Republican Presidential Candidates

[swerb]

I thought Bachmann was outstanding overall last night. She got back in the game temporarily after her disastrous effort in the last debate, but still has zero chance overall.

The jumping the shark comment happened after the debate. I agreed her debate performance put some big holes in Perry, ones that will be exploited by Romney (doubt anyone else gets close enough, but I can pray ( ) fr Newt) or Obama.

She skewered Perry. Did a lot of damage.

[Orenthal]

Yeah, businesses are really held accountable. Shit, you can run your company into the ground by making stupid decisions that cost millions of Americans their pensions and savings, destroy the American economy, then you go to the Feds and beg for a bailout on our dime.

The definition of accountability.

The common man is saved all the time from his own greed and stupidity. It's become the American Way to never feel the pain of bad decisions.

Lead
Problem is, that spending continued with no good reason - and as i said, hasn't gotten us anything.

That's the beauty of baseline budgets. Passed after Watergate when Nixon was dead man walking. Before that legislation a President could just not deliver appropriated funds...

[Orenthal]

I thought Bachmann was outstanding overall last night. She got back in the game temporarily after her disastrous effort in the last debate, but still has zero chance overall.

The jumping the shark comment happened after the debate. I agreed her debate performance put some big holes in Perry, ones that will be exploited by Romney (doubt anyone else gets close enough, but I can pray ( ) fr Newt) or Obama.

She skewered Perry. Did a lot of damage.

IMO Perry is 100% style, but only 50% substance. This is a proper canidate vetting process, and hopefully gives us the strongest of these canidates.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

The common man is saved all the time from his own greed and stupidity. It's become the American Way to never feel the pain of bad decisions.

Big difference IMO.

[pup]

Being accountable is if you fuck up your own companies with bad decisions, you go under. You don't beg to be saved. The people overwhelmingly told congress NOT to bail them out.

But lobbyists' money buys powerful friends.

The reason why Germany is still a strong economy is because they didn't outsource their manufacturing base.

So at the end of the day, who is the idiot? The guy begging or the crew providing?

Get rid of the asshats, and there is nobody to beg from.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Being accountable is if you fuck up your own companies with bad decisions, you go under. You don't beg to be saved. The people overwhelmingly told congress NOT to bail them out.

But lobbyists' money buys powerful friends.

The reason why Germany is still a strong economy is because they didn't outsource their manufacturing base.

So at the end of the day, who is the idiot? The guy begging or the crew providing?

Get rid of the asshats, and there is nobody to beg from.

Fine, get rid of them.

You think they next group will be any less shitty?

You see anyone on the political landscape that wouldn't run over their own mother for a price?

[pup]

Being accountable is if you fuck up your own companies with bad decisions, you go under. You don't beg to be saved. The people overwhelmingly told congress NOT to bail them out.

But lobbyists' money buys powerful friends.

The reason why Germany is still a strong economy is because they didn't outsource their manufacturing base.

So at the end of the day, who is the idiot? The guy begging or the crew providing?

Get rid of the asshats, and there is nobody to beg from.

Fine, get rid of them.

You think they next group will be any less shitty?

You see anyone on the political landscape that wouldn't run over their own mother for a price?

How could you know? The people smart enough to get in there and fix it are too smart to waste their time trying. They are making 5 times the money for 1/5 the headaches.

Their should not be a higher paid job in the country than United States President.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Honestly, do you really think offering god awful amounts of money is going to do anything to weed out the assholes?

If Jesus Christ came back and ran for POTUS, he would be denounced as a socialist and terrorist loving liberal.

If you could pick one POTUS, Pup, out of anyone in our country right now, who would it be?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Richard Branson's plan (the super-rich businessman everyone seems to be clamoring about). Fodder for discussion obviously.

[JJN]

Honestly, do you really think offering god awful amounts of money is going to do anything to weed out the assholes?

You pretty much have to be rich to become POTUS these days anyway. We can argue what "rich" means, but all the candidates are substantially more wealthy than the average person (Bachmann is probably 10x wealthier than the median family).

