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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:03 pm

Good measuring stick tonight.

The stick says the Browns have a loooooong way to go.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby jta1975 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:04 pm

Pinkston has been poor today, the rookie needs a ton of work.

The Eagles secondary and LBs are absolutely gloving the Browns up.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:04 pm

First half grades:

Offense: F No rhythm, not enough runs, dumb throws, too many penalties...zero points
Defense: B+ Taylor very nice...Haden blanketing Jackson...short field...Hey Dick just a heads up...our LB's can't cover LeSean McCoy
Special: F Blocked FG...Fumbled punt.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:06 pm

To my untrained eye, looks to me like McCoy is throwing some passes late- too close to the sideline. I realize those are not 1st options...
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby municipalmutt » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:06 pm

Somewhere between this and the Green Bay game lies the truth.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:18 pm

municipalmutt wrote:Somewhere between this and the Green Bay game lies the truth.


Yep. Agreed. Thought the D was much better in terms of getting pressure.

2nd team D to start this half.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:30 pm

My name is Armon Smith and I can't hold on to the ball.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:32 pm

Rain and wet field make me fine with choice not to bring starters back for 2nd half.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:34 pm

Agreed...no need to risk injury
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby municipalmutt » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:40 pm

There's not bad weather in Cleveland right? :hide:
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:42 pm

We have zero depth. Getting uglier by the minute. ::doh::
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:58 pm

Seneca Wallace leaves the pocket far too quickly. Great job bouncing it off three defenders for the TD though. Veteran move. :hide:
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby jta1975 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:59 pm

Of course we will take the points but that was a pathetic throw up by Wallace.

It looked like he said hey this is meaningless anyway I'll just throw it and see what happens.

Bad habits are hard to break.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:05 pm

Thank goodness Reid didn't know the rules...he stepped out for sure.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:14 pm

Jarret Brown is meat-out-of-the-freezer raw but damn is that kid a monster. Does he stick?
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:18 pm

That run is what I'm talking about with Brown.

And Armon Smith didn't put it on the ground.

Sweet.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby municipalmutt » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:22 pm

peeker643 wrote:Jarret Brown is meat-out-of-the-freezer raw but damn is that kid a monster. Does he stick?


I might stick him on the practice squad and go get another QB with more command of the offense. Somebody like a Kitna that could knock Wallace to third string. I'm more concerned about our 2nd string QB at this point since I don't think Colt will play 16 games injury free this year. He still seems brittle to me.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:24 pm

Brown shows his potential this week after disastrous first 2
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:28 pm

municipalmutt wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Jarret Brown is meat-out-of-the-freezer raw but damn is that kid a monster. Does he stick?


I might stick him on the practice squad and go get another QB with more command of the offense. Somebody like a Kitna that could knock Wallace to third string. I'm more concerned about our 2nd string QB at this point since I don't think Colt will play 16 games injury free this year. He still seems brittle to me.


I agree. Not a fan of nothing behind Wallace without either WCO experience or a solid pedigree.

Also not sure if Brown is bright or Derek Anderson-dumb and I wonder what his ceiling actually is.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:29 pm

ShadowDawg wrote:Brown shows his potential this week after disastrous first 2


Looked like the game slowed down for him a bit for sure.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby ShadowDawg » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:31 pm

Only problem with practice squad is he would have to clear waivers first...he probably would, but it would be a bit of a gamble
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:30 am

Like what I saw from the D-line as far as pressure in the first half. Been awhile since we had guys consistently in the backfield.

Get used to calls like the "roughing" call on Jackson. Anything that looks questionable the refs are going to throw the rag and call it rather than have to hear from Goodell and his quest for total player safety. Jack Lambert called it nearly 30 years ago when he said QB's might as well start wearing skirts, we aren't that far off.

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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby mattvan1 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:44 pm

Couple things

Eagles have mucho pass pro issues - we should have been in their backfield. Still nice to see.

LOL at myself for thinking WCO=YAC. I forgot that first you need to actually get separation from the DB and then catch the ball, before you can run for "yards after"

Love our WCO against a Cover 2 zone. Unfortunately, I fear Colt will be seeing a lot of 8 in the box Cover 1 man looks this year. Let's hope Greg Little has a breakout rookie season.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:00 pm

mattvan1 wrote:Couple things

Eagles have mucho pass pro issues - we should have been in their backfield. Still nice to see.

