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Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby andrew6586 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:23 pm

We all know what this team needs to go after this offseason: hitting. We need a power right-handed bat and maybe another one from that side of the plate. I just wanted to start a thread so people can post possible FAs to go after and their wish lists. It's obvious that Antonetti sees the window for victory is the next two years and is making moves to make it happen. What would you all like to see him do?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:16 am

Catchers
Rod Barajas (36)
Henry Blanco (40)
Ramon Castro (36)
Ryan Doumit (31) - $7.25MM club option for 2012, $8.25MM club option for '13 with a $500K buyout
Ramon Hernandez (36)
Jason Kendall (38)
Gerald Laird (32)
Jose Molina (36)
Yadier Molina (29) - $7MM club option with a $750K buyout
Dioner Navarro (28)
Ivan Rodriguez (40)
Brian Schneider (35)
Kelly Shoppach (29) - $3.2MM club option with a $300K buyout
Chris Snyder (31) - $6.75MM club option with a $750K buyout
Matt Treanor (36)
Jason Varitek (40)

First basemen
Lance Berkman (36)
Russell Branyan (36)
Jorge Cantu (30)
Michael Cuddyer (33)
Prince Fielder (28)
Ross Gload (36)
Brad Hawpe (33)
Eric Hinske (34) - $1.5MM club option with a $100K buyout
Nick Johnson (33)
Casey Kotchman (29)
Mark Kotsay (36)
Derrek Lee (36)
Xavier Nady (33)
Lyle Overbay (35)
Carlos Pena (34)
Wily Mo Pena (30)
Albert Pujols (32)

Second basemen
Clint Barmes (33)
Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
Orlando Cabrera (37)
Robinson Cano (29) - $14MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Jamey Carroll (37)
Alex Cora (36)
Craig Counsell (41)
Mark Ellis (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
Aaron Hill (30) - $8MM club option for 2012 and $8MM club option for '13
Omar Infante (30)
Joe Inglett (34)
Kelly Johnson (30)
Adam Kennedy (36)
Felipe Lopez (32)
Jose Lopez (28)
Julio Lugo (36)
Aaron Miles (35)
Augie Ojeda (37)
Brandon Phillips (31) - $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Shortstops
Clint Barmes (33)
Yuniesky Betancourt (30) - $6MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Orlando Cabrera (37)
Jamey Carroll (37)
Ronny Cedeno (29) - $3MM club option with a $200K buyout
Craig Counsell (41)
Rafael Furcal (34) - $12MM club option with a $1.3MM buyout
Alex Gonzalez (34)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
Omar Infante (30)
Cesar Izturis (32)
Julio Lugo (36)
John McDonald (37)
Augie Ojeda (37)
Nick Punto (34)
Edgar Renteria (35)
Jose Reyes (29)
Jimmy Rollins (33)
Ramon Santiago (32)
Marco Scutaro (36) - $6MM club option/$3MM player option with a $1.5MM buyout
Miguel Tejada (38)
Jack Wilson (34)

Third basemen
Wilson Betemit (30)
Casey Blake (38) - $6MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Jorge Cantu (30)
Eric Chavez (34)
Craig Counsell (41)
Mark DeRosa (37)
Greg Dobbs (33)
Edwin Encarnacion (29) - $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
Wes Helms (36)
Omar Infante (30)
Felipe Lopez (32)
Jose Lopez (28)
Nick Punto (34)
Aramis Ramirez (34)
Miguel Tejada (38)
Omar Vizquel (45)

Left fielders
Pat Burrell (35)
Johnny Damon (37)
Mark DeRosa (37)
Jonny Gomes (31)
Carlos Guillen (36)
Scott Hairston (32)
Willie Harris (34)
Jeremy Hermida (28)
Eric Hinske (34) - $1.5MM club option with a $100K buyout
Raul Ibanez (40)
Joe Inglett (34)
Conor Jackson (30)
Reed Johnson (35)
Austin Kearns (32)
Ryan Ludwick (33)
Jason Michaels (36)
Laynce Nix (31)
Juan Pierre (34)
Scott Podsednik (36)
Juan Rivera (33)
Matt Stairs (44)
Marcus Thames (35)
Josh Willingham (33)

