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Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:17 am

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Seriously. First Browns player to won POTM since 1986.

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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Triple-S » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:28 pm

atta boy nyquil!

Wonder what has led to his play as of late? the fact that they've got Rubin, Taylor and Sheard disrupting things up front, the play of the secoundary or the fact that we're in a 4-3?
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:43 pm

This has to be a joke, right?

Tackles are the most overrated stat in football.

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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:13 pm

"Browns LB D'Qwell Jackson, who missed all of 2010 with an injury and played in only six games in 2009, was named the AFC's Defensive Player of the Month. He has 30 tackles, 2½ sacks, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery for the 2-1 Browns."

Those numbers don't look like a joke to me. Plus, he plays for a winning team. :)
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:47 pm

I see a player that gets engulfed by blockers, and who's a day-late, dollar-short covering backs and TE out of the back field. I don't see a playmaker. He's looked better in the 43, but he's still not the player we hoped he'd be after taking him at the top of the second round.

# of tackles don't mean squat.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:30 pm

Any linebacker makes tackles. The good linebackers make PLAYS. Think about the last 10 years of Browns Linebacking for a minute - or an hour - and try to recall PLAYS that they made.

And Christ if the team isn't set up for that now. With that interior line keeping guys clean....

So, a poor man's Jesse Tuggle....wonderful.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Defenses are getting pulverized this year.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Prosecutor » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:35 pm

JacksonDysonJackson wrote:I see a player that gets engulfed by blockers, and who's a day-late, dollar-short covering backs and TE out of the back field. I don't see a playmaker. He's looked better in the 43, but he's still not the player we hoped he'd be after taking him at the top of the second round.

# of tackles don't mean squat.


I take it that 2.5 sacks, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery in three games don't mean squat, either?
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby sonoranreptile » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:02 am

Browns fans can't take good news OR bad news....you know that! This "good" news will just mean that Karma will come to bite us in the ass today when Nyquill gets hurt and is out for the season......That's all this good news means. It will come back to haunt us 10-fold. This is the BROWNS.....nothing ever positive lasts for long. :)
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:13 am

Pros, not trying to be a dick, but stats, even those stats, don't mean much to me when judging a linebacker.

As was mentioned unthread, the real litmus test for LBs is their impact plays...I can't recall too many from DQ this season (or ever).

Even on the forced fumble and recovery, I believe Mitchell really made the play (against Bush last week), but maybe I am thinking about the wrong play. And even if I am, the fact that I can't pinpoint the play kinda tells you something.

This ain't baseball bro...don't bury your head in the box score. Watch the games and let your eyeballs judge who's making the plays.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:33 pm

leadpipe wrote:So, a poor man's Jesse Tuggle....wonderful.


Unfair. A rich man's Jesse Tugle is still Jesse Tuggle. Better than Jackson.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:38 pm

JacksonDysonJackson wrote:Pros, not trying to be a dick, but stats, even those stats, don't mean much to me when judging a linebacker.

As was mentioned unthread, the real litmus test for LBs is their impact plays...I can't recall too many from DQ this season (or ever).

Even on the forced fumble and recovery, I believe Mitchell really made the play (against Bush last week), but maybe I am thinking about the wrong play. And even if I am, the fact that I can't pinpoint the play kinda tells you something.

This ain't baseball bro...don't bury your head in the box score. Watch the games and let your eyeballs judge who's making the plays.


I'm not trying to be a dick, either, but I'm pretty sure that sacks, forced fumbles, and fumble recoveries are generally considered impact plays. What exactly were you looking for?

I watched every play of every game so far. My eyeballs say DQ has 2.5 sacks, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, and a shitload of tackles. Sorry if you don't recall some of those plays.

I also read that Jauron and Shurmer decided before camp even started that Jackson was their MLB based on game film from earlier in his career. They liked what they saw and thought he'd be perfect for the scheme. Then he goes out and gets AFC Defensive POM right out of the gate, and we still get complaints that he can't play.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby gotribe31 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:43 pm

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JacksonDysonJackson wrote:Pros, not trying to be a dick, but stats, even those stats, don't mean much to me when judging a linebacker.

As was mentioned unthread, the real litmus test for LBs is their impact plays...I can't recall too many from DQ this season (or ever).

Even on the forced fumble and recovery, I believe Mitchell really made the play (against Bush last week), but maybe I am thinking about the wrong play. And even if I am, the fact that I can't pinpoint the play kinda tells you something.

This ain't baseball bro...don't bury your head in the box score. Watch the games and let your eyeballs judge who's making the plays.


I'm not trying to be a dick, either, but I'm pretty sure that sacks, forced fumbles, and fumble recoveries are generally considered impact plays. What exactly were you looking for?

I watched every play of every game so far. My eyeballs say DQ has 2.5 sacks, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, and a shitload of tackles. Sorry if you don't recall some of those plays.

I also read that Jauron and Shurmer decided before camp even started that Jackson was their MLB based on game film from earlier in his career. They liked what they saw and thought he'd be perfect for the scheme. Then he goes out and gets AFC Defensive POM right out of the gate, and we still get complaints that he can't play.


A fumble recovery isn't making a play, it's being in the right place at the right time.

There's an old saying...make the play, not the tackle. DQ has been decent this year, but all too often he's making the tackle off of someone else's play.
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby pup » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:45 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
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JacksonDysonJackson wrote:Pros, not trying to be a dick, but stats, even those stats, don't mean much to me when judging a linebacker.

As was mentioned unthread, the real litmus test for LBs is their impact plays...I can't recall too many from DQ this season (or ever).

Even on the forced fumble and recovery, I believe Mitchell really made the play (against Bush last week), but maybe I am thinking about the wrong play. And even if I am, the fact that I can't pinpoint the play kinda tells you something.

This ain't baseball bro...don't bury your head in the box score. Watch the games and let your eyeballs judge who's making the plays.


I'm not trying to be a dick, either, but I'm pretty sure that sacks, forced fumbles, and fumble recoveries are generally considered impact plays. What exactly were you looking for?

I watched every play of every game so far. My eyeballs say DQ has 2.5 sacks, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery, and a shitload of tackles. Sorry if you don't recall some of those plays.

I also read that Jauron and Shurmer decided before camp even started that Jackson was their MLB based on game film from earlier in his career. They liked what they saw and thought he'd be perfect for the scheme. Then he goes out and gets AFC Defensive POM right out of the gate, and we still get complaints that he can't play.


A fumble recovery isn't making a play, it's being in the right place at the right time.

There's an old saying...make the play, not the tackle. DQ has been decent this year, but all too often he's making the tackle off of someone else's play.


Isn't the job of a MLB to make a tackle off someone else's play?
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Re: Your AFC Defensive Player of the Month

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:08 pm

I'm not a D'Qwell fan. But if the entire LB corps was playing as hard and as well as D'Qwell that unit would be just fine.

I don't care if he's a product of he DL and the scheme or not. He's not an impact player, I agree with that for the most part. He has zero tackles for loss. But he has a few sacks, has forced a fumble and when he's meeting guys at or near the line of scrimmage I'm not seeing him get knocked back 3-5 yards either. He's knocking backs down on impact. He's not knocking them backward but he's played well IMO.

He's running sideline to sideline and making tackles.
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