LOL at myself for thinking WCO=YAC. I forgot that first you need to actually get separation from the DB and then catch the ball, before you can run for "yards after"

Love our WCO against a Cover 2 zone. Unfortunately, I fear Colt will be seeing a lot of 8 in the box Cover 1 man looks this year. Let's hope Greg Little has a breakout rookie season.


I think your last point bears watching. May be why you saw deep throws to Robo and Hillis and a couple others. But I also still would argue that playing your twin who is physically more talented and knows what you're going to do ceates issues in the WCO. The Eagles see those sets in similar down and distance every day and they execute better.

I'm not as down about the score as I am so much about the run defense and the fact we saw this offense is still in its infancy.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:50 pm

mattvan1 wrote:Couple things

Eagles have mucho pass pro issues - we should have been in their backfield. Still nice to see.

LOL at myself for thinking WCO=YAC. I forgot that first you need to actually get separation from the DB and then catch the ball, before you can run for "yards after"

Love our WCO against a Cover 2 zone. Unfortunately, I fear Colt will be seeing a lot of 8 in the box Cover 1 man looks this year. Let's hope Greg Little has a breakout rookie season.


Yeah, I'm not high on the WCO either. I thought Colt was at his best last year when he was able to go through his progressions. He forced a lot of balls last night and it's not just because the Eagles knew what was coming. It's because he's panicky locking on to his designated WR.

If we had WR capable of producing separation, it might be more successful, but I think Colt needs the time to survey the field.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby Prosecutor » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:37 am

Just watched the first half. It was better than I thought. The Iggles got one TD on a fluke punt recovery which isn't going to happen again in 100 years. Amazing that after Norwood got tripped the punt landed right on him. That cost the Browns 7 pts.

Then the botched roughing call on Jackson negated an interception and a return into Iggles territory, giving them a first down in Browns territory instead, leading to another undeserved TD.

The pass rush and coverage was good, the run defense sucked, especially the left side. Sheard was moved out of there way too easily, although he was going against a Pro Bowl left tackle.

A lot of young players are flashing ability; Taylor, Little, and Hardesty come immediately to mind. Last year's draft class looks to be extremely strong with four entrenched starters; Haden, Ward, McCoy, and Lauvao. If Hardesty can stay healthy he'll be a significant contributor. DQ is back in top form, and I never expected to see him in a Browns uniform again. Evan Moore is emerging as an offensive threat.

We don't have enough depth to contend this year but it looks like Heckert knows what he's doing when it comes to the draft based on what I've seen so far. That's a real break from the recent past.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:05 am

skatingtripods wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:Couple things

Eagles have mucho pass pro issues - we should have been in their backfield. Still nice to see.

LOL at myself for thinking WCO=YAC. I forgot that first you need to actually get separation from the DB and then catch the ball, before you can run for "yards after"

Love our WCO against a Cover 2 zone. Unfortunately, I fear Colt will be seeing a lot of 8 in the box Cover 1 man looks this year. Let's hope Greg Little has a breakout rookie season.


Yeah, I'm not high on the WCO either. I thought Colt was at his best last year when he was able to go through his progressions. He forced a lot of balls last night and it's not just because the Eagles knew what was coming. It's because he's panicky locking on to his designated WR.

If we had WR capable of producing separation, it might be more successful, but I think Colt needs the time to survey the field.


I like the WCO - we just don't have the weapons required to execute it properly.

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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby hiko » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:42 am

1. I assume that the Browns would have run the ball much more in a Regular Season game, which would have taken pressure off Colt. But since it's the Fake Season and there was very little offseason, they're using every opportunity to work on the passing game.

2. After watching the Lions-Pats game and watching what Detroit's D Line did to NE's O Line... I feel much better about the Browns' performance against the Lions front last week. Delayed props to Shaun Lauvao.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:15 am

hiko wrote:1. I assume that the Browns would have run the ball much more in a Regular Season game, which would have taken pressure off Colt. But since it's the Fake Season and there was very little offseason, they're using every opportunity to work on the passing game.


That is such an excellent point I am pissed I didn't think of it. Good observation.
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Re: Browns vs. Eagles 8/25/2011

Unread postby JCoz » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:42 am

hiko wrote:2. After watching the Lions-Pats game and watching what Detroit's D Line did to NE's O Line... I feel much better about the Browns' performance against the Lions front last week. Delayed props to Shaun Lauvao.


I was thinking the same. The NFC North is going to have a hell of a time with that Dline in the next several years. They dont even have Fairley yet.
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