Center fielders
Rick Ankiel (32)
Carlos Beltran (35)
Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
Mike Cameron (39)
Coco Crisp (32)
David DeJesus (32)
Scott Hairston (32)
Andruw Jones (35)
Nate McLouth (30) - $10.65MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Corey Patterson (32)
Cody Ross (31)
Grady Sizemore (29) - $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (38) - $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout; vests with 433 PAs in 2011
Lance Berkman (36)
Willie Bloomquist (34) - $1.1MM mutual option with a $150K buyout
Milton Bradley (34)
Michael Cuddyer (33)
David DeJesus (32)
J.D. Drew (36)
Jeff Francoeur (28) - $3MM mutual option
Kosuke Fukudome (35)
Willie Harris (34)
Brad Hawpe (33)
Jeremy Hermida (28)
Joe Inglett (34)
Austin Kearns (32)
Jason Kubel (29)
Ryan Ludwick (33)
Xavier Nady (33)
Magglio Ordonez (38)
Cody Ross (31)
Nick Swisher (31) - $10.25MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Josh Willingham (33)

Designated hitters
Milton Bradley (34)
Johnny Damon (37)
Jason Giambi (41)
Vladimir Guerrero (37)
Carlos Guillen (36)
David Ortiz (36)
Jason Kubel (29)
Hideki Matsui (38)
Jorge Posada (40)
Jim Thome (41)


Well here is the list of hitters.

There are really only 2 realistic options in terms of power (right or left) and only two that would fit within a positionally weak area(1B) of the team (as of right now....LapPorta Im talking to you....GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS).

1. Lance Berkman
2. Micheal Cuddyer

So to me it doesn't look very promising. I dont see Cuddyer leaving them Twins for us and I see Berkman having way too many suitors given he would probably be signing a 1 year deal due to age. Too many teams would want to take a chance on him.

Trade might be the only way to immediately improve the offense or get some right handed power.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:43 am

Grady Sizemore (29) - $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

What are the odds we pick up that option? 50%? 75%?

That list is somewhat unimpressive when you get past the marquee guys. One player that I think the Tribe should kick the tires on would be Derrek Lee, depending on price, although his numbers have really declined the past two years as he's aged. He brings some power, a veteran guy who was well liked in the Cubs clubhouse for a number of years, and a solid defensive 1B.

That said, I wouldn't be sad if we didn't even look at him either.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby andrew6586 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:00 am

WiscTribeFan wrote:Grady Sizemore (29) - $8.5MM club option with a $500K buyout

What are the odds we pick up that option? 50%? 75%?

That list is somewhat unimpressive when you get past the marquee guys. One player that I think the Tribe should kick the tires on would be Derrek Lee, depending on price, although his numbers have really declined the past two years as he's aged. He brings some power, a veteran guy who was well liked in the Cubs clubhouse for a number of years, and a solid defensive 1B.

That said, I wouldn't be sad if we didn't even look at him either.

I think they will pick him up banking on his health. Just my personal opinion. Derek lee wouldn't be a bad option by then I think we need a RH hitter for average as well.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:03 am

Cody Ross is pretty interesting. Career .284/.923 v. LHP. Not a liability in the OF. Probably a platoon player, but if we could get 25 HR and 85 RBI out of a Sizemore/Ross platoon in LF, with Grady being able to hopefully stay healthy playing less frequently, I like the idea. Also gives us a RH PH bat.

Looking at that list of shit in free agency, and knowing our closest MLB everyday OF is down in the low minors, Grady's option is sure to get picked up. Either that or some alteration of his contract to keep him here.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby pup » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:04 am

War Platoons.

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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:06 am

pup wrote:War Platoons.

:hic:


I agree. The Wins Above Replacement for that platoon could be quite nice.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby andrew6586 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:48 am

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:
Well here is the list of hitters.

There are really only 2 realistic options in terms of power (right or left) and only two that would fit within a positionally weak area(1B) of the team (as of right now....LapPorta Im talking to you....GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS).

