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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:19 pm

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motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:23 pm

motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?


Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?


Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:37 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Ziner wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?


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And I'll have one of them take a giant shit in the foyer of his Boston hipster apartment. (if only I could find it. It's in this really obscured place that most people have never heard of.)



Ya know, I can't argue the fact that this post clearly demonstrates exactly why I hate you.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:03 pm

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Orenthal wrote: Do I have to go to war before I comment on that JB?


Did you happen to see Lawrence O'Donnell interviewing your boy Herman Cain last night. He was super classy. After he found out Cain was selected to "only" work for the department of Navy in the ballistics lab as a civilian he repeatedly asked him why he thought he had any right to be the commander in chief because he didn't enlist for the Vietnam War, but was in the lottery but didn't get called. Dude thinks he is lil' Olby but just comes off like a bigger jackass if that were possible.

If that meant so much to him surely he would have asked Obama why he never enlisted or would have just supported McCain no?

Foxnews is so damn slanted to the right.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:00 pm

peeker643 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?


Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?


Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on. ;-) ;) :wink:


So serious.

Kinda like calling out any tea party member who might drive on a road or use a park?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:22 pm

Ziner wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?


Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?


Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on. ;-) ;) :wink:


So serious.

Kinda like calling out any tea party member who might drive on a road or use a park?


Rarely serious Z. Didn't you see my winky-guy emoticon? I've tried to use them...umm...liberally. :hide:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:24 pm

my bad, thought it was half serious half joking. I apparently need a smiley per line... that should clear up any confusion.

For anyone interested O'Donnell/Cain interview

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _cain.html
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:11 pm

I actually think peeker and OJ make solid points that anyone from any side of the aisle can agree with.

Peeker's right in that hey at least people are standing up to be heard and the overall concern they have is about a legitimate serious issue in general. However where I think this all loses some steam and real impact is in their message, particularly their specific itemized demands, as OJ says. The majority of their demands are borderline ludicrous and really hurt their credibility to the point it makes one wonder if these people even live in the real world at all.

Kind of like the difference between being efficient and being effective.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:16 pm

FUDU wrote:I actually think peeker and OJ make solid points that anyone from any side of the aisle can agree with.

Peeker's right in that hey at least people are standing up to be heard and the overall concern they have is about a legitimate serious issue in general. However where I think this all loses some steam and real impact is in their message, particularly their specific itemized demands, as OJ says. The majority of their demands are borderline ludicrous and really hurt their credibility to the point it makes one wonder if these people even live in the real world at all.

Kind of like the difference between being efficient and being effective.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:22 pm

I've also acquired a secret weapon, Tarantula Hawks, promise not to tell CDT.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:32 pm

FUDU wrote:I've also acquired a secret weapon, Tarantula Hawks, promise not to tell CDT.


I don't talk to that pretentious douchebag CDT.
He can go eff himself. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:35 pm

Didn't your mom ever tell you if you keep making that face it will stay that way forever.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:38 pm

FUDU wrote:Didn't your mom ever tell you if you keep making that face it will stay that way forever.



My mom never liked talking to me for some reason. That's why I had (and still have after all these years) numerous imaginary friends. 'The McPosse'.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:00 pm

My favorite part of this thread is how far above everyone's head Peeks is living.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Peeks is typically Black and White, but he's trying to show THE ANGRY OLD MAN SIDE of the forum the benefits of free thought.

To be real, these guys are the fakest Haight Ashbury of fakest fakers ever. That said, the socialist and unrealistic points you bring up? That defined Haight Ashbury, something that redefined American Art and is one of the biggest reasons we finally found civil rights. But these are young people trying to exercise their brain while trying to be a part of this country. That is the single most important thing we can find. THE BABY BOOMERS WERE USELESS FUCKS THAT COULDN'T SAVE THEIR OWN MONEY, WE DO NOT NEED TO TURN INTO THEM REDUX. We're going to have idiots bouncing ideas off of idiots bouncing ideas off of idiots but hopefully we start finding some good ones (FOR THE NON BOOMERS).

