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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:16 pm

This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:21 pm

Think there will be enough damages awarded through civil litigation to bankrupt PSU? Victims list at 20 now, no telling how many will come out.

It appears there was a charity developed to put this guy, and possible other pro-NAMBLA degenerates, into close proximity with young boys. Admin at PSU knew there were issues, and did nothing. Sounds like criminal negligence to me.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby danwismar » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:24 pm

peeker643 wrote:This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.


Too soon, methinks
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:40 pm

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peeker643 wrote:This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.


Too soon, methinks


Meh...13 years or more...

And I didn't make it up, I'm passing it along. Don't kill the messenger. ;-) ;) :wink:

Erie, Sandusky STARTED that charity. It's his. Nice, huh?
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:41 pm

"The players didn't do anything wrong" barely registered as a factor for me before; now, after seeing that they gave Paterno a standing ovation following his retirement announcement in a team meeting, after that 1500-strong public spectacle last night...I no longer think firing & publicly censuring Paterno is the absolute minimum that should be done.

Cancel the rest of the season. At the very, very least. Vacating a slew of Paterno's wins--with the only decision being from '99 or '02?--and (again) canceling the football program (at least for an indefinite period of time) should be done as well, IMO.

If our perspective is truly this warped, it needs a harsh readjustment.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:55 pm

danwismar wrote:
peeker643 wrote:This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.


Too soon, methinks



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Re: Sandusky

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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:00 pm

peeker643 wrote:Erie, Sandusky STARTED that charity. It's his. Nice, huh?


The level of depravity is staggering. To use your position to start a charity for the sole purpose of a reasonable cover to be around young boys is unimaginable. He is on par with every other serial killing sociopath, absolutely no concept of right and wrong. And if the other reports are true about the creeps associated with Second Mile, it's a clear morally void racket who's sole purpose is to destroy innocents.

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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby danwismar » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:07 pm

Good piece by Bruce Hooley...he's experiencing the same kind of ambivalence about covering CFB that I was expressing above...

http://espncleveland.wordpress.com/2011 ... -get-here/
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:08 pm

peeker643 wrote:Erie, Sandusky STARTED that charity. It's his. Nice, huh?


How can this guy live with himself? Sometimes I get the creeps after watching regular porn on the interwebs, can you imagine the drive and lack of conscious this guy must have?

And everyone figured he was a decent guy. In reality he is the worst kind of monster.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:12 pm

peeker643 wrote:
danwismar wrote:
peeker643 wrote:This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.


Too soon, methinks


Meh...13 years or more...

And I didn't make it up, I'm passing it along. Don't kill the messenger. ;-) ;) :wink:

Erie, Sandusky STARTED that charity. It's his. Nice, huh?




The Penn State Creamery has removed the "Sandusky Blitz" ice cream flavor, named after former PSU assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, from its shelves and online menu, the Daily Collegian first reported yesterday.

Prior to the flavor's removal from the creamery website, The Big Lead got a screen grab of the ingredients. Sandusky Blitz was described as a "banana-flavored ice cream with chocolate-covered peanuts and caramel swirl."



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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:16 pm

danwismar wrote:Good piece by Bruce Hooley...he's experiencing the same kind of ambivalence about covering CFB that I was expressing above...

http://espncleveland.wordpress.com/2011 ... -get-here/


Yep, good piece.

I wouldn't limit that feeling to "covering" or "college" or "football," though. That's how I'm feeling about sports in general right now.

This scandal has really held up a mirror to what we are as a culture, and it doesn't look so good.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:33 pm

http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/columni ... f6878.html

Pay careful attention to just when this effing thign was written.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:36 pm

danwismar wrote:Good piece by Bruce Hooley...he's experiencing the same kind of ambivalence about covering CFB that I was expressing above...

http://espncleveland.wordpress.com/2011 ... -get-here/


I've kinda been listening to Hooley and that afternoon show and have kind of been pleasantly surprised out how not terrible the guy is.