1. Lance Berkman
2. Micheal Cuddyer

So to me it doesn't look very promising. I dont see Cuddyer leaving them Twins for us and I see Berkman having way too many suitors given he would probably be signing a 1 year deal due to age. Too many teams would want to take a chance on him.

Trade might be the only way to immediately improve the offense or get some right handed power.

I agree that Berkman would be a nice addition. However with the season he is having, I don't see St. Louis letting him go, especially if they lose Pujols. I wouldn't mind Ludwig if we could get him cheap but I wouldn't give him a long-term contract. To even mention Fielder or Pujols on this team would be ridiculous.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:18 pm

I like Cuddyer. Middle of the order run producing machine. Francoer might also be worth a look assuming he doesn't return to KC.

Too bad we can't make a run at a guy like Fielder, he'd probably hit about 700 HRs in AL. Only a handful of teams can afford him, and we're not one of them because MLB SUCKS.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby scott » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:21 pm

I think the Indians will explore a trade before adding anything except a low cost FA.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby statmasta » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:53 pm

I wouldn't mind the Indians signing Rick Ankiel as a 4th outfielder. He's got tremendous power, he's a hell of an athlete, and has a rocket arm. Sure he's another left-handed bat, but I'd love to have him to replace Fukudome after this year. Not a consistent hitter, very streaky, but that's why he'd only be the 4th OF. When he plays he'd make us a faster, more athletic, and better team defensively. He also should be really cheap.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:15 pm

andrew6586 wrote: To even mention Fielder or Pujols on this team would be ridiculous.


Your probably right , but....
The Dolans always say when the time is right they will spend. The Tribes window is going to be short (12-13?) and god knows when we will see another one. Also Dolan is not getting any younger, and it feels like after the Jimenez trade we are pot committed. Why not go all in and shoot for one of those two?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby andrew6586 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:28 pm

Govbarney wrote:
andrew6586 wrote: To even mention Fielder or Pujols on this team would be ridiculous.


Your probably right , but....
The Dolans always say when the time is right they will spend. The Tribes window is going to be short (12-13?) and god knows when we will see another one. Also Dolan is not getting any younger, and it feels like after the Jimenez trade we are pot committed. Why not go all in and shoot for one of those two?

I totally agree. However I think that the highest they would be willing to go is $10-15M a year. That is less than half of what Pujols will want and about $5M less than Fielder will want at a minimum. I think we need to make a trade if we are going to acquire an All-Star right handed batter.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby pup » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:36 pm

Govbarney wrote:
andrew6586 wrote: To even mention Fielder or Pujols on this team would be ridiculous.


Your probably right , but....
The Dolans always say when the time is right they will spend. The Tribes window is going to be short (12-13?) and god knows when we will see another one. Also Dolan is not getting any younger, and it feels like after the Jimenez trade we are pot committed. Why not go all in and shoot for one of those two?


If ether would sign that 2 year deal to fit inside of the window, I am sure we would consider them. Even at the ~$15M range.

Since both will be seeking 7 years...not so much.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:38 pm

Govbarney wrote:Your probably right , but....
The Dolans always say when the time is right they will spend. The Tribes window is going to be short (12-13?) and god knows when we will see another one. Also Dolan is not getting any younger, and it feels like after the Jimenez trade we are pot committed. Why not go all in and shoot for one of those two?


1. Neither guy would ever sign here.
2. Franchise crippling long-term contract. At least 30% of entire team budget every year.

Those two will go where they have a chance to win every year and/or whoever shows them the most money. We accommodate neither of those desires. Further, we're too small of a market for advertising visibility (basically another salary for player), non-resident merch sales, national TV audience, etc.

Never, ever happen.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:40 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
Govbarney wrote:Your probably right , but....
The Dolans always say when the time is right they will spend. The Tribes window is going to be short (12-13?) and god knows when we will see another one. Also Dolan is not getting any younger, and it feels like after the Jimenez trade we are pot committed. Why not go all in and shoot for one of those two?


1. Neither guy would ever sign here.
2. Franchise crippling long-term contract. At least 30% of entire team budget every year.