And in terms of compensation, the job isn't half bad. $400k/yr salary + 19k/yr entertainment +$100k/yr traveling + $50k expense account. $559k/yr + all the bonuses and other compensation, including a pension of $200k/yr until you croak, secret service security for ten years (Slick Willie was the last with lifetime SS).

But anyone interested in POTUS doesn't want it for the money. Its just not an issue when you are operating at that level. Its about being the Number One Motherfucker on the Planet.

[exiledbuckeye]

IMO Perry is 100% style, but only 50% substance.

I'll put a little Texas spin on that for you: all hair, no cattle.

[Orenthal]

Richard Branson's plan (the super-rich businessman everyone seems to be clamoring about). Fodder for discussion obviously.

On Branson:

Agree that you can find people who would like to be less productive. I don't mean that as a swipe or to have any negative connotation. If you free them from thinking they will lose their job for not working 60 hours a week and 52 out of 52 you may find some that prefer more time off. This would have to be balanced with costs of having 2 workers do what 1 was. I'm sure there are plenty of administrative costs that are government driven that could be reduced to help this along.

Kudlow's follow-up was leading and a douche question. Branson didn't mention anything about government in his initial answer. Ah, he hits on my worry point in this follow up answer. Also I noted how Branson answered that he must not have explained himself well enough, that is how a true leader communicates. He doesn't allow Kudlow to lead him or agitate him, calmly reitrates his previous answer and Kudlow has to move to another talking point.

Even though it is a talking points it is the most pressing issue in my mind, and that is freeing the business owner to make decisions. To remove the burden of taxes and regulation. This can be dne in an intelligent manner, then the business owner MUST hire, and MUST use their capital to invest in American jobs.

It's funny cause his last answer was going to be the first part of my response. JP Morgan did bailout the US economy back in the day, but at that time business had the money and a good balance of power. The federal government had yet to fully embrace its role as dictator (hyperbole), and feel this has alot to do with people either looking to government, or looking to peel away at government as the solution.

[danwismar]

I think Perry is toast...and rightfully so, IMO. It's Romney vs Obama.

...unless things like Fast and Furious or Solyndra (and bad polling resulting from them) damage Obama so much over the next nine months that he is successfully "primaried" by some other Dem...unlikely, but altogether possible.

[Orenthal]

Losing Weiner's seat and recent polling out of California doesn't look good for Zero and the dims.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Losing Weiner's seat and recent polling out of California doesn't look good for Zero and the dims.

Doing your impression of BW, there, OJ?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I think Perry is toast...and rightfully so, IMO. It's Romney vs Obama.

You're absolutely writing off Perry way too soon. He won't be out until we see how Mitt fairs with voters in the southern primaries. Perry has a much greater ability to connect with voters in the south, and I think many folks down there have a less favorable view of Mitt and his policies.

[Orenthal]

Losing Weiner's seat and recent polling out of California doesn't look good for Zero and the dims.

Doing your impression of BW, there, OJ?

I stole that from FMB on another board, but I do feel I am becoming more partisan in overall, and especially concerning Obama. Probably due to how he is now framing everything in terms of a re-election campaign. Just reacting.

Gotta make those choices and the rhetoric is getting amped, I'm sure I'll calm down come December 2013.

[danwismar]

You're absolutely writing off Perry way too soon. He won't be out until we see how Mitt fairs with voters in the southern primaries. Perry has a much greater ability to connect with voters in the south, and I think many folks down there have a less favorable view of Mitt and his policies.

Just don't think the Perry-love will last. I got my first look at him in this week's debate, and I came away underwhelmed, that's all. No conservative I know loves Romney for his conservative credentials....but...

It almost doesn't matter. This election is a referendum on Obama. There were several people on that stage of GOP candidates the other day that I'd have to hold my nose to vote for if they were the nominee...but I would do it.

[jerryroche]

It's way, way too early to tell, because one or two more Repubs might yet throw their hat in the ring (Sarah and/or Chris Christie, anyone?) -- but at this point, it looks like a two-man race for the opportunity to knock off the incumbent.