He's not bad in small doses.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jclvd_23 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:46 pm

I scanned the thread and hadn't seen this linked yet. Pretty incredible interview with some information concerning the DA going missing, and the power Joe Pa actually had/has over the entire university.

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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:50 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
danwismar wrote:
peeker643 wrote:This didn't take long at all, though it rarely does:

If an older woman chasing a younger man is a cougar, does that make an older man chasing a younger boy a Nittany Lion?


Guess if you don't laugh, you'd probably cry.


Too soon, methinks


Meh...13 years or more...

And I didn't make it up, I'm passing it along. Don't kill the messenger. ;-) ;) :wink:

Erie, Sandusky STARTED that charity. It's his. Nice, huh?




The Penn State Creamery has removed the "Sandusky Blitz" ice cream flavor, named after former PSU assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, from its shelves and online menu, the Daily Collegian first reported yesterday.

Prior to the flavor's removal from the creamery website, The Big Lead got a screen grab of the ingredients. Sandusky Blitz was described as a "banana-flavored ice cream with chocolate-covered peanuts and caramel swirl."



Do ur dirt. ;-)


Woulda sworn that piece was from the Onion or something similar. It's NBCsports.com or at least one of the blogs affiliated with them. And while that entity does continue to employ Jimmy Roberts for no good reason, I doubt they're making that ice cream ingredient list up.

Unreal. Now I wanna know if Sandusky had ANY input into the flavors in his blend and if that's another sign of his sickness.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:20 pm

HoodooMan wrote:"The players didn't do anything wrong" barely registered as a factor for me before; now, after seeing that they gave Paterno a standing ovation following his retirement announcement in a team meeting, after that 1500-strong public spectacle last night...I no longer think firing & publicly censuring Paterno is the absolute minimum that should be done.

Cancel the rest of the season. At the very, very least. Vacating a slew of Paterno's wins--with the only decision being from '99 or '02?--and (again) canceling the football program (at least for an indefinite period of time) should be done as well, IMO.

If our perspective is truly this warped, it needs a harsh readjustment.


I'm in this corner now. Way too many voices of support aimed toward suspects in the know to hold onto any type of respect for innocent bystanders of the program (IE players fans).
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:31 pm

FUDU wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:"The players didn't do anything wrong" barely registered as a factor for me before; now, after seeing that they gave Paterno a standing ovation following his retirement announcement in a team meeting, after that 1500-strong public spectacle last night...I no longer think firing & publicly censuring Paterno is the absolute minimum that should be done.

Cancel the rest of the season. At the very, very least. Vacating a slew of Paterno's wins--with the only decision being from '99 or '02?--and (again) canceling the football program (at least for an indefinite period of time) should be done as well, IMO.

If our perspective is truly this warped, it needs a harsh readjustment.


I'm in this corner now. Way too many voices of support aimed toward suspects in the know to hold onto any type of respect for innocent bystanders of the program (IE players fans).


Can't paint them all that way though FUDU. I went to PSU two weekends ago with a buddy of mine who went there (as did his wife). I asked him what he was thinking and feeling and he said, "Sick. I've lost any and all respect and admiration for the people I grew up with who are part of the program. I'm disgusted."

And, at the risk of sounding like that angry, old man, the kids singing his name lack any perspective and a lot of life experience. I think we're also not naive enough to believe this wouldn't happen anywhere else where kids and group-think combine.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:33 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Pay careful attention to just when this effing thign was written.


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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:36 pm

peeker643 wrote:
FUDU wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:"The players didn't do anything wrong" barely registered as a factor for me before; now, after seeing that they gave Paterno a standing ovation following his retirement announcement in a team meeting, after that 1500-strong public spectacle last night...I no longer think firing & publicly censuring Paterno is the absolute minimum that should be done.

Cancel the rest of the season. At the very, very least. Vacating a slew of Paterno's wins--with the only decision being from '99 or '02?--and (again) canceling the football program (at least for an indefinite period of time) should be done as well, IMO.