Movements that are not based on hurting the liberties of others, like the Tea Party should always be allowed to grow, blossom and be. Fuck, even the Tea Party should be allowed to grow blossom and be, they have some good points, shame they turned into Racist Ron Paul. Even if it results to fuck nut like it will, our history is littered with shit like this somehow turning real after a bunch of a fakers found a real guy and the fakers were inspired and stuff.

Life wasn't meant to be limited to spitting white goo into a pink vag, shitting out a kid, living at 254 Oak Street and eating dick at a desk every day. We don't know WTF life is, but if it's that I'm hoping for nukes. When people explore and think on their own accord maybe it'll redefine life or maybe it'll make some of their kids laugh at their parents.

Peeks is encouraging the throught process, the Angry Old Men can't get by "BUT THEY WANT TO LIVE FOR FREE" when Haite Ashbury redefined living for free while redefining everything all of you fucks learned. Let's go uberman ya'll.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:25 pm

Haight Ashbury's message was delivered and created by those baby boomers. Civil Rights Act was 1964, Hashbury 1967, I think much was already accomplished on that front, but hey it redifined art. Perhaps the Summer of Love led to, "THE BABY BOOMERS WERE USELESS FUCKS THAT COULDN'T SAVE THEIR OWN MONEY..."

All you have to do is look at the substance of their demands. If rational = angry old man, guilty.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:29 pm

Shut up, Ronald And The Man crushed that shit as fast as they could. If not for what they produced the Boomers wouldn't even have let it's legacy live.

Do you want me to quote your hero Ronald on killing them?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:30 pm

BTW: that is the weakest counter you have ever written, you would have been better off just accepting what you are and moving on.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:41 pm

It ended with a "mock funeral" cause it was played out.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:15 pm

What the fuck are you assholes babbling about?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:30 pm

Good to know that OJ is so well educated he can't even differentiate between Hippies and Haight's. I'm grateful for both but I really am proud of you for refusing to embrace learning about expanding your mind beyond the box. Uberman and shit.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:35 pm

FTR: I've got ten dollars that OJ either goes Tea Party w/ his next response or Leo Strauss. It'll be cute either way.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:36 pm

Things old men hate: http://yfrog.com/o0koeovj
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:35 pm

The "mock funeral" originated at and ended Haight Ashbury. You come here acting all self-righteous with your dumb fuck posts about not "opening our minds" and that Regan ended it Kent State style. Or maybe it was those quotes you talk about like, “This fellow doing the talking had hair like Tarzan, walked like Jane, and smelled like Cheetah.”

Mary fucking Kasper gave the eulogy at Haight Ashbury, if she wasn't a Haight I don't who would be...

Your a dumb prideful idiot.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:47 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:My favorite part of this thread is how far above everyone's head Peeks is living.... blah blah blah ...

But these are young people trying to exercise their brain while trying to be a part of this country..... I am so fucking smart... blah blah blah... you are angry... blah blah blah...


I wish this guy was living over your head... look at him exercising his brain and being a part of this country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... E-CAR.html

Image





Really dude, get over yourself, shits real old. You are so intelligent, but can't even decipher the difference between an angry old man and someone mocking these people (at least in my case, Juice can speak for himself).
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:56 pm

AHAAAAAAH!!^^^^ That's funny.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:13 pm

Holy shit. I had no clue there'd be idiots and assholes in a crowd of thousands. What were the effing odds of that happening? ;-) ;) :wink:

Someone needs to publish a picture of of Tom Ganley or Scott Muschany to even the scoooooore and as a representation of all conservatives who blow trumpets for family values!!!!!!

Incidentally, this is a reason I'm a big Browns fan. There are no assholes that support my team down there on Sundays. Wait, yes there are. Now everyone's an asshole down there. :bag:

God Dammit.



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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:34 pm

Damn, some seriously substantial arguments going in here.

