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by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:04 am
by mistero » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:27 am
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:59 am
JCoz wrote:So I'm sure there is alot to talk about and I'm just going to start with a couple things. This pass rush was very impressive yesterday, how about the Browns leading the AFC in sacks?2nd in the NFL? No one saw that coming I can safely say. Sheard just looks like a completely dif player at RE. They also seem to be playing him very wide...not like the Eagles and Lions are doing, but still, looks like he is playing a 7 or 9 Technique...I didn't go back to look to be sure which. But he got alot of looks where he was against the TE yesterday, not even a RT.I know Jason made a comment last week about getting Brown in there at the middle and letting DQ roam at WLB, and I think that might not be a bad idea. DQ has been playing well but I think we are suffering on plays where he drops back into a zone. No defense can cover the whole field at once but we seem to be particularly soft in the middle where DQ is dropping back to on passing plays. I dont know if Brown can play better there or not.The other point I wanted to bring up is where in the hell is Evan Moore? Is he still hurt and they aren't fully reporting it, or are they slowly working him back in after another concussion...I can't think of any other explanation. This offense needs him in there. And hey, look at that, the Browns have a backup RB. Nice. Hardesty looked about 100x better than any Peyton back up has yet,and Smith looked good in his one carry (I think 1) as well, did he get back into the game after that?
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:07 am
by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:08 am
by Prosecutor » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:18 am
That really is nothing in terms of time and getting comfortable and they've put their heads down and found a couple wins despite the growing pains.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:21 am
by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:43 am
e0y2e3 wrote:You guys can give the D credit if you want, but playing average football against pond scum doesn't really excite me.The last three weeks have not been NFL football games, they have been perrenial bottom dwellers and a team that is falling apart at the seems pointing fingers at each other and begging the other team to take control of the game.If the balls keep bouncing this teams way against the rest of the shit they are facing (and hey, HAD THEY SIGNED ONE PLAYER THAT MATTER IN FA)they could even sneak into the playoffs before becoming next years 2011 KC.That, of course, would be Holmgren and Heckertt's worst nightmare, because when you try to tank last thing you want is lucky bounces and possibly the easiest schedule ever seen ruining said tanking.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:51 am
by e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:52 am
by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:03 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Everyone saw the schedule, that has nothing to do w/ the fact that this team pretty much sucks and is in coin flip land against pond scum. Evaluating anything against this is impossible (my major point, which just soared over your head).Just saying, the unbridled optimism about the D is a joke.When they run into a real offense then they can be a surprise. Thus far they are "HEY: NICE TO MEET YOU ANDY DALTON, CHAD HENNE AND KERRY COLLINS CORPSE!!!!"This team easily could have made a few strategic moves in FA and probably been a 10+ win team, which is what feeds my entire H & H tanking the season argument.Let's not comment on our D Ends, S, and OLBs being anything until they at least run into one decent team.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:10 pm
by JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:13 pm
by mattvan1 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:15 pm
mistero wrote:If I see them in the shotgun again on 2nd and 1 ,I'm gonna puke. Shurmer is really force feeding this passing attack when the game plan cries out for some old fashion two TE sets and between the tackle running.
by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:15 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:21 pm
by JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:23 pm
Let's not comment on our D Ends, S, and OLBs being anything until they at least run into one decent team.
by JCoz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:29 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:As usual you jump to being ultra-defensive.Did you not just state that it was the collective talking about the D?The post before I replied did Peeks not call them a pleasant surprise?
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:47 pm
JacksonDysonJackson wrote:My notes from yesterday’s game:- On Hillis…Peeker took me to task yesterday for my comment in the game thread. He seemed to think I was calling him selfish for not suiting up. That wasn’t the case…I was actually questioning his toughness for not playing with what was widely reported as strep throat. Little kids go to school with strep throat…so in a league where Ronnie Lott cuts off his pinky finger to play and Tony Romo guts it out with cracked ribs and a punctured lung, I didn’t think it was too much to ask for Peyton to suit up with strep throat. Closer to game time (and after my smart ass comment), reports came out that he was vomiting all Saturday and had a fever. I’ll give the big guy the benefit of the doubt. Egg on my face.
by mistero » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:27 pm
by JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:04 pm
Not to mention the sickest I've seen my kids is at times when they have step throat. It can be debilitating, clearly.
by hiko » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:08 pm
mistero wrote:Who's game plan? Not Shurmur's. The days of the power run game are over. This is a pass first team, like it or not.Yeah , I know. It's very obvious. Pass,pass,pass. I don't have a problem with that,but shotgun in short yardage?? Isn't that just being stubborn? We're trying to win some games here while we transition...right?
by mattvan1 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:25 pm
by scott » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:18 pm
by mattvan1 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:27 pm
scott wrote: If we a lucky enough to see a 4th quarter with the Browns on the good side of the scoreboard we will see plenty of Hillis and Hardesty pounding.
by Erie Warrior » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:06 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:24 pm
Erie Warrior wrote:Where's JB? I wonder if he still thinks Rubin is a poor 3 technique?
by Prosecutor » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:49 am
mattvan1 wrote: Percentage of run plays are down from 47% last year to 41% so far this year. YPC is down from 4.0 to 3.3. Some of that is game situations, no doubt. But we are not running the ball the way we did last year - and it's not because we're facing tough defenses. It's becasue it's not the Shurmur way.
by peeker643 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:28 pm
by mattvan1 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:46 pm
Prosecutor wrote:mattvan1 wrote: Percentage of run plays are down from 47% last year to 41% so far this year. YPC is down from 4.0 to 3.3. Some of that is game situations, no doubt. But we are not running the ball the way we did last year - and it's not because we're facing tough defenses. It's becasue it's not the Shurmur way.Maybe there's another explanation. Maybe we're running less because we're only getting 3.3 ypc and that's not getting it done.Last year the opponents weren't ready for Hillis early in the season. Later in the year his numbers dropped off dramatically after they started keying on him and he wore down. This year I think they're still keying on him and coming in with a game plan to stop Hillis first and force McCoy to throw. Also, we lost Vickers, Steinbach, and Womack. Two rookies and a second year guy are starting in their spots. From what I've seen the holes just aren't there like they were last year. I believe it's partly because of the change in personnel and partly because defenses are committing to stopping Hillis. Possibly it's also due to Shurmur's philosophy of passing more often than Mangini/Daboll, but I think if we were still averaging 4.0 ypc we would be running the ball more frequently, possibly 47% of the time like last year.
by hiko » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:09 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:59 pm
peeker643 wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:Where's JB? I wonder if he still thinks Rubin is a poor 3 technique?I wonder if he still thinks Sanzenbacher will make a shitty college receiver.
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