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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:12 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:
I want you to look at guys like Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, and Josh Freeman as recent examples of QB's who took over dogshit teams and were able to transform them into playoff teams within 2 years of less.

I will be praising all that's holy if we land Football LeBron.

LeBron won a crapload of championships while in c-town correct? Look at all those awesome players he had while here. Ryan has a RB who had 1600 yards Ryan's rookie season and 1300+ last year. His main receiver over 1300+ yards on '08 and '10. Stafford has Calvin Johnson and Freem's QB rating for his first 10 games was under 60......


Yeah, um, that's this whole other sport. They use a big orange ball. It's round.

Which is what my LeBron comment was directed to.......

Again.....one guy ain't gonna cut it. Ask Cam Newton, who is making the NFL look like Madden 2011, and his 1-5 (looks to be 2-5 now...yipee)Panther team.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:13 pm

At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:14 pm

This could easily have been 12-3.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:15 pm

So I guess a win is a win, right?
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby RC » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:15 pm

I know this game was horrible but I'm still happy they won.

I'm not a Suck for Luck type of guy.

You play to win the game.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:16 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So I guess a win is a win, right?


Nope. Just not a loss.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:16 pm

It's probabably a good idea for Sonoranreptile, SSS, and Iself to remember during our little "should we take Andrew Luck" discussion (in which I'm clearly and definitively correct) that it means fuck-all anyway. It ain't happening.

We're just too damn good this year. :hide:

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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:17 pm

Erie Warrior wrote:This could easily have been 12-3.


+100 internets.

You've been en fuego lately.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:18 pm

motherscratcher wrote:It's probabably a good idea for Sonoranreptile, SSS, and Iself to remember during our little "should we take Andrew Luck" discussion (in which I'm clearly and definitively correct) that it means fuck-all anyway. It ain't happening.

We're just too damn good this year. :hide:

(That's right Peeker, I said "we")


he's such a little shitfuck for letting "we" annoy him.

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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:18 pm

Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:20 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:Again.....one guy ain't gonna cut it. Ask Cam Newton, who is making the NFL look like Madden 2011, and his 1-5 (looks to be 2-5 now...yipee)Panther team.


I think we all understand that. But, I'm still waiting for you to explain why the Browns should not draft Andrew Luck (if such a thing were possible) simply because the other players on his team aint good. The Browns certainly need to be upgraded in multiple areas. Explain to me why we should upgrade the most important one last.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby BruceK » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:22 pm

Given the nature of Browns fans, we can't draft a quarterback whose name rhymes with "Fuck"

BTW, sucking your way to a win is better than sucking your way to a loss.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:23 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".


I don't know. I don't see this happening even if they are 2-8.

I guess I'm just a hopeless romantic.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:25 pm

And i don't even give a shit if we draft Andrew Luck. So many people have such a ridiculous hard-on for him it's become redundant to hear how messiah like he is.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:28 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:It's probabably a good idea for Sonoranreptile, SSS, and Iself to remember during our little "should we take Andrew Luck" discussion (in which I'm clearly and definitively correct) that it means fuck-all anyway. It ain't happening.

We're just too damn good this year. :hide:

(That's right Peeker, I said "we")


he's such a little shitfuck for letting "we" annoy him.

What a bald turd.


Careful, that's captain cleveland you're talking about!
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:30 pm

Don't understand all this 'if we get Andrew Luck' talk. Does anyone really think that we have a chance at this?
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:34 pm

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sonoranreptile wrote:Again.....one guy ain't gonna cut it. Ask Cam Newton, who is making the NFL look like Madden 2011, and his 1-5 (looks to be 2-5 now...yipee)Panther team.


I think we all understand that. But, I'm still waiting for you to explain why the Browns should not draft Andrew Luck (if such a thing were possible) simply because the other players on his team aint good. The Browns certainly need to be upgraded in multiple areas. Explain to me why we should upgrade the most important one last.