Those two will go where they have a chance to win every year and/or whoever shows them the most money. We accommodate neither of those desires. Further, we're too small of a market for advertising visibility (basically another salary for player), non-resident merch sales, national TV audience, etc.

Never, ever happen.


So you're saying there's a chance?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:45 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So you're saying there's a chance?


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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:23 pm

andrew6586 wrote:I think we need to make a trade if we are going to acquire an All-Star right handed batter.


And we've pretty much dealt the two guys that could land us such a bat.

I see the ability to acquire a true impact bat like that as remote. I do see them potentially dealing a bullpen arm or two and potentially Phelps to try to shore up the OF/1B situation, but it won't be a game-changing type of a player.

I see them re-upping Sizemore and Carmona. Fausto is showing enough lately to entice us to believe he'll be a productive member of the rotation next year. I hope he is, we'd have a very strong staff with him being even an average SP.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:58 pm

statmasta wrote:I wouldn't mind the Indians signing Rick Ankiel as a 4th outfielder. He's got tremendous power, he's a hell of an athlete, and has a rocket arm. Sure he's another left-handed bat, but I'd love to have him to replace Fukudome after this year. Not a consistent hitter, very streaky, but that's why he'd only be the 4th OF. When he plays he'd make us a faster, more athletic, and better team defensively. He also should be really cheap.


Why in the world sign a 4th outfielder when your team is already composed of 4th outfielders?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:28 pm

andrew6586 wrote:
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:
Well here is the list of hitters.

There are really only 2 realistic options in terms of power (right or left) and only two that would fit within a positionally weak area(1B) of the team (as of right now....LapPorta Im talking to you....GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS).

1. Lance Berkman
2. Micheal Cuddyer

So to me it doesn't look very promising. I dont see Cuddyer leaving them Twins for us and I see Berkman having way too many suitors given he would probably be signing a 1 year deal due to age. Too many teams would want to take a chance on him.

Trade might be the only way to immediately improve the offense or get some right handed power.

I agree that Berkman would be a nice addition. However with the season he is having, I don't see St. Louis letting him go, especially if they lose Pujols. I wouldn't mind Ludwig if we could get him cheap but I wouldn't give him a long-term contract. To even mention Fielder or Pujols on this team would be ridiculous.


I just think Berkman might opt to DH, that was part of my rational but yeah I think St Louis is the best bet for him too. he was really the only other Starting non-platoon option I saw.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby statmasta » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:54 pm

leadpipe wrote:
statmasta wrote:I wouldn't mind the Indians signing Rick Ankiel as a 4th outfielder. He's got tremendous power, he's a hell of an athlete, and has a rocket arm. Sure he's another left-handed bat, but I'd love to have him to replace Fukudome after this year. Not a consistent hitter, very streaky, but that's why he'd only be the 4th OF. When he plays he'd make us a faster, more athletic, and better team defensively. He also should be really cheap.


Why in the world sign a 4th outfielder when your team is already composed of 4th outfielders?

I'm assuming Grady and Fukudome will be gone next year. I also doubt Carrera sticks as a major league player. Not sure who we'll have starting in left field in that situation, though. So that's still yet another hole to fill...

just saying I'd much rather have Ankiel as a 4th OF over Carrera, Buck, Kearns, Fukudome, Trevor Crowe. It's not a priority, of course, just throwing it out there...
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:59 pm

I think Cuddyer would be perfect, but I also think it will take an offer of two to three million per season more thanwhat Minnesota will offer to pry him away.

I see him being a $7-8m guy for the Twins. That would mean a two-year $18-20m deal for the Tribe to get him.

The Indians aren't going to spend that kind of cash for a 34-year old. Just have to hope Minnesota feels he's too old and lets him walk. Then maybe they could get him for two years and $13-14m.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:03 am

I read somewhere Pujols is looking for ten years.....yea not gonna happen. Berkman however is VERY interesting. And as somebody said it couldnt hurt to take a look at Lee, hes not the hitter he used to be. But hes still a hell of a lot better than LaPorta. I wish Swisher didnt have a team option 2012, as I think he would be the PERFECT guy for this team. Maybe we can kick the tire and see what NY wants...