If our perspective is truly this warped, it needs a harsh readjustment.


I'm in this corner now. Way too many voices of support aimed toward suspects in the know to hold onto any type of respect for innocent bystanders of the program (IE players fans).


Can't paint them all that way though FUDU. I went to PSU two weekends ago with a buddy of mine who went there (as did his wife). I asked him what he was thinking and feeling and he said, "Sick. I've lost any and all respect and admiration for the people I grew up with who are part of the program. I'm disgusted."

And, at the risk of sounding like that angry, old man, the kids singing his name lack any perspective and a lot of life experience. I think we're also not naive enough to believe this wouldn't happen anywhere else where kids and group-think combine.

Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc. B/C as we're being grossly reminded of right now it is only football.

I'm also with you in I find little shock in this development, have just seen too much and been beaten down enough, it's the Dennis Leary in me I guess.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:37 pm

peeker643 wrote:Can't paint them all that way though FUDU.


How many?

ESPN Sportsnation poll:

Should Joe Paterno coach Penn State this weekend against Nebraska?

Yes: 61%
No: 39%

PA numbers:

Yes: 68%
No: 32%
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:39 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Can't paint them all that way though FUDU.


How many?

ESPN Sportsnation poll:

Should Joe Paterno coach Penn State this weekend against Nebraska?

Yes: 61%
No: 39%

PA numbers:

Yes: 68%
No: 32%


Really shocked that 61% said yes. Would've thought it would be the reverse.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:42 pm

FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby JCoz » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:44 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Pay careful attention to just when this effing thign was written.


And yet somehow this got absolutely no play whatsoever...anywhere..the media was far too busy with free tattoos and sold memorabilia at Ohio State.
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hiko wrote:Really shocked that 61% said yes. Would've thought it would be the reverse.


I think the % of people that said yes that have read the GJ report (outside of PA) is probably approaching 0%
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:48 pm

hiko wrote:Really shocked that 61% said yes. Would've thought it would be the reverse.


In another poll, only 30% of voters say they're following the story closely, so I assume an awful lot of this national sentiment is rooted in pure ignorance.

But the 68% in PA, which, if you split the difference between that and the national number (considering the eastern half of the state is more likely closer to that %), is probably more like 75% in WPA?

Those people are almost certainly following the story closely (61% in PA--split the difference again, that puts you in the 90%s). They're the people represented by those idiots marching last night, they're the people who are prepared to fill that stadium this weekend like nothing ever happened, they're the people more concerned about some egocentric asshole's legacy than anything else.

So, so F'd.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:49 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Can't paint them all that way though FUDU.


How many?

ESPN Sportsnation poll:

Should Joe Paterno coach Penn State this weekend against Nebraska?

Yes: 61%
No: 39%

PA numbers:

Yes: 68%
No: 32%


Umm... anywhere between 32% and 39% of them?

The top number is obviously skewed by Nebraska fans ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:49 pm

JCoz wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Pay careful attention to just when this effing thign was written.


And yet somehow this got absolutely no play whatsoever...anywhere..the media was far too busy with free tattoos and sold memorabilia at Ohio State.


That's the first thing I thought. Who has time for this when you're hiding in Terrelle Pryor's bushes trying to see what car he's driving?
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:50 pm

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FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.

Not sure I agree with all that, but I do get what you're saying. I mean if you're suggesting that all the fans that have known of this secret/well hidden history and still wake up every Saturday and go tailgating in their white shirts are hypocritical POS scumbags well I can't speak to that simply b/c maybe some people are holding on tight to the notion of giving benefit of the doubt when one is not proven guilty?

But I get it, what does it say about so many, so many of us fans that seemingly put these sporting events so high on a pedestal, if we don't instantly walk away from our loyalties with these programs/franchises when something this real and this important takes place.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:53 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.


