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Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:50 pm

C'mon,Fausto.


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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:53 pm

Twins up on Det 1-0 on a Thome home run.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:06 pm

What the hell is up with Kipnis!?

Buehrle is not good news. Carmoma winning on the road against a team he's given up 18 ER against? If I were Pete Rose I would bet the farm on the ChiSox, but would be happy to lose it.

And than God I get the STO feed tonight! Fuck Hawk! He totally makes me want to stop watching. I wish he'd give it up. He's beyond being a simple Homer.

Again, I have not read the boards today or heard anything, but can Kipnis stay off the DL and get going soon?
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:08 pm

TribeinLA wrote:What the hell is up with Kipnis!?

Buehrle is not good news. Carmoma winning on the road against a team he's given up 18 ER against? If I were Pete Rose I would bet the farm on the ChiSox, but would be happy to lose it.

And than God I get the STO feed tonight! Fuck Hawk! He totally makes me want to stop watching. I wish he'd give it up. He's beyond being a simple Homer.

Again, I have not read the boards today or heard anything, but can Kipnis stay off the DL and get going soon?



Kipnis will be playing tomorrow (if tomorrow is thursday) but he can't play everyday just yet.

And on Thome he'll play until hes 55 and break the all time HR record
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:15 pm

I am not terribly fond of Carlos Santana.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:23 pm

Rally killa = Carlos Santana.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:24 pm

And just in case you didn't know...



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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:39 pm

Figure Carmona has to go at least 6, right? I shut it off last night after Pierre's HR.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:56 pm

WHY can't we get Alejandro De Aza out!!
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby andrew6586 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:12 pm

Wow great to see Wally Bell is on par with Laz Diaz. That was off the plate you fat fuck.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Cease » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:15 pm

TribeinLA wrote:And just in case you didn't know...



Flash Mob moved to 12:30.


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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:17 pm

Not counting the front running teams, Chicago has easily been the worst opponent for us all season. When we play them at Cell Phone Field, I just do not have good vibes. The '95 and '99 Indians were the only team that could go into that place and take it over. I hate this field.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:18 pm

Cmon Lou!
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:34 pm

TribeinLA wrote:Not counting the front running teams, Chicago has easily been the worst opponent for us all season. When we play them at Cell Phone Field, I just do not have good vibes. The '95 and '99 Indians were the only team that could go into that place and take it over. I hate this field.


Agreed. This place has rarely been too kind to the Tribe.

And it's a shithole, cookie cutter ballpark that's not old but pre-dated actual ballpark personailty and it was dropped into a desolate, shitty area surrounded by either nothing or likely death.

Other than that I'm okay with it.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:34 pm

Dumm Indianer Partitur nicht läuft! Sie sind pathetisch und haben keine Bälle. Fausto ist gut Pitching, aber die Straftat saugt wieder. Ich boo sie. Booooo! Win Baseball-Spiele oder nicht nach Cleveland zurück. Sie sind verboten. Go Live in Neuseeland mit den Kiwis. Ich hasse diese 1800 Tequlia Werbespots zu.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:37 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Dumm Indianer Partitur nicht läuft! Sie sind pathetisch und haben keine Bälle. Fausto ist gut Pitching, aber die Straftat saugt wieder. Ich boo sie. Booooo! Win Baseball-Spiele oder nicht nach Cleveland zurück. Sie sind verboten. Go Live in Neuseeland mit den Kiwis. Ich hasse diese 1800 Tequlia Werbespots zu.


Easily your most insightful post in this forum ever.

Much better than your normal, incomprehensible drivel.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby andrew6586 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:37 pm

Fuku Buerle! Nice hit.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:43 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Dumm Indianer Partitur nicht läuft! Sie sind pathetisch und haben keine Bälle. Fausto ist gut Pitching, aber die Straftat saugt wieder. Ich boo sie. Booooo! Win Baseball-Spiele oder nicht nach Cleveland zurück. Sie sind verboten. Go Live in Neuseeland mit den Kiwis. Ich hasse diese 1800 Tequlia Werbespots zu.


Easily your most insightful post in this forum ever.

Much better than your normal, incomprehensible drivel.



Was ist das für dieses "Geschwafel" Sie sprechen? Ich post nur qualitativ hochwertige Informationen und Wissen. Ich Mock Ihre ungebildet Idiotie. Du wirst nie sprechen die Sprache des deutschen Volkes. Diskussion Ihrer barbarischen Englisch, laigh ich OHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Tatsache ist, die Indianer gehen zu müssen, um mehr läuft punkten. Bestreiten Sie das?

Natürlich nicht! Es ist eine verdammte Tatsache!
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby andrew6586 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:52 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Dumm Indianer Partitur nicht läuft! Sie sind pathetisch und haben keine Bälle. Fausto ist gut Pitching, aber die Straftat saugt wieder. Ich boo sie. Booooo! Win Baseball-Spiele oder nicht nach Cleveland zurück. Sie sind verboten. Go Live in Neuseeland mit den Kiwis. Ich hasse diese 1800 Tequlia Werbespots zu.