Never said we shouldn't draft him.....and don't get me wrong I KNOW there is no way in hell we are going to. Just using him as an example. We draft him, he has no one around him, we end up 5-11 (same record as with Quinn, Anderson, etc). Then what happens? Full-on "trade Luck!!" comments, articles, signs, banners, etc. He was supposed to be the messiah for 2012, but apparently was nothing but a false prophet. Nevermind the no-talent other 10 people on the field with him.......
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:36 pm

I want the TEAM to win.....plain and simple. I don't want 1 person racking up yard after yard just to lose the game 35-31 in OT. I would rather win shitty 6-3.......
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:40 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:Again.....one guy ain't gonna cut it. Ask Cam Newton, who is making the NFL look like Madden 2011, and his 1-5 (looks to be 2-5 now...yipee)Panther team.


I think we all understand that. But, I'm still waiting for you to explain why the Browns should not draft Andrew Luck (if such a thing were possible) simply because the other players on his team aint good. The Browns certainly need to be upgraded in multiple areas. Explain to me why we should upgrade the most important one last.

Never said we shouldn't draft him.....and don't get me wrong I KNOW there is no way in hell we are going to. Just using him as an example. We draft him, he has no one around him, we end up 5-11 (same record as with Quinn, Anderson, etc). Then what happens? Full-on "trade Luck!!" comments, articles, signs, banners, etc. He was supposed to be the messiah for 2012, but apparently was nothing but a false prophet. Nevermind the no-talent other 10 people on the field with him.......


Who gives a shit about comments, articles, and banners? Give me a good QB to build around.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:40 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".



Jesus H. Christ man.

Shake yourself.

Who the fuck shoulda they had more patience with? Been back GD near 14 or so years. Name me the guys that they shorted time - only to have them to go onto NFL greatness....or NFL mediocrity even....or stick in the league?

The reason they've had all those QB's was causa fan's impatience? Or, moreso that the fans were correct, and they blew. Unless Chazzy, Spergeon or any other clowns are hidden on a roster somewhere. Can't wait for Palmer and Crennell to get their next head gig (as well as Shurmur), man we were stupid to think those guys were in over their head.

You know, fuck it. Let's be content. Bed and roses and all. When the commisioner rings us for number one, let's just pass on the pick cause one guy ain't gonna help us. Let's dig in with what we have - don't wanna allow impatience to spoil another great roster....

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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:41 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:I want the TEAM to win.....plain and simple. I don't want 1 person racking up yard after yard just to lose the game 35-31 in OT. I would rather win shitty 6-3.......


Me too. I want the team to win. And the fastest way for the team to win is with a great QB.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:43 pm

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Don't understand all this 'if we get Andrew Luck' talk. Does anyone really think that we have a chance at this?


Probably not.

EVERYONE STOP TALKING
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:48 pm

motherscratcher wrote:EVERYONE STOP TALKING


That's right.

And drop your pants while moving your pelvis in a circular motion while moaning "uhhhhhhh". This is called "the sexy dance", and it makes the ladies go wild with passion and lust. You're all assholes and you have no friends.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:59 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:EVERYONE STOP TALKING


That's right.

And drop your pants while moving your pelvis in a circular motion while moaning "uhhhhhhh". This is called "the sexy dance", and it makes the ladies go wild with passion and lust. You're all assholes and you have no friends.



Damn, all this time I didn't even know there was a name for it.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:45 pm

The Browns need more then a Qb, they need imacpt players on both sides of the ball. They have done a solid job I think in the last two years of adding guys on the d side of the ball who can do that. Now it is time to address the offensive side of the ball. I mean lets face it, You put Tom Brady in this offense with these coaches and he would not do much better. Sometimes you just don't have the talent to put around a player that can be a superstar in this league. Not saying that McCoy will be a superstar, I think he is an ok qb but if you get more talent around him he can be good enough to win us some games. Hell if Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can win superbowls I think McCoy is not dog shit and has the talent to manage the game and give us chance to win each week.