Hell I would give Willy Mo a minor league deal, and give the job to whomever performs better in the spring between him and LaPorta. He would be cheap, and hes still got huge potential in that bat.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Toxicadam » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:07 pm

I hope they take a flier on Jorge Cantu for a minor league contract (assuming that will be his price in 2012)
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:10 pm

To those advocating this, why would Lance Berkman want to come here to play?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:58 pm

skatingtripods wrote:To those advocating this, why would Lance Berkman want to come here to play?


Because he could hang out with Sloth. They could have a morning drive radio show "Sloth and the Berk".
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby pup » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:52 pm

skatingtripods wrote:To those advocating this, why would Lance Berkman want to come here to play?


What? You don't remember? Mark Shapiro emphatically told everyone that would listen. Good players will want to come here because we play the game the right way. We play the game with high level character guys working their tails off. It would make up for a couple million in the bank.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:03 pm

pup wrote:What? You don't remember? Mark Shapiro emphatically told everyone that would listen. Good players will want to come here because we play the game the right way. We play the game with high level character guys working their tails off. It would make up for a couple million in the bank.


Must have missed that part or something.

Maybe we can promise him a statue next to Feller's.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:25 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:What? You don't remember? Mark Shapiro emphatically told everyone that would listen. Good players will want to come here because we play the game the right way. We play the game with high level character guys working their tails off. It would make up for a couple million in the bank.


Must have missed that part or something.

Maybe we can promise him a statue next to Feller's.


Feller bought that plaza and Berkman will have to lease space from Rapid Robert's estate. Bob in death wanted to continue his lifelong hobby of collecting whenever he could.

Ok. None of that's true as far as I know. But it wouldn't shock me.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:39 pm

Bob Feller's bronze statue is the best since Colossus of Rhodes...... and the Colossus couldn't throw a fastball for shit.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby statmasta » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:43 pm

Berkman's making $8 million now coming off a very poor season and a bunch of injuries. Just imagine what he'll get for next year now that he's putting up one of the best seasons in baseball. I don't think he's an option for the Indians. I don't see the Indians spending what I think he'll probably get per year.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:11 pm

You know you have a great system when 70% of the teams in the game are automatically out of the running for signing a big name FA.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:16 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You know you have a great system when 70% of the teams in the game are automatically out of the running for signing a big name FA.


As much as I hate MLB want to blame them for everything, I think that this is a problem for every major sport. Even the NFL can't get FAs to come to Cleveland. Personally, I really think that Free agency itself is a terrible idea, but then the players start talking about slavery etc., and that doesn't help anyone.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:18 pm

I forsee a platooning of some sort. And Andruw Jones better not be a part of it. He's still 35!? I guess I forget he was hardly shaving when he broke in at the end of the Braves NL dynasty. I could see us going for hi, though, especially if we do not pick up Grady's option.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:18 pm

bac5665 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You know you have a great system when 70% of the teams in the game are automatically out of the running for signing a big name FA.


As much as I hate MLB want to blame them for everything, I think that this is a problem for every major sport. Even the NFL can't get FAs to come to Cleveland. Personally, I really think that Free agency itself is a terrible idea, but then the players start talking about slavery etc., and that doesn't help anyone.


I get what you're saying, but if the Browns were competitive they would have an easier time bringing in high level free agents. Even if the Tribe are in the playoffs year in year out they still can't afford guys like Pujols and Fielder. They ain't coming unless they sign for a lot less.
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Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:27 pm

CDT, I basically agree with you, I just think that the payroll imbalance is a mostly separate problem from the free agent problem. After all, look at the Cavs. How'd free agency work out there, where the money imbalance was certainly not the issue?
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby scrambler » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
bac5665 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You know you have a great system when 70% of the teams in the game are automatically out of the running for signing a big name FA.


As much as I hate MLB want to blame them for everything, I think that this is a problem for every major sport. Even the NFL can't get FAs to come to Cleveland. Personally, I really think that Free agency itself is a terrible idea, but then the players start talking about slavery etc., and that doesn't help anyone.


