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by bookelly » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:17 am
by tecs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:54 am
bookelly wrote:Paulie C has hammered the coffin nail (justifiably so) on the '11 Indians. But man...that was fun.Go Tribe!
by British_Pharaoh » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:01 am
by rigs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:38 am
by swerb » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:47 am
rigs wrote:I am optimistic about a really big off season. I think you will see several higher profile guys brought in. This means not only through trades, but via free agency as well. Yes, this means overbidding. The franchise has put itself in a position to contend right now with the Ubaldo deal. Adding a Derrek Lee isn't going to cut it. Payroll is dirt cheap, especially after passing on Sizemore's option. Right now, even though the season was more than we hoped- the Indians are "maybe" a .500 team. They have to make some huge moves to justify the risk they took. The good news is that I think they know that, and will step to the plate.
by Kingpin74 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:30 am
by WiscTribeFan » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:44 am
Kingpin74 wrote:If Prince is available for 5 years $100M, they really should pull the trigger. It would never happen but they could decline Grady's option, trade Fausto for minor leaguers, and the payroll wouldn't have to go up too much (not to mention Pronk's $13M coming off after next year). Plus they could always flip him down the line. Again, it's a total pipe dream but I'd much rather do that than bring in a mediocre combo platter with that same money (which is probably will happen).
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:47 am
by Jumbo » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:23 pm
by Jumbo » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:29 pm
by motherscratcher » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:46 pm
tecs wrote:bookelly wrote:Paulie C has hammered the coffin nail (justifiably so) on the '11 Indians. But man...that was fun.Go Tribe!It's probably the most disappointing end to a season since '94, that also happened to be the most encouraging season as well.The only thing stopping this team from being a contender next year is the fragility of some of it's key components and whether or not dolan is willing to increase the payroll next year.
by Am I Here Again? » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:57 pm
by rigs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:45 pm
by skatingtripods » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:02 pm
by jerryroche » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:24 pm
by rigs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:45 pm
by Prosecutor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:29 pm
by Bigfist » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:07 pm
by 1Perry » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:25 pm
The plan will be for Grady, Choo, Pronk and Brantley to stay mostly healthy next year with Kipnis and Chiz emerging as solid everyday players and another stellar year from the bullpen.
by Bigfist » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:49 pm
by rigs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:07 pm
by rigs » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:09 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:16 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:23 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:56 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The ride was fun, if you like a short burst of excitement followed by a long period of face palming horribleness.
by 1Perry » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:20 pm
Bigfist wrote:But if you get rid of Santana, who plays 1B? Mills? I think Laporta will be given one more shot, but his lack of improvement this year makes me think it is unlikely he will be more than what we have already seen.
by Prosecutor » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:32 am
by Bigfist » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:55 am
by WiscTribeFan » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:26 am
by Bigfist » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:04 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:34 pm
Bigfist wrote:Wisc Tribe Fan said it as well as can be said. But my concern is that the thinking WILL be for Grady, etc to rebound. I mean..no one really expects us to go out and get Pujols, Fielder, etc., do they? Heck, we need UBALDO to rebound. As I said in another post, if KC gets any pitching at all, they will leapfrog us next year.
by Bigfist » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:53 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:14 pm
Bigfist wrote:Well, I can't see Carmona or Grady let go, not without something ready to replace them.
by bac5665 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:38 pm
by jerryroche » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:09 pm
by bookelly » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:56 am
bac5665 wrote:I radical thought, and bear with me.Assuming that Fielder or Pujols would come here, which I grant is a stretch, the argument against signing them is that it would cripple us after say two years and prevent us from being able to anything.Ok. But if WiscTribeFan and others are correct and we have to have real FA talent next year to compete, it seems to be that we're damned if we don't sign Fielder or Pujols. So if we're screwed anyway, why not go all in, get one of them and at least win a World Series before becoming doomed for another decade anyway?Or are there FAs out there that can get it done without mortgaging the team? Cause if there aren't, then lets mortgage the team and at least go for it, instead of half-assing it for 2 years and then rebuilding again.
by Bigfist » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:57 am
by bookelly » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:46 am
Bigfist wrote:The 2 year window, through 2013, exists because that is when Jimenez, Choo, and ACab would all become free agents. Check our minor league system out..there is really no one that stands out, all the way down to Kinston. So, if those three perform like All Stars, there is little chance they will be here in 2014, and there are no ready replacements below. Hence the window of two years.
by WiscTribeFan » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:31 am
bookelly wrote:Bigfist wrote:The 2 year window, through 2013, exists because that is when Jimenez, Choo, and ACab would all become free agents. Check our minor league system out..there is really no one that stands out, all the way down to Kinston. So, if those three perform like All Stars, there is little chance they will be here in 2014, and there are no ready replacements below. Hence the window of two years.In my post I included new deals for all these guys and still be under the MLB average salary with a big ticket guy. They are not mutually exclusive. We actually kinda have a history of locking up arby guys to long term contracts dating back to Sandy Jr. in '91.
by Adverb Harry » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:59 pm
by bookelly » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:32 am
Adverb Harry wrote:Manny Acta was quoted today as saying in regards to first base: "I think that's something that we're going to have to address during the offseason."Good to hear they acknowledge 1st base is a major offensive void in the system, and it's pretty clear it's a priority to upgrade in some fashion.Where things get a little murkier is the next quote: "First and third base are positions where we should be looking into improving for next year, whether that's within or from the outside."Not quite sure what he's saying about third base there. Obviously, no one is getting a Silver Slugger, but Chiz has a lot of upside and Hannahan has (until getting hurt lately) not been shabby lately, either, and can, if nothing else, keep the position warm while Chiz continues to develop if he needs more seasoning. Between those guys, third base doesn't look like a big worry to me going into next year, at least not as much as the gaping holes at first and at least one outfield spot. If he's saying for Chiz and Hannahan to take it to the next level next year, that makes sense. But it's kind of a cryptic comment to me. We don't have that many trade chips left, and using what we do have to address a position that isn't a pressing need wouldn't help the bigger issues (first base and outfield).I agree, though...it will definitely be an interesting offseason. Gotta do something big. Band aid signings aint gonna cut it.
by Adverb Harry » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:48 am
by daddywags » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:28 am
by Bigfist » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:45 am
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