Andrew Luck or any Qb is not going to turn this team around in 1 or 2 years. The Browns are still at least 3 years away from being a contender in the North let alone in the whole NFL. The Bengals are ahead of us in this process with one draft. Dalton has shown promise for the Bengals and he has a #1 WR in Green who could be one of the best in another 2 or 3 years. Now with the Raiders paying a kings ransom for a washed up Qb they will have the draft picks to possible add more talent high in the draft. And well I hate to say but the Ravens and Steelers just don't rebuild they retool.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:59 pm

If you put Tom Brady in this offense with these coaches they would be LIGHT YEARS better than they are now.

And your right, Colt may end up as an adequate QB. youre also right that Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl a decade ago. So I guess there are 2 options.

1. Draft an elite QB, one of which miht be available in this years draft.

2. Hope that Colt is average and, put playmakers around him, and build one of the best defenses in the history of the league. Oh, also, hope that the newer rules don't handcuff your historically great defense so much that the elite QB you are facing in the Superbowl beats you anyway.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:08 pm

After putting the Captain America suit away for the week and telling the kids how we won the game, I can honestly say after being there that I feel no different than from my first post in this abortion of a thread.

Now it's time for dinner and the sexy dance.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:22 pm

Cleveland Matt wrote:The Browns need more then a Qb, they need imacpt players on both sides of the ball. They have done a solid job I think in the last two years of adding guys on the d side of the ball who can do that. Now it is time to address the offensive side of the ball. I mean lets face it, You put Tom Brady in this offense with these coaches and he would not do much better. Sometimes you just don't have the talent to put around a player that can be a superstar in this league. Not saying that McCoy will be a superstar, I think he is an ok qb but if you get more talent around him he can be good enough to win us some games. Hell if Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can win superbowls I think McCoy is not dog shit and has the talent to manage the game and give us chance to win each week.


Andrew Luck or any Qb is not going to turn this team around in 1 or 2 years. The Browns are still at least 3 years away from being a contender in the North let alone in the whole NFL. The Bengals are ahead of us in this process with one draft. Dalton has shown promise for the Bengals and he has a #1 WR in Green who could be one of the best in another 2 or 3 years. Now with the Raiders paying a kings ransom for a washed up Qb they will have the draft picks to possible add more talent high in the draft. And well I hate to say but the Ravens and Steelers just don't rebuild they retool.


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With Cam Newton Andy Dalton Mallett Ponder or Luck , the Browns may well have only lost one game this year if not gone undefeated vs the level of competition we've faced , butt we're 3-3 and lucky to be there because our QB has the armstrength of a girl can't make plays ,He's to weak armed to take advantage of presnap reads and hit his hots , so he bails like Charlie Frye instead of audibling to his hots , and making the defense pay.

Our QB can't make the throws required to beat the blitz , we'll subsequently be ground into dust as a result just as soon as this schedule gets to the meat .

Nobody has three years to rebuild , although it will add another year to our rebuild , because we stoooopidly tried to address the QB position on the cheap .

Until that position is filled , you have no football team , and BTW don't mention Dilfer or Johnson as your examples for anything .

Both played out of their ass during that game at levels at or near 90 percent well above their norm .

The only team who won with bad QB play was the inbred over the Seacrows and thats because the Rooneys bought up the zebras , Rapistburglar stunk up the joint , but not even a moron could argue the case 'he's not a top flight QB.

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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:22 pm

leadpipe wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".



Jesus H. Christ man.

Shake yourself.

Who the fuck shoulda they had more patience with? Been back GD near 14 or so years. Name me the guys that they shorted time - only to have them to go onto NFL greatness....or NFL mediocrity even....or stick in the league?

The reason they've had all those QB's was causa fan's impatience? Or, moreso that the fans were correct, and they blew. Unless Chazzy, Spergeon or any other clowns are hidden on a roster somewhere. Can't wait for Palmer and Crennell to get their next head gig (as well as Shurmur), man we were stupid to think those guys were in over their head.

You know, fuck it. Let's be content. Bed and roses and all. When the commisioner rings us for number one, let's just pass on the pick cause one guy ain't gonna help us. Let's dig in with what we have - don't wanna allow impatience to spoil another great roster....