I get what you're saying, but if the Browns were competitive they would have an easier time bringing in high level free agents. Even if the Tribe are in the playoffs year in year out they still can't afford guys like Pujols and Fielder. They ain't coming unless they sign for a lot less.


Traivs Hafner is the only type of free agent we'll ever get. A guy from north dakota who has played here already.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:43 pm

bac5665 wrote:CDT, I basically agree with you, I just think that the payroll imbalance is a mostly separate problem from the free agent problem. After all, look at the Cavs. How'd free agency work out there, where the money imbalance was certainly not the issue?


Apples and cannonballs.

LeBron was a Cav. Re-singing a guy who played 7 years with a team is different that bringing in a new free agent.
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Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:49 pm

Sure, but I was referring to how a zombie-Shaq was our biggest FA despite a clear willingness to spend like crazy.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:39 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
bac5665 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You know you have a great system when 70% of the teams in the game are automatically out of the running for signing a big name FA.


As much as I hate MLB want to blame them for everything, I think that this is a problem for every major sport. Even the NFL can't get FAs to come to Cleveland. Personally, I really think that Free agency itself is a terrible idea, but then the players start talking about slavery etc., and that doesn't help anyone.


I get what you're saying, but if the Browns were competitive they would have an easier time bringing in high level free agents. Even if the Tribe are in the playoffs year in year out they still can't afford guys like Pujols and Fielder. They ain't coming unless they sign for a lot less.


I don't think it's about the money. Like it was alluded to upthread (I think it was Pup and Tripods), it's about the years. If Antonetti, Shap, and Dolan think this is our 2 year window (and the Jiminez trade indicates that they do) I believe they would spend $40-$50 mil on a 2 year deal for Prince. Maybe even Berkman. The problem is that Prince is going to be looking for that 7 year / $150 mil deal.

No way the Indians would (nor should) pay that.

It's the years.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby bac5665 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:59 am

motherscratcher wrote:I don't think it's about the money. Like it was alluded to upthread (I think it was Pup and Tripods), it's about the years. If Antonetti, Shap, and Dolan think this is our 2 year window (and the Jiminez trade indicates that they do) I believe they would spend $40-$50 mil on a 2 year deal for Prince. Maybe even Berkman. The problem is that Prince is going to be looking for that 7 year / $150 mil deal.

No way the Indians would (nor should) pay that.

It's the years.


This is the part that is the MLB's fault. There are 6-8 teams that can afford the years and none of the rest can. I don't know how to fix it, but the MLB has to. They have to find a way for all the teams to be playing by the same rules, not this shitty system now where those top teams can just try and patch every year and the rest have "cycles" of tearing down and rebuilding.
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:18 am

bac5665 wrote:This is the part that is the MLB's fault. There are 6-8 teams that can afford the years and none of the rest can. I don't know how to fix it, but the MLB has to. They have to find a way for all the teams to be playing by the same rules, not this shitty system now where those top teams can just try and patch every year and the rest have "cycles" of tearing down and rebuilding.

^That^ But as long as the Players' Assoc. makes sure it's part of the bargaining agreement there is no way anything will result in a cap on years. The Players' Assoc wants that job security for their guys. And you know the agents think it's a sweet deal - as long as their guys are getting paid they (agent) get their cuts.
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Unread postby bac5665 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:47 am

Sure. But it will kill the league if they don't fix it.

MLB is painting itself into a hole by letting ESPN hype the big 3 teams. The other teams will lose fans eventually, lose ticket sales, lose revenues and maybe lose the teams themselves. I don't know how much longer the Orioles and Blue Jays can possibly be content to lose forever suckling at the Yankee's teat. It certainly isn't a healthy long term modal.

The NFL is king because every team can win, as long as their front office is smart, and rebuilds don't need to take more than 1 or 2 seasons if things go well. Fans aren't alienated by franchise players leaving. Even Lions fans have real hope.

MLB needs to look into that model and make some changes. Because in this modern media age, there won't be another generation of Orioles fans. There absolutely will not unless major changes happen.
