 2nd or even 3rd rd. Especially with all the 2nd-day types on this roster already.


They dont neccessarily have to stand pat to end up with 3 picks in the first two rounds. But if they stood pat, like I said I think Richardson would be tough to pass up there.

In no way would I pass up another Atl-type trade if the opportunity presented itself though.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:57 pm

I mentioned this in the other thread....guys, 1st and 2nd round picks are NOT going to be flying around. The financial part of the equation is gone, which was a main reason for teams moving them.

Do your homework in those rounds and you get a nice player at a bargain price for four years.

As far as the Colts go, dealing would be the ultimate sign of paying for the past. Cause you choose a guy that age in today's NFL, coming off a MAJOR injury, the outcome you aren't sure to be aware of on draft day over a guy EVERYONE believes is a slam dunk, you're making a mistake.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:24 am

Beat me with a stick for saying this but, the weakest spot on the Browns roster since '99 has been RB

Except for the Prima Donna's one yr wonderment of 2010 there's not been one player at that position who ever inspired hope

Even Couch showed more promise....

I'd love to see Richardson drafted and don't buy into the therory that RB's aren't worth that high of a pick

I remember people criticizing Baltimore for drafting Jamal Lewis at 6 coming off surgery on both knees...it was he and the D that carried them and Trent Dildofer to the SB

Richarson reminds me of Lewis and I'd be all over him @ 6 thru 11...or wherever
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:38 am

leadpipe wrote:I mentioned this in the other thread....guys, 1st and 2nd round picks are NOT going to be flying around. The financial part of the equation is gone, which was a main reason for teams moving them.

Do your homework in those rounds and you get a nice player at a bargain price for four years.

As far as the Colts go, dealing would be the ultimate sign of paying for the past. Cause you choose a guy that age in today's NFL, coming off a MAJOR injury, the outcome you aren't sure to be aware of on draft day over a guy EVERYONE believes is a slam dunk, you're making a mistake.


I agree for most scenarios but in certain spots that also cuts both ways, some of these really high 1st rounders were immovable in the past due to the massive amount of money someone would have to pay out for the contract, forgeting the cost in draft picks.

I certainly do not think the Colts are moving and I dont think another ATL offer will likely come those are few and far inbetween. But there will still be opportunities to move around and gather additional picks.

The reduction in contracts IMO, is not going to reduce the number of draft day trades significatly.It will change the value of the componants of such trades. I'm interested to see what Draft day looks like this season.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:09 am

JCoz wrote:
leadpipe wrote:I mentioned this in the other thread....guys, 1st and 2nd round picks are NOT going to be flying around. The financial part of the equation is gone, which was a main reason for teams moving them.

Do your homework in those rounds and you get a nice player at a bargain price for four years.

As far as the Colts go, dealing would be the ultimate sign of paying for the past. Cause you choose a guy that age in today's NFL, coming off a MAJOR injury, the outcome you aren't sure to be aware of on draft day over a guy EVERYONE believes is a slam dunk, you're making a mistake.


I agree for most scenarios but in certain spots that also cuts both ways, some of these really high 1st rounders were immovable in the past due to the massive amount of money someone would have to pay out for the contract, forgeting the cost in draft picks.

I certainly do not think the Colts are moving and I dont think another ATL offer will likely come those are few and far inbetween. But there will still be opportunities to move around and gather additional picks.

The reduction in contracts IMO, is not going to reduce the number of draft day trades significatly.It will change the value of the componants of such trades. I'm interested to see what Draft day looks like this season.


I agree. There will be trades. Maybe even more. Each draft will be different and it all depends on the player.

In this years draft, with a guy like Luck, that draft pick will command a Kings ransom. It doesn't matter if it's the old system or the new system. His talent far outshines any reservations about the salary.

But go back to whenever the hell Alex Smith was drafted and the first pick is all but unreadable under the old system. Nobody wants to pay that schmoe...and rightfully so. But if they had the wage scale in place, maybe that pick does become movable.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:41 pm

All I'm sayin' guys, is that a MAJOR component of MANY trades was the cost associated with a first round pick.

The financial aspect is now gone, making the first round picks more valuable to those who have them now, thus, there will be less movement, cause there's no reason not to want them anymore, whereas in the past there WAS a reason you might not want them. And that reason is now gone.

As JCoz mentions, the effect will be expotenially lesser with the second rounders, but I still see fewer trades (involving high picks) because what once evened the scale of draft pick supply and demand is gone, leaving a much higher demand than there will be supply. ILO.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:01 am

RG3 is freaking beastly.

dude just led a last second drive on his back.

we have to draft him.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:02 am

Triple-S wrote:RG3 is freaking beastly.

dude just led a last second drive on his back.

we have to draft him.


I'm jumping on this bandwagon. RG3 is a beast. Cannon arm, track speed. If he's really 6-2 he's gonna be a great pro QB.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:03 am

I am now buying RGIII.
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Unread postby bookelly » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:11 am

Kiper has RG3 at 19 (which is pretty close to that Falcon pick we're gonna get.) Good lord, could we get a top tier receiver AND RG3? Add a RT and a LB and we'd be getting somewhere.
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Luck
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Barkley

in that order.

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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:28 am

I'd trade our next 3 1st round pick if we could get Luck and Blackmon.
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Re: QB lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:14 pm

Everytime I watch RGIII play I come away more and more impressed by the kid.

That said, there is no way this team drafts him. Andy Reid changed his offense to fit Vick. Shurmer and Holmgren will not run anything but a pure WCO as long as they are here and RGIII needs a Philly/Carolina styled offense to succeed.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:43 pm

How tall is RGIII really? Does anyone know?

And does it matter?
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:44 pm

Tall enough.

And no.

(I believe HOODOOOOOOO has said elsewhere he is clearly taller than Vick)
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:49 pm

And seriously if this team drafts a WR or RB in the top ten Cleveland needs to just march to Berea and burn it down.

There is a lot of analysis I could do to prove that Super Bowl contenders don't draft RBs and WRs in the top ten, but instead I'll just say.... DON'T BE FUCKING STUPID.
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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:57 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:And seriously if this team drafts a WR or RB in the top ten Cleveland needs to just march to Berea and burn it down.

There is a lot of analysis I could do to prove that Super Bowl contenders don't draft RBs and WRs in the top ten, but instead I'll just say.... DON'T BE FUCKING STUPID.


This.

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