Easily your most insightful post in this forum ever.

Much better than your normal, incomprehensible drivel.



Was ist das für dieses "Geschwafel" Sie sprechen? Ich post nur qualitativ hochwertige Informationen und Wissen. Ich Mock Ihre ungebildet Idiotie. Du wirst nie sprechen die Sprache des deutschen Volkes. Diskussion Ihrer barbarischen Englisch, laigh ich OHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Tatsache ist, die Indianer gehen zu müssen, um mehr läuft punkten. Bestreiten Sie das?

Natürlich nicht! Es ist eine verdammte Tatsache!

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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:55 pm

Nice :dingle:
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:55 pm

looked like the ball bounced and hit him in the face :thumb up:
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:00 pm

So as of right now Lou is the only tribe player without a hit.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:00 pm

Good fundamental baseball, that made me so happy I popped a semi.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby noles1 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:06 pm

Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:07 pm

noles1 wrote:Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.


He plays for Cleveland so he isn't winning the Gold Glove.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:11 pm

Great start from Carmona tonight.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby noles1 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:15 pm

Helluva job by Fausto there and just a terrific start overall.

See if we can't tack a couple more on and maybe save the pen with Hermman tonight.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:15 pm

FortheWin wrote:
noles1 wrote:Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.


He plays for Cleveland so he isn't winning the Gold Glove.


Or it might be because he hits .215 or .220 and can't get on the field for even 110 games due to it.

Rare to see spot starter/late inning defensive replacement win many season-ending awards.

He had 21 hits in April.

Coming into tonight he had 19.... in June, July and August combined. Should be hard to argue East Coast media bias given that.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:16 pm

Though I stumbled on the wrong thread, the foreign language thread.

Carmon a pitching pretty decent tonight
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby noles1 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:19 pm

peeker643 wrote:
FortheWin wrote:
noles1 wrote:Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.


He plays for Cleveland so he isn't winning the Gold Glove.


Or it might be because he hits .215 or .220 and can't get on the field for even 110 games due to it.

Rare to see spot starter/late inning defensive replacement win many season-ending awards.

He had 21 hits in April.

Coming into tonight he had 19.... in June, July and August combined. Should be hard to argue East Coast media bias given that.



Agreed, that said my comments and questions still stand. The GG went out the window once Lonnie made his way up and Jack fell into a platoon.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby fairvis » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:20 pm

Minny just put up 2 with a single by Morneau. 6-4, top of the 9th.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:20 pm

peeker643 wrote:
FortheWin wrote:
noles1 wrote:Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.


He plays for Cleveland so he isn't winning the Gold Glove.


Or it might be because he hits .215 or .220 and can't get on the field for even 110 games due to it.

Rare to see spot starter/late inning defensive replacement win many season-ending awards.

He had 21 hits in April.

Coming into tonight he had 19.... in June, July and August combined. Should be hard to argue East Coast media bias given that.



Didn't Omar win many gold gloves playing for the Tribe?
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:22 pm

noles1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
FortheWin wrote:
noles1 wrote:Can there be a better defensive 3B than Jack Hannahan this season?

Maybe I have homer blinders but I cannot imagine there is any better in baseball.


He plays for Cleveland so he isn't winning the Gold Glove.


Or it might be because he hits .215 or .220 and can't get on the field for even 110 games due to it.

Rare to see spot starter/late inning defensive replacement win many season-ending awards.

He had 21 hits in April.

Coming into tonight he had 19.... in June, July and August combined. Should be hard to argue East Coast media bias given that.



Agreed, that said my comments and questions still stand. The GG went out the window once Lonnie made his way up and Jack fell into a platoon.


I agree with you. He may well be the best defensive 3b in baseball. But I disagree with FortheWin in that Hannahan not winning a GG will have anything to do with anything other than Jack Hannahan.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:27 pm

Tigers losing :thumb up:
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Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:31 pm

Sooo does Carmona come out for the 9th?
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby fairvis » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:31 pm

Fausto... 8 IP, the one mistake, and only threw 102 pitches...
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Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:36 pm

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Tigers losing :thumb up:


Now they lost.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:38 pm

FortheWin wrote:
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Tigers losing :thumb up:


Now they lost.



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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:43 pm

Who IS this Fausto? And where has he been this year? This is far and away his best start of the season. I hope he gained enough confidence to carry this kind of performance through the rest of the season. Maybe he could give Ubaldo some hints on how to pitch. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:49 pm

andrew6586 wrote:Wow great to see Wally Bell is on par with Laz Diaz. That was off the plate you fat fuck.