Amen. Cleveland Fans (in general) are completely guilty of enabling LeBron to be the d-bag that he is. And it's not like they learned from it - they turned around and idolized Peyton Hillis instead.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:55 pm

HoodooMan wrote:In another poll, only 30% of voters say they're following the story closely, so I assume an awful lot of this national sentiment is rooted in pure ignorance.


Which gets to the point that a lot of this 'moral indignation' actually may be more of a parochial, "Yeah...eff you..how you like this shit Penn State...deal with it". Any loss you can deal a rival is a good loss, even if it's something like this in the court of uninformed public opinion.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:57 pm

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FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.


Amen. Cleveland Fans (in general) are completely guilty of enabling LeBron to be the d-bag that he is. And it's not like they learned from it - they turned around and idolized Peyton Hillis instead.

I think caution needs used when talking about the notion of idolizing these athletes, b/c frankly as a grown man I have zero vested interest or emotional ties to any of these guys outside of hoping they perform well when on the field for a team I root for. Nor do I know any grown men who idolize a pro athlete. I do get the point though that society in general allows these men to be idolized. It just sounds elitist and is a pretty broad stroke to state it as you did IMO.
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Re: Sandusky

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FUDU wrote:
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FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.

Not sure I agree with all that, but I do get what you're saying. I mean if you're suggesting that all the fans that have known of this secret/well hidden history and still wake up every Saturday and go tailgating in their white shirts are hypocritical POS scumbags well I can't speak to that simply b/c maybe some people are holding on tight to the notion of giving benefit of the doubt when one is not proven guilty?

But I get it, what does it say about so many, so many of us fans that seemingly put these sporting events so high on a pedestal, if we don't instantly walk away from our loyalties with these programs/franchises when something this real and this important takes place.


Not sure you need to walk away from the program/franchise, but clearly the PSU situation was one where the powers that be felt the identity of their program/franchise WAS those individuals whose reputations would be tarnished, so they felt compelled to protect them (and - in their mind - the program/franchise).

The program/franchise would've been just fine (soon enough) had the powers that be offered up Sandusky's head when they had a chance. Employees are NOT the program.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:59 pm

Donny, I'm not even talking about anything that specific.

Anyone who supports PSU football contributes to an atmosphere where, to take one of several examples from that Grand Jury Report, a janitor's first thought upon witnessing Sandusky blowing a kid in the shower is to fear for his job if he says anything.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:59 pm

hiko wrote:
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FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.


Amen. Cleveland Fans (in general) are completely guilty of enabling LeBron to be the d-bag that he is. And it's not like they learned from it - they turned around and idolized Peyton Hillis instead.


LeBron was a douchebag long before most Cleveland fans (in general) knew who he was. As soon as it was apparent that he was gifted his 'family', 'friends' and AAU system saw to that.

Not saying he wasn't enabled in a huge way by Cleveland fans, but his path to douchebaggery began long before his name was known by most. And I don't think for a second it would have been different had LeBron started in any other city.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:01 pm

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HoodooMan wrote:In another poll, only 30% of voters say they're following the story closely, so I assume an awful lot of this national sentiment is rooted in pure ignorance.


Which gets to the point that a lot of this 'moral indignation' actually may be more of a parochial, "Yeah...eff you..how you like this shit Penn State...deal with it". Any loss you can deal a rival is a good loss, even if it's something like this in the court of uninformed public opinion.


I think it's unlikely that that's what it is. At least for the vast majority of people.

Like JCoz above, I was equating "ignorance" with "having not read the Grand Jury Report."
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Re: Sandusky

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HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:In another poll, only 30% of voters say they're following the story closely, so I assume an awful lot of this national sentiment is rooted in pure ignorance.


Which gets to the point that a lot of this 'moral indignation' actually may be more of a parochial, "Yeah...eff you..how you like this shit Penn State...deal with it". Any loss you can deal a rival is a good loss, even if it's something like this in the court of uninformed public opinion.


I think it's unlikely that that's what it is. At least for the vast majority of people.