Worst-case scenario for the Repubs: Perry gets lots of Tea Party love in the primaries and hands Mitt his lunch. Then, because he's TOO conservative, Perry gets wiped up by Obama in the general election.

Worst-case scenario for the Dims: Mitt squeaks through the primaries, then garners lots of support from the middle in the general election and easily sends Obama packing.

[e0y2e3]

FWIW: @fivethirtyeight echoes what OJ said CDT and he is, well, the bomb diggity.

Nate Silver shits on the Angry Right for a living, but what happened in Cali and NYC is BAD leading trends for the dems.

WAR: Karly Marx <- my candidate

[e0y2e3]

And yeah, Dan is writing of Perry too soon.

Just wait righters. He's your match made in Obama for four more years hell.

BTW: when is the last time a debate actually mattered in a primary Dan? Carter?

[JoJo White]

I cannot wait to see this man debate. Makes Bush 43 look like Aristotle.

As I predicted a month ago, Perry shit the bed last night and now the GOP establishment is running scared. No wonder he refused to debate in last year's governor's race.

Peggy Noonan: Perry is a "cheap, base-playing buffoon"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop

William Kristol: "But no front-runner in a presidential field has ever, we imagine, had as weak a showing as Rick Perry."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/spe ... 94095.html

Rich Lowry: "Does Texas Governor and Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry prepare for the debates? He clearly does, he just can't quite carry it off."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/ ... z1Yo6b7y2N

[swerb]

Perry is a moron. He got eaten, chewed up, and spit out last night.

(I'd still vote for him over Obama)

[swerb]

Jeff Ross in the Charlie Sheen roast , talking about the lack of star power on the dais ....

"Friends, roasters, enablers! Lend Mike Tyson your ears because this line-up is so pathetic that I was hoping I would get replaced by Ashton Kutcher. What a bunch of nobodies we are left with. Is this a roast or the Republican primaries?"

Funny. But true. Romney's gonna walk away with it easy.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

He's still a dick puppet for big money and a Mormon piece of shit..

[danwismar]

Perry is a moron. He got eaten, chewed up, and spit out last night.

(I'd still vote for him over Obama)

eO was right above. I wrote Perry off too soon. A week too soon.

[e0y2e3]

Been awhile since I've seen someone light their campaign on fire that quick.

Kinda awesome really.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Yeah he's done.

It's Romney and everyone else. Only threat to him is if Huckabee gets involved, but that doesn't look likely......

[Orenthal]

Yeah he's done.

It's Romney and everyone else. Only threat to him is if Huckabee gets involved, but that doesn't look likely......

Gotta let those first few states come in...

This is the Republican party AND there is recent history...

ETA
On that other board (I think) and amongst the few that still talk to me IRL I was an early Cain honk. Once he made his stupid Muslim comment, the hateful part of me was okay with it, I kinda figured he was done and best hope was maybe VP.

This is hardly scientific, and several of the front runners didn't even participate, but Cain won the Florida Straw poll. There is a historical precedent with the FLA straw pole...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... ore-177549
Beat Perry pretty good...

[noles1]

Rubio will be the VP for any Republican candidate. You can absolutely book it under ANY scenario. The National Committee will not allow otherwise.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I honestly can't vote for anyone in 2012. The choices are really demoralizing, Obama has been a pussy and a sell out failure. He has no balls, as a Liberal I consider him a hideous fraud that back tracked on everything he said he would do. "Change"... what a bunch of horseshit. The Republicans are just beyond disgusting, a bunch of whores, they're utterly deplorable. I have no idea what anyone could possibly see in them, the most common answer seems to be "i'll vote for them because they aren't Obama"... it's retarded. Neither party wants to fix the country, they just want to perpetuate the argument on how to do it so they can get elected and re-elected.

It's an ugly scene, and it's only going to get worse.

[Erie Warrior]

Jesus Swerb, what's with the Starvin' Marvin ads running on the banner?