I took OJ's bait and jumped down the semantics train while giving him cover to hide from his hate for other human beings and the arts.

OJ found a magazine cover.

Ziner found a picture of whitey's ass. He than drank a beer and swore his white ass would never get that fat.

FUDU found a picture of a cartoon about e0 <- according to him *HEE HEE*.

CDT laughed and got drunk.

Peeker's an asshole.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Triple-S » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:12 pm

http://occupyherbstreit.tumblr.com/

also, enough of this garbage.

It's not that I agree/disagree with the protesters, just can't fucking stand hippies getting this much attention.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:29 pm

Al Gore now throwing his support behind this group. There never was a better front person or poster child for a cause like this. I wonder if he has even read any of their proposed corrective solutions?

He says he supports their cause but then also seems to blame Washington when the protesters clearly seem to blame Wall Street and "big business".

Link for the article:

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Triple-S » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:25 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/1 ... 11065.html

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:59 am

If Ziner can throw up a picture of some dude shitting on a car, and OJ can post a youtube of J-Boogie, it's only fair to post some youtube of a guy who looks like a mouth breather actually handing some Fox News guy his ass.



Whether or not you agree with any of his points, it is funny seeing a reporter run across someone who can actually think on his feet, pretty well spoken, and antagonistic.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:03 am

LOFL

Foxnews is so damn slanted to the right.

So?

Try finding any news on Fast & Ignorant on ABC...
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:38 am

You mean that thing where the sitting AG got subpoenaed?

I dare you to watch this shit and not think its leans towards communism...


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:18 pm

Saw three signs today on the signage of local businesses: "We Are the 99%"

One is less than 5 minutes from me if you want photographic evidence.

Here. In rural Madison. Of course, this bastion of liberalism that voted for Cain in '08 would be so inclined as to support the hippies.

The whole IDEAL died just like ya said it would OJ. :thumb up:

Some imaginations were captured? People prompted to do something, anything as a start?
Passing fad? Who knows. Who cares really?

Intentions more than dimensions sir. Always time to fix the latter, way too few of the former being created.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:03 am

Go back and read my posts, I never said it would die. I said its part of the Obama campaign, it won't die until November 2012, if ever.

It remains stupid, and without a message. Like the Democrat party its a disparate group of sometimes competing causes with no clear message. Now if someone in that mass, finds some idea I agree with and breaks away, like I agree with them on no bank bailouts, I'll support that person/idea/group. As constituted now, no way. I don't usually get behind people whom I disagree with...

"We are the 99%," is platitude. What is the policy that changes/addresses that? How is OWS going to meld its grievances into the political process?

Intentions... No thanks. Paving streets and what not.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:25 pm

Orenthal wrote:I never said it would die. I said its part of the Obama campaign...


Ahh... the Obama campaign in Taiwan, London, Rome (where 500 anarchists were disspelled by 'peaceful protestors) and Madrid? :thumb up:

It caught on and moved people to participate to a far greater extent than you believed it would. I'd imagine you're distressed by that. ;-) ;) :wink:

Jeez dude, like I said earlier, I've never in my life voted anything other than republican and yet I find it hard to believe how narrow some people are about talking and walking and doing something.

Gives us a really bad name. I'm tired of asking who proposed the idea and what side they're before I criticize it. :hide:

All there is in the beginning of pretty much everything is a seed or and ideal. Not even you went from sperm to statesman without some time and development. ;-) ;) :wink:

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Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:30 pm

No, I have judged them based on what they are saying. Their unofficial list of demands, the official list of demands, a broad selection of media reports (yes even the HuffPost, I read what I disagree with...). To argue whether they have been co-opted by the Obama administration is like arguing whether the Tea party was co-opted by the Republicans, Beck, Palin, and a host of blowhards.

So did the Arab spring lead to OWS. Are the movements actually linked?