I disagree. I know many people, including me, whose first impression of this thing before hearing the details was, "Fuck 'em...I'm glad those assholes that took over some sort of moral high ground when other programs had their tit in the wringer over tattoos and beach houses get to have their day in the sun now."
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:07 pm

HoodooMan wrote:Donny, I'm not even talking about anything that specific.

Anyone who supports PSU football contributes to an atmosphere where, to take one of several examples from that Grand Jury Report, a janitor's first thought upon witnessing Sandusky blowing a kid in the shower is to fear for his job if he says anything.

I personally cannot make that jump in assumption, and I'm not suggesting you're over reaching in judgment either. Some of all this stuff ties into things that I try to give people basic genuine respect and BOD on that they would act in the right manner if they were in position to, I've been around some of these situations and you see a lot of people go beyond the call of duty to do a right thing.

But damn if it doesn't sound like State College can't put on a horrific halloweekend.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:09 pm

FUDU wrote:
hiko wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.


Amen. Cleveland Fans (in general) are completely guilty of enabling LeBron to be the d-bag that he is. And it's not like they learned from it - they turned around and idolized Peyton Hillis instead.

I think caution needs used when talking about the notion of idolizing these athletes, b/c frankly as a grown man I have zero vested interest or emotional ties to any of these guys outside of hoping they perform well when on the field for a team I root for. Nor do I know any grown men who idolize a pro athlete. I do get the point though that society in general allows these men to be idolized. It just sounds elitist and is a pretty broad stroke to state it as you did IMO.


I would hope you don't have any emotional ties to any of these guys outside of hoping that they perform well for your team, but as someone who frequents message boards, can you doubt that the idolizers exist (and in droves)? There are plenty of people out there that root for the player above the team, or only root for the team because of the player.

The indefensible defense of JoePa is further proof that we as a society are unduly enamored with these individuals. There are people that are still infatuated with Tressel to this day. Some people just refuse to admit "I don't know jack shit about this guy as a person" and judge them objectively. Celebrity worship.

And I've been trying to sound elitist for a couple months now, so I'm glad it's finally paying off. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:14 pm

peeker643 wrote:
hiko wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:Of course not, but in terms of what gets done with a football season and a program right now, I don't think there is much harm is getting rid of it all for the short term now even though that stings many completely innocent outsiders etc.


Where are the completely innocent outsiders?

If you're a sports fan, to some degree you're an enabler to an awful lot of ugly behavior in our culture. This scandal wouldn't have been possible without us.


Amen. Cleveland Fans (in general) are completely guilty of enabling LeBron to be the d-bag that he is. And it's not like they learned from it - they turned around and idolized Peyton Hillis instead.


LeBron was a douchebag long before most Cleveland fans (in general) knew who he was. As soon as it was apparent that he was gifted his 'family', 'friends' and AAU system saw to that.

Not saying he wasn't enabled in a huge way by Cleveland fans, but his path to douchebaggery began long before his name was known by most. And I don't think for a second it would have been different had LeBron started in any other city.


I'm not saying we're any different, just that we (in general) are as much part of the problem as anyone else. One group enabled him before the NBA, then more enabled him after he got there. It doesn't matter who. But it's clear that he's an example of the kind of arrogance that accompanies being worshipped, and that the way he was treated (before he left) was an example of how celebrity worship will completely cloud the judgment of the masses.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:17 pm

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188680-100.stm

Paterno may not get to go out according to how he's dictating terms.

If these dorks can't see the fact that the image of paterno "coaching" or whatever the freak he does the next several Saturdays and on bowl day will leav an indelible stench on everythin Penn State even worse that it has they are derelict.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby hiko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:25 pm

jb wrote:http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188680-100.stm

Paterno may not get to go out according to how he's dictating terms.

If these dorks can't see the fact that the image of paterno "coaching" or whatever the freak he does the next several Saturdays and on bowl day will leav an indelible stench on everythin Penn State even worse that it has they are derelict.