Hirshbeck is calling tomorrow's game. If I remember right he's pretty decent. Important since tomorrow is pretty important....
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Unread postby RedDawg53 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:56 pm

You can put it on the boarrrrrrrrrrrd. YES! Ballgame. Tigers lose, too! :nanner:
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Unread postby FortheWin » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:56 pm

Ball game!
Superb start by Fausto tonight (best start of the season by him by far)
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Unread postby andrew6586 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:58 pm

Ballgame. What a performance by Fausto. He has looked like his 2007 form since te break.
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Unread postby 1Perry » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:03 pm

I hope the new guy on the mound tonight sticks around awhile.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:06 pm

Never though I ever ever ever ever ever ever ever say this. If I sounds crazy tell me. I like the full time catcher to be Ma-ma-ma-ma-mar. I like the full time catcher to be Mar-mar-mar. *cough* Marson. Lou Marson! Santana is fine over at 1st. LaPorta is fine over on the bench... being a cheerleader & the guy that gets left hanging when everyone else gets a high five, but still doesn't let it bother him. Keep it up Matt!

Lou, as your #1 TCF supporter here ;-) ;) :wink: , continue to call a better game than that lazy ass Santana :thumb up:
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:18 pm

RedDawg53 wrote:Never though I ever ever ever ever ever ever ever say this. If I sounds crazy tell me. I like the full time catcher to be Ma-ma-ma-ma-mar. I like the full time catcher to be Mar-mar-mar. *cough* Marson. Lou Marson! Santana is fine over at 1st. LaPorta is fine over on the bench... being a cheerleader & the guy that gets left hanging when everyone else gets a high five, but still doesn't let it bother him. Keep it up Matt!

Lou, as your #1 TCF supporter here ;-) ;) :wink: , continue to call a better game than that lazy ass Santana :thumb up:


You hear his postgame interview?

Excellent. Talking about him deciding to replace Fausto's 'spinning slider' with the changeup because of the downward action and in occasionally calling for the slider early in the count to show it and keep it in the hitters' heads?

About consciously forcing Fausto to work in a faster rhythm so as not to dwell on every pitch as much?

That's the difference between he and Santana in the game management part of the game. Add to that his ability to throw and move behind the dish for balls n the dirt, subtract his hitting and he's still by far and away the best man to catch this staff.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:18 pm

To each and every one of you, I say as game thread starter: you are welcome.

I know I must only use these powers for good.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby scrambler » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:19 pm

Am I Here Again? wrote:Who IS this Fausto? And where has he been this year? This is far and away his best start of the season. I hope he gained enough confidence to carry this kind of performance through the rest of the season. Maybe he could give Ubaldo some hints on how to pitch. ;-) ;) :wink:


I explained all this in the last game thread, I know you saw it. His last game was clear proof he was completely back against Detroit. He went toe to toe with the best pitcher in baseball and put 5 straight zeroes on the board after some pretty weak runs against him and bad defense. He's gone 8 straight games giving up 4 runs or less. The team is 5-2 in his last 7 starts. I said at the time of the Ubaldo trade that you could look at some peripheral stats and state he wasn't as good as even Carmona this year. Ubaldo was a shiny toy though and still is. Carmona's the better pitcher this year though (it's only my opinion, just my opinion me stating that, just an opinion, just an opinion, I have some evidence to back it up, but just an opinion, you can feel Jimenez is better this year too). Since June 20th, he's been a really good pitcher. His ERA has dropped EVERY SINGLE GAME since the Colorado misadventure on June 20th.
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby scrambler » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:26 pm

FortheWin wrote:Ball game!
Superb start by Fausto tonight (best start of the season by him by far)


I'm just stating opinion here...just an opinion. But I think he's had a couple others this good. I remember 7 shutout matched up with the superb John Lester against Boston we won 1-0. another in Oakland he was dynamite too. IN trying to develop iron clad arguments and theses, I actually study game logs of every player that exists...especially pitchers!!
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Re: Indians at White Sox 8/17/11

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:26 am

peeker643 wrote:You hear his postgame interview?

Excellent. Talking about him deciding to replace Fausto's 'spinning slider' with the changeup because of the downward action and in occasionally calling for the slider early in the count to show it and keep it in the hitters' heads?

About consciously forcing Fausto to work in a faster rhythm so as not to dwell on every pitch as much?

That's the difference between he and Santana in the game management part of the game. Add to that his ability to throw and move behind the dish for balls n the dirt, subtract his hitting and he's still by far and away the best man to catch this staff.


Fausto needs to not think and just throw. My knowledge of the game is average at best about what type of pitch it is. I do know tonight he was the Fausto of old.  He needs to stick to it and NOT THINK. Let the catcher call it. And as for Marson;

I saw the last 1/2 or final 1/3 of the Marson interview. I was listening to the radio still. From what I did hear and what you wrote, I'm very impressed with Lou's ability to call a game. Another part of the game that is vital that 99% of fans overlook (as well as Santana, from the looks of it) Not sure where to find the stats on a catchers W-L record. 

Perhaps with Marson playing more, he might begin hitting better with some power? Like you said, he's still by far and away the best man to catch & to throw guys out.

 LaPorta will go far and away after this season, maybe hang with Garko in Korea.
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