Figured this belonged here since republicans clearly hate poor minorities.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Jesus Swerb, what's with the Starvin' Marvin ads running on the banner?

Figured this belonged here since republicans clearly hate poor minorities.

There was one about going to rehab, which was clearly directed at me. That's bullshit.

Go fuck yourself, Swerb.

[Orenthal]

Sarah Palin calls Hermain Cain flavor of the week. Sarah would be Herpes flavor. Fun when you get it, but hated cuz it never quite goes away.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html

[e0y2e3]

Sara Palin banged Glen Rice.

^ will never get old.

Ever.

[Orenthal]

That we can agree on.

I have his rookie card, maybe that is one of the fun facts...

[Ziner]

Just wanted to point out how awesome this is.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _cain.html

Janeane Garofalo: "Herman Cain is probably well liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican party. Conservative movement and tea party movement, one in the same.

Conservatives are tricky bastards, supporting a black man to cover up the fact that you hate him. Nothing gets by these people.

FWIW when I read this I pictured JB shaking his head in agreement.

[e0y2e3]

It's inarguable that the bible bet is full of racists and that the teaparty is full of racists.

Now that statement is broad-sweeping and stupid, but there are small niblets of truth in it.

[noles1]

Personally, I absolutely detest the inference from the left about minority conservatives/republicans not understanding their own well-being or "people". It's lazy and utterly hypocritical to simply define any minority as needing to "fall in line with the cause/liberal rhetoric".

Hell, one could make a case that Garofalo's comments are in their own right racist because she's simply viewing Cain as only a minority and not on the substance of his campaign or views. (and this coming from someone who disagrees with a substantial portion of Cain's views) Ultimately, she is worse than those in which she tries to condemn with her stereotypical comments.

Now eye's point is separate and I acknowledge and, to an extent, agree with that view but it's cause/purpose/platform-driven rather than the over-simplication of one's skin tone, ethnicity or gender. (ie. the attack on welfare, planned parenthood, taxes, etc.)

[Orenthal]

We also have to remember that Garofalo is a cunt, and her opinion is as relevant as Ann Coulter's.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Herman Cain is the token black guy. How can people not see this?

[e0y2e3]

Similar to you being the token board toolbox.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

If Herman Cain was a white crappy pizza chain owner, would he get ANY publicity?

[e0y2e3]

Would you get any attention of people stopped laughing at you?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Says the biggest attention whore on the boards. Oh wait, it's the end of the month, time to bleed all over the forums.

At least they didn't trot the tired corpse of Alan Keyes out there.

[swerb]

Is Godfather's Pizza still around? Any in Cleveland? Trying to think if I've ever even had it before.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Is Godfather's Pizza still around? Any in Cleveland? Trying to think if I've ever even had it before.

I did a search in their store locator and it has zero in Cleveland.

I've eaten at the one in Marion, and the pizza is average at best, their garlic bread is literally Pepperidge Farm Texas Toast. The whole Mafia themed crap is annoying. They have a typical Italian gangster looking dude on their home page with his fedora and pinstripe suit on.

[e0y2e3]

Just know your role CDT... ;-)

[Orenthal]

He even went to a historically black college; though its not Harvard.

Worked at the Department of the Navy while getting his Masters at Purdue, and went to Coca-Cola after graduation. From there he worked his way up the corporate ladder at several different companies, eventually becoming CEO of Godfather's. His story is the American story. Overcoming corporate challenges, most of his positions were major turnarounds, and working his way up from a working class background. He is vastly more qualified to be Chief Executive then Obama.

He was also on the Kansas City Federal Reserve Board, advised the Dole/Kemp campaign, debated then President Clinton on his healthcare plan, and has run (and lost) twice for office. This guy is no doubt a longshot, but he is far from the token black. Keyes never even sniffed front runner status.

Fucking liberals like Janeane are pieces of shit, and more fucking racist then the people they are spewing venom about. But who really cares, even if one of these Republicans don't beat Obama (I think they will) 2012 is going to make 2010 look tame. Dems are done.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

My role is the asshole poster with a sense of humor.