I can't really imagine the Christ-awful mess that is waiting on Saturday with the media onslaught and the opposing pro-Paterno and anti-Paterno demonstrations and the almost-inevitable riot that will occur between them.

But that probably ain't as bad as what's waiting the first time PSU goes on the road. A complete and utter circus awaits at all Pedophile Sanctuary U games from now until the end of the year if JoePa stays on.

That's why the Trustees will think about axing him.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:32 pm

jclvd_23 wrote:I scanned the thread and hadn't seen this linked yet. Pretty incredible interview with some information concerning the DA going missing, and the power Joe Pa actually had/has over the entire university.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqa9OvJv ... r_embedded

Wow the last minute of that....JFC.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:39 pm

hiko wrote:But that probably ain't as bad as what's waiting the first time PSU goes on the road. A complete and utter circus awaits at all Pedophile Sanctuary U games from now until the end of the year if JoePa stays on.



1st roadie is next wee in C-bus. Next is the following in Madison.

Heh. Guessing the sensitivity level of drunken Buckeye fan isn't going to be in overdrive. And Whisky? Jesus.

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peeker643 wrote:I disagree. I know many people, including me, whose first impression of this thing before hearing the details was, "Fuck 'em...I'm glad those assholes that took over some sort of moral high ground when other programs had their tit in the wringer over tattoos and beach houses get to have their day in the sun now."


And my first thought was, "I get to make a joke about e0 being molested."

The "before hearing the details" part is kind of what I'm talking about.
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Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:43 pm

peeker643 wrote:LeBron was a douchebag long before most Cleveland fans (in general) knew who he was. As soon as it was apparent that he was gifted his 'family', 'friends' and AAU system saw to that.


In a culture that isn't obsessed with sports, he isn't considered gifted and there's no such thing as AAU.
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Re: Sandusky

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HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I disagree. I know many people, including me, whose first impression of this thing before hearing the details was, "Fuck 'em...I'm glad those assholes that took over some sort of moral high ground when other programs had their tit in the wringer over tattoos and beach houses get to have their day in the sun now."


And my first thought was, "I get to make a joke about e0 being molested."

The "before hearing the details" part is kind of what I'm talking about.


Okay, I also had the "I get to make a joke about e0" too. Then it was, "Eff you PSU...."

But it was close.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:48 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I disagree. I know many people, including me, whose first impression of this thing before hearing the details was, "Fuck 'em...I'm glad those assholes that took over some sort of moral high ground when other programs had their tit in the wringer over tattoos and beach houses get to have their day in the sun now."


And my first thought was, "I get to make a joke about e0 being molested."

The "before hearing the details" part is kind of what I'm talking about.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This. Except for me it was reading the GJT.

And now no one will ever read that I think the corret answer to the "cougar" counter part question above is NOT a Nittany Lion. It is either a Tailpipe Tiger or a NAMBLA Lion. Either will work. But no one will ever see that i am so disgusted.
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Re: Sandusky

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:48 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:LeBron was a douchebag long before most Cleveland fans (in general) knew who he was. As soon as it was apparent that he was gifted his 'family', 'friends' and AAU system saw to that.


In a culture that isn't obsessed with sports, he isn't considered gifted and there's no such thing as AAU.


Two separate conversations I was having. Agreed. However, orgs like the Jimmy V Foundation (and thousands of others including Sandusky's) would also be missing. We've just got the priorities so far out of whack that it's probably too far gone.
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Re: Sandusky

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peeker643 wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
peeker643 wrote:LeBron was a douchebag long before most Cleveland fans (in general) knew who he was. As soon as it was apparent that he was gifted his 'family', 'friends' and AAU system saw to that.


In a culture that isn't obsessed with sports, he isn't considered gifted and there's no such thing as AAU.


Two separate conversations I was having. Agreed. However, orgs like the Jimmy V Foundation (and thousands of others including Sandusky's) would also be missing. We've just got the priorities so far out of whack that it's probably too far gone.



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