IMO, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are in favor of people speaking up, the act more important then the message, or as you have later put good intentions that can be filled in later with detail. I just happen to totally disagree with that, and no matter how large the movement becomes, if it remains static in its current message and constitution, I'll remain opposed.

As for the rest, I'm pretty much talking about the movement, and your pretty much commenting on my reaction to the movement. Your open minded and I'm giving "us" a bad name.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:52 pm

I tend to lean with OJ's POV on this. I mean what good does it do to worship Satan.
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FUDU wrote:I tend to lean with OJ's POV on this. I mean what good does it do to worship Satan.


I have no idea what that even means. If anyone else does I'm sure they can explain.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:05 pm

Fucking lemmings.


For someone who votes (R) no matter what to call them "lemmings", is pretty funny.

I noticed you posted Lotionman's (yes, that's what he goes by) self hating Jew rant following lock step with the slimeball Emergency Committee For Israel and the right to paint some sort of Anti-Semitic motives with OWS.

Somehow you missed the Kol Nidre invocation before the start of Yom Kippur. At least you admitted to cherry picking.....

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Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:06 pm

Only if Satan worship is also going on in Rome and London. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:14 pm

I voted for Lee Fisher in the 2010 Democrat primary for Senate, and then voted for him again over Portman in the general.

The Lemmings comment is due to how they repeat the lines of that guy with the mega phone, and those fucking hand signals.

Oh, and hats with Tea Bags are stupid. (Fair and not quite balanced)

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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:24 pm

And Frankfurt, Berlin, Tokyo, Taipei, Glasgow, Madrid, Sydney, and 900other cities across the globe. HAIL SATAN!!! \m/ ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:25 pm

OJ, quit trying to be all centristy and shit. That role is filled.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:26 pm

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FUDU wrote:I tend to lean with OJ's POV on this. I mean what good does it do to worship Satan.


I have no idea what that even means. If anyone else does I'm sure they can explain.


It's the validity of a message, efficiency v. effectivity.

People have every right to worship Satan if they want, they can voice those feelings all day long, but to what purpose, what good is their message?

I'm not in disagreement with 100% of OWS message, although have they even clarified their message/solutions/actions, but I certainly see tons of flaws in what's been reported of it.
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FUDU wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
FUDU wrote:I tend to lean with OJ's POV on this. I mean what good does it do to worship Satan.


I have no idea what that even means. If anyone else does I'm sure they can explain.


It's the validity of a message, efficiency v. effectivity.

People have every right to worship Satan if they want, they can voice those feelings all day long, but to what purpose, what good is their message?

I'm not in disagreement with 100% of OWS message, although have they even clarified their message/solutions/actions, but I certainly see tons of flaws in what's been reported of it.


Ahhh.... so motivation to (ostensibly) change a failing system is similar to someone finding the motivation to worship Satan since satan worship gets them out of the house.

Got ya. :thumb up:

You forgot kids joining the Crips, Bloods and Latin Kings too. You know, other such ambitious pursuits. In fact, those kids have tangible goals when they hook up with the !8th Street Gang. ;-) ;) :wink:

Wouldn't be a real TCF thread without polarization by hyperbole. So we're on track in that regard anyway. :clap:
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:44 pm

I think you're being obtuse, or just missing the point. Message does count. Being a centrist I'm fine with their protest, fine with some points of their message, I think, b/c again they are so vague.

Are you personally fine with their stated facts that poses as a substantial part of their message?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:44 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:OJ, quit trying to be all centristy and shit. That role is filled.


Don't worry I'll never proclaim such an erudite position. ALL HAIL JESSE HELMS! Smite the evil gays, women, blacks, and whomever else encroaches on my white hegemony.

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FUDU wrote:I think you're being obtuse, or just missing the point. Message does count. Being a centrist I'm fine with their protest, fine with some points of their message, I think, b/c again they are so vague.

Are you personally fine with their stated facts that poses as a substantial part of their message?



WTF are you talking about? You're just spouting out non sequiturs and jibberish.
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