Christ on a pony.


You're right....I stand corrected. Let's keep doing the EXACT same thing we have been for the past 14 years. It's worked so far. New coaches, new QBs, new offense....every fucking year. Again.....Luck is great. He has been sacked twice this year......I think he will need more reps on that aspect of his game before coming to Cleveland. Nothing prepares you better for C-town offense than lying on your ass with 600lbs of D-line crushing your soul.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:23 pm

motherscratcher wrote:If you put Tom Brady in this offense with these coaches they would be LIGHT YEARS better than they are now.

And your right, Colt may end up as an adequate QB. youre also right that Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl a decade ago. So I guess there are 2 options.

1. Draft an elite QB, one of which miht be available in this years draft.

2. Hope that Colt is average and, put playmakers around him, and build one of the best defenses in the history of the league. Oh, also, hope that the newer rules don't handcuff your historically great defense so much that the elite QB you are facing in the Superbowl beats you anyway.


+1 fucking on fire right here.

Even Pittsburgh, who had a world class defense for what...40 years now. Couldn't win a damn thing without an Elite QB at the helm. Lining up with dudes like Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Kent Graham, Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox only got them so far.

It took Bradshaw, and Roethlisberger to finally get them their rings.

And look at Baltimore, even after that world champion defense won a title they struggled like hell to come even remotely close to repeating that success. They had to go out and get a franchise guy as well.

You get a guy who's a franchise QB suddenly things are looking great. Suddenly you expect to have a shot at winning on Sundays no matter how good the team is. Suddenly those 7 round draft picks that no one thought could be any good are making plays.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:40 pm

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You're right....I stand corrected. Let's keep doing the EXACT same thing we have been for the past 14 years. It's worked so far. New coaches, new QBs, new offense....every fucking year. Again.....Luck is great. He has been sacked twice this year......I think he will need more reps on that aspect of his game before coming to Cleveland. Nothing prepares you better for C-town offense than lying on your ass with 600lbs of D-line crushing your soul.


So, just because we have been completely inept at finding a QB means we should stop looking? We changed QBs so often because they all sucked. Like LP said, name one QB we have had that was worth a shit after he left. one QB who shouldn't have been changed.

We need to keep looking for a QB until we have one.

colt may eventually be average. I don't think thats good enough. I hope like he'll that he changes my mind.

But if you think at getting a guy like Luck, whatever the cost, won't make us a better team for a generation, you're bananas.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:13 pm

Colt has had a year to prove whether he's worth further investing in. Ten more games. That's 22 starts total. That's more than fair.

He's shown flashes, but he's gotta string together something a little more than that. It's not even about wins/losses. I can deal with a loss here or there if it's clearly that the other team is better or that some freak of nature event happens like a botched snapped occurs. And to be extremely fair to Colt, he has not been the reason the Browns have lost those games, that's a good mark on his end. But you gotta be more than that if you're going to be a franchise QB in the NFL.

BTW, in case you're missing it right now. Christian Ponder is looking pretty good against the defending NFL Champs.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:34 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".


Would that mean we could print up t-shirts with this motto:

If it weren't for Bad Luck, we'd have no luck at all.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

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motherscratcher wrote:EVERYONE STOP TALKING


That's right.

And drop your pants while moving your pelvis in a circular motion while moaning "uhhhhhhh". This is called "the sexy dance", and it makes the ladies go wild with passion and lust. You're all assholes and you have no friends.



Damn, all this time I didn't even know there was a name for it.


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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:50 pm

motherscratcher wrote:If you put Tom Brady in this offense with these coaches they would be LIGHT YEARS better than they are now.

And your right, Colt may end up as an adequate QB. youre also right that Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl a decade ago. So I guess there are 2 options.

1. Draft an elite QB, one of which miht be available in this years draft.

2. Hope that Colt is average and, put playmakers around him, and build one of the best defenses in the history of the league. Oh, also, hope that the newer rules don't handcuff your historically great defense so much that the elite QB you are facing in the Superbowl beats you anyway.


Brady on these team just would not be the Tom Brady everyone knows. Shurmur is in over his head. Maybe if Brady was calling his own plays without Shurmur giving him the plays maybe. The offensive line has 2 guys Mack and Thomas who should be in the league. The rest are garbage and once they leave the Browns they wil probably be out of football or on a practice team. We would be better but still not good enough to win anything.

Brad Johnson and Dilfer managed the game and did not turn the ball over in those runs to the superbowl. They were not elite Qb's they were good. The Ravens and Bucs did have great D's but I am just saying it is not impossible to win with McCoy.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:56 pm

Going into the season I was ok with giving McCoy the whole season to see what he has and if he can show signs of being the qb of this team for years to come. So far through 5 games he does not look like he has what it takes to be that qb. No excuses McCoy just is not going to be that guy for the Browns.

I knew this going into this season if McCoy did not show he has what it takes. We have two first round picks and one of those will be used on a QB more then likley. But just as I said above even the guy we draft to hopefully be our QB of the future is going to take at least a year to get the Browns into the talk of the playoffs.

Also this depends on what happens with Shurmur and the OC mess they have made for themselves. He is going to have a OC but is Shurmur still going to call the plays? Is he going to give full control to the new OC to call the WCO that he wants to run and Shurmur is just going to be our HC.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:25 pm

Cleveland Matt wrote:Brady on these team just would not be the Tom Brady everyone knows. Shurmur is in over his head. Maybe if Brady was calling his own plays without Shurmur giving him the plays maybe. The offensive line has 2 guys Mack and Thomas who should be in the league. The rest are garbage and once they leave the Browns they wil probably be out of football or on a practice team. We would be better but still not good enough to win anything.

Brad Johnson and Dilfer managed the game and did not turn the ball over in those runs to the superbowl. They were not elite Qb's they were good. The Ravens and Bucs did have great D's but I am just saying it is not impossible to win with McCoy.


Yes, he would be the same Tom Brady. He would be the best QB on the field. And the a browns offense would be a metric shit ton better tha it is. I'm not sure how anyone could see it different than that.

Tom Bady >>>>>>>>> Colt McCoy. I have no idea how someone thinks that if you upgrade the most important position on the field (by a wide margin) from a guy who can't see more than 5 yards down the field and can't throw it that far accurately to a guy who is in the conversation for best of all time, you don't end up with a drastically improved team.

And I'm not sure how you are calling pinkston and lavaue garbage. I'll give you Pashos.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:59 pm

So you are saying that if Tom Brady was on this team right now the Browns woudl win the superbowl or have the same chance that the Pats do right now with Brady?

Pinkston and Lavaue need to get better and I don't see them getting much better.
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I think I've figured out who Colt is.

Colt is a more glamorized version of:

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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:18 pm

I don't think Colt will be as good as Hasselbecks been in this league. THe Browns would be lucky if he does turn out to be that good.

One more thing I did not know Dawson coudl still kick that far. He had at least 5 to 7 more yards on that one he kicked.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

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Cleveland Matt wrote:So you are saying that if Tom Brady was on this team right now the Browns woudl win the superbowl or have the same chance that the Pats do right now with Brady?


What the...I don't even...Where the hell did you get that? Where did I say anything like that?
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Unread postby Cleveland Matt » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:44 pm

hahaha, I am sure we can go back and forth all day. I think we are both on the same page that McCoy is probably not the guy and you need an Elite level QB to win anything in this league.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

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motherscratcher wrote:
Cleveland Matt wrote:So you are saying that if Tom Brady was on this team right now the Browns woudl win the superbowl or have the same chance that the Pats do right now with Brady?


What the...I don't even...Where the hell did you get that? Where did I say anything like that?


You don't have to, moscratch, but I will.

The Cleveland Browns, as currently constructed, would have a shot equal to just about anyone in the league at the SB with:

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees

That is how important that position is.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:17 pm

My only thing with Brady was the '08 team was able to post a winning record with Matt Cassel under a center. The other guys, you take them away and you have no shot at winning a damn game.

Pittsburgh is probably in the same boat, you put Leftwich under center, they probably still win the AFC North. Maybe not the Super Bowl, but enough to get you within a shot of it

Brady won super bowls with guys like David Patten, Deion Branch, Troy Brown. Terry Glenn and Ben Coates wern't exactly walking thru that door.

Other than that, those are the only teams that would have a chance in hell in the playoffs without their startng QB's.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:36 pm

pup wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Cleveland Matt wrote:So you are saying that if Tom Brady was on this team right now the Browns woudl win the superbowl or have the same chance that the Pats do right now with Brady?


What the...I don't even...Where the hell did you get that? Where did I say anything like that?


You don't have to, moscratch, but I will.

The Cleveland Browns, as currently constructed, would have a shot equal to just about anyone in the league at the SB with:

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees

That is how important that position is.


You get a great quarteback and you'll eventually win.

Wanna know how I figured that out? By watchin' the league.

Unless you wanna list me the great NFL QB's that were stuck on losing teams their whole careers.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:39 pm

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leadpipe wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:
Triple-S wrote:At least Cam Newton is looking like something worth building around.

I can't say the same about Colt at this point.

I agree......too bad Browns fans have NO PATIENCE anymore. What happens when Luck ends up in a Browns uniform, sucks his first 10 games and we are 2-8?? My guess, based on the past 30+ years of Browns fandom is the "Fuck Luck!!!" chants come loud and clear. With good reason since we have had a dozen or more QBs, head coaches, offensive and defensive scheme changes since "the return".



Jesus H. Christ man.

Shake yourself.

Who the fuck shoulda they had more patience with? Been back GD near 14 or so years. Name me the guys that they shorted time - only to have them to go onto NFL greatness....or NFL mediocrity even....or stick in the league?

The reason they've had all those QB's was causa fan's impatience? Or, moreso that the fans were correct, and they blew. Unless Chazzy, Spergeon or any other clowns are hidden on a roster somewhere. Can't wait for Palmer and Crennell to get their next head gig (as well as Shurmur), man we were stupid to think those guys were in over their head.

You know, fuck it. Let's be content. Bed and roses and all. When the commisioner rings us for number one, let's just pass on the pick cause one guy ain't gonna help us. Let's dig in with what we have - don't wanna allow impatience to spoil another great roster....

Christ on a pony.


You're right....I stand corrected. Let's keep doing the EXACT same thing we have been for the past 14 years. It's worked so far. New coaches, new QBs, new offense....every fucking year. Again.....Luck is great. He has been sacked twice this year......I think he will need more reps on that aspect of his game before coming to Cleveland. Nothing prepares you better for C-town offense than lying on your ass with 600lbs of D-line crushing your soul.



Again, answer the question.

If I'm wrong, what was the combination that the Browns should have left in place - you know, the one that would apparently be winning by now.

14 years, and their best all-time player is a special teamer, the sorriest collection of QB's ever, not a coach worth a damn - and the fans are somehow assholes cause they want change.

What the holy fukstik.
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Magic Brownies » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:26 pm

Look no further than the Colts. They lose their all-world QB, and they are an absolute shit team. Worse even than the Browns.

Ergo, Put a quality QB on this team, and we are instantly contenders
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Re: Seahawks vs. Browns Game Thread 10/23/11

Unread postby Triple-S » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:14 am

did you guys notice the stats they've put up on the defensive side of the ball?

8th in Points allowed.
4th in Total Yards
2nd in Passing Yards

Granted, did we play some mediocre squads? yeah. But this defense maybe the lone brightspot that we fan can hold up at this point.
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So was Randy watching a feed of his team's barnburner or was he in attendance at Wembley wondering, "If only..."
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Comparing Matt Hasselbeck to Colt McCoy is a horrible insult to Matt Hasselbeck right now.
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