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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:26 pm

I forgot that the game started late today..and apparently so did the Browns.
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:29 pm

No one else bothered to start one, so I'll do it.

Do I have to watch it? Some one summarize it for me and I'll write my article based on that. There are some good games on between actual teams, and I think I'd rather watch those.

Never before have I seen a 2-2 team inspire so little interest. Not that I blame anyone. Watching another 4 quarters of Colt McCoy flailing around isn't appealing.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Whoops, someone please merge.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby JJN » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:38 pm

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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:40 pm

Christine is on. I've already seen it, but then again I've already seen this as well.

Either way it's kind of scary.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:41 pm

You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:41 pm

I'm watching Matt Stafford attempt to throw an 80 yard hail mary.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:44 pm

The Old People Bumping and Grinding Offense in full effect.

Still too early for the Great QB Watch of 2012 to begin?

We thinking Barkley or Jones?
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:44 pm

Why is Rich Gannon doing a Ron Jaworski impression?
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Unread postby Big_Lu » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:45 pm

Dazed and confused...
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:46 pm

pup wrote:The Old People Bumping and Grinding Offense in full effect.

Still too early for the Great QB Watch of 2012 to begin?

We thinking Barkley or Jones?


love me some matt barkley.

think he's a great consolation prize in the attempt to get Luck.

not many people can march down the 'shoe at the two yard line and win a game like that.
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:46 pm

pup wrote:The Old People Bumping and Grinding Offense in full effect.

Still too early for the Great QB Watch of 2012 to begin?

We thinking Barkley or Jones?


Barkley is more overrated than Cats. Wouldn't mind Jones, though.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:46 pm

peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:49 pm

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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:50 pm

FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.


Has nothing to do with anything else. If you are a great QB, it is so obvious. And if you do not have a great QB, you are talking somewhere between slim and none for winning a sausage.
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:51 pm

It's the 2nd Quarter, time to look competent. Let's hope the game gets called at Halftime due to mass grief over Big Al's passing.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby googleeph2 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:52 pm

ooooookay, that brought me out of the woodwork.

Only listening on radio. I don't hear the crowd. Are they a factor after all?
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:53 pm

That was a good effort by Dawson.
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:53 pm

crap. 2-14. :-)
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:54 pm

fucking a.

met that guy after a clemson game..dude was like the fastest guy in cfb.

wish he wasn't playing for the raiders...son of a bitch.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:54 pm

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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:54 pm

pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.


Has nothing to do with anything else. If you are a great QB, it is so obvious. And if you do not have a great QB, you are talking somewhere between slim and none for winning a sausage.


Redundant over simplification, again.
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:56 pm

Can't wait to see Andrew Luck in there tackling on special teams and on the O-Line......should REALLY make a difference. What difference does it make who is under center if they have NO TIME to set up any play.....?????? And would it be possible to actually tackle someone??? Luck is a big guy isn't he? Can he play defensive end please????
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Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:57 pm

Triple-S wrote:
pup wrote:The Old People Bumping and Grinding Offense in full effect.

Still too early for the Great QB Watch of 2012 to begin?

We thinking Barkley or Jones?


love me some matt barkley.

think he's a great consolation prize in the attempt to get Luck.

not many people can march down the 'shoe at the two yard line and win a game like that.


S-cubed, curious how many Barkley games you've watched since that one?
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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:58 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:Can't wait to see Andrew Luck in there tackling on special teams and on the O-Line......should REALLY make a difference. What difference does it make who is under center if they have NO TIME to set up any play.....?????? And would it be possible to actually tackle someone??? Luck is a big guy isn't he? Can he play defensive end please????


Ask the 0-5 Indianapolis Colts.
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:59 pm

You mean the team that has a shitload of talent on either side of the ball? Or the old ass team on the field now?
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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:00 pm

FUDU wrote:
pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.


Has nothing to do with anything else. If you are a great QB, it is so obvious. And if you do not have a great QB, you are talking somewhere between slim and none for winning a sausage.


Redundant over simplification, again.


Please remove your head from your ass.

Is a great QB all by himself good enough? No. Nobody has ever said that.

But you aren't winning without one. Just not happening. Unless you have the best 52 in the league other than that one.

So the question becomes, which is more likely? Finding 1 great player, or 52? And once you have that 1 great one, the other 52 get easier to put together,
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Unread postby drum » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:02 pm

That was a nice return unforntuately
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:04 pm

How good WAS Peyton Manning in his first 16 starts????
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:05 pm

Forget Marecic, does anyone see any real promise in Monterio Hardesty?
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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:05 pm

Only teams that have won with a mediocre QB in the past 20 or so years.

1991 Redskins
2000 Ravens
2002 Bucs

I refused to toss Eli Manning into that, because for that one game he was one of the best QB's in the league.

So, unless the Browns are able to field a team with a GOAT candidate defense, or a vet. squad that you can plug in and play at will, they ain't going anywhere near the "gleam".

and McCoy is still looking like a new and improved, less rattled Charlie Frye atm.
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:06 pm

It's weird that if Colt has more than .75 seconds to throw and the receivers actually get open that he can complete passes......
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:08 pm

Wake me when the Browns draft RG3.

That's the only thing that'll make me interested. This is gross.
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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:11 pm

My homer glasses are on, but damn, Tajh Boyd looked fantastic last night.

wonder where he'll be when it's all said and done.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:11 pm

sonoranreptile wrote:It's weird that if Colt has more than .75 seconds to throw and the receivers actually get open that he can complete passes......


Do you watch anyone else play games? .75 is about what you get in this day and age.
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:13 pm

pup wrote:
sonoranreptile wrote:It's weird that if Colt has more than .75 seconds to throw and the receivers actually get open that he can complete passes......


Do you watch anyone else play games? .75 is about what you get in this day and age.

Hyperbole is lost.........

I have never seen any other team play other than the 2011 Browns......are the other teams any different????
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:13 pm

Boyd is not a real QB prospect, RG3 is.
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Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:17 pm

Can't believe there wasn't a "Intentional collar bone tackle" penalty called on the Browns.....
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:20 pm

pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.


Has nothing to do with anything else. If you are a great QB, it is so obvious. And if you do not have a great QB, you are talking somewhere between slim and none for winning a sausage.


Redundant over simplification, again.


Please remove your head from your ass.

Is a great QB all by himself good enough? No. Nobody has ever said that.

But you aren't winning without one. Just not happening. Unless you have the best 52 in the league other than that one.

So the question becomes, which is more likely? Finding 1 great player, or 52? And once you have that 1 great one, the other 52 get easier to put together,


pup you fail to recognize how often great QBs do not win the SB. Every great QB wins with a lot of quality help around him, every great offense has great play from the QB.

You don't need 52 and you need more than 1, that's why it's called balance.

By no means am I confident Colt is good enough to build around, however despite his poor play throughout much of this season he is getting very little help, from his line, his pass catcher or his play callers.

This many holes really blurs judgment.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:27 pm

We are not good enough not to burn clock there. 2 and 7 from our own 10 and we throw. And then again on 3rd.

Stupid. Just fucking stupid football.
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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:37 pm

man..jim harbaugh is an asshole.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:37 pm

hiko wrote:
pup wrote:The Old People Bumping and Grinding Offense in full effect.

Still too early for the Great QB Watch of 2012 to begin?

We thinking Barkley or Jones?


Barkley is more overrated than Cats. Wouldn't mind Jones, though.



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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:38 pm

googleeph2 wrote:Forget Marecic, does anyone see any real promise in Monterio Hardesty?


At least he's still upright and walking.....
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:42 pm

FUDU wrote:
pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
pup wrote:
FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:You can almost always count on Jason Campbell to make a game close. One way or the other. That fumble is likely all standing between the Browns and a 14-point deficit.

Complete futility offensively through the first quarter.


The frustrating part of all this is we always seem to have enough issues on offense to not be able to independently judge one position objectively. Then it makes you wonder if the coaching staff is part of the problem.

...not to mention our record often seems to reflect our team's overall stature quite inaccurately.


Has nothing to do with anything else. If you are a great QB, it is so obvious. And if you do not have a great QB, you are talking somewhere between slim and none for winning a sausage.


Redundant over simplification, again.


Please remove your head from your ass.

Is a great QB all by himself good enough? No. Nobody has ever said that.

But you aren't winning without one. Just not happening. Unless you have the best 52 in the league other than that one.

So the question becomes, which is more likely? Finding 1 great player, or 52? And once you have that 1 great one, the other 52 get easier to put together,


pup you fail to recognize how often great QBs do not win the SB. Every great QB wins with a lot of quality help around him, every great offense has great play from the QB.

You don't need 52 and you need more than 1, that's why it's called balance.

By no means am I confident Colt is good enough to build around, however despite his poor play throughout much of this season he is getting very little help, from his line, his pass catcher or his play callers.

This many holes really blurs judgment.


For the thousandth time - 100 QB's in that big game - winners AND losers. Take away the Hall of famers. Take away the guys that weren't Hall of Famers, but were MVP caliber the year they went. Show me what ya got left? Everone wants to say "look how they did it with Dilfer," when the reality is, 90% of the other times they got a PLAYA under center.

Now, to the point of this thread - and just how more that position has been amplified the last 4 years...you wanna try and win one with a mediocre talent - good luck to you - and let me know the next mediocre talent that does.

And by no means do I not recognize the value of controlling the line of scrimmage (on both sides) defense and all the other bullshit, it's just that CLEARLY you gota gave a great one. Again, the Pats and Pack are coastin' through the league without covering the pass.

By the way, BOTH these two teams are wasting my time. Don't care what McFadden does this year. Jason Campbell - maybe a backdoor playoff berth. Congratulations.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby hiko » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:43 pm

FUDU wrote:By no means am I confident Colt is good enough to build around, however despite his poor play throughout much of this season he is getting very little help, from his line, his pass catcher or his play callers.


This is true. Which of course means nothing other than we still don't have a championship-caliber QB, other holes or no.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:48 pm

Tell ya, Demetri Patterson was a nice, little FA get.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:49 pm

Christ....... how do you miss that sack? It's KYLE FUCKING BOLLER!
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:Tell ya, Demetri Patterson was a nice, little FA get.


It's not his fault, he wears 21.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:54 pm

holy shit..

dan wheldon died? wtf. I was taping the race to watch it later.
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Re: Browns V. Raiders

Unread postby mattvan1 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:54 pm

Triple-S wrote:man..jim harbaugh is an asshole.


And man, how I wish that asshole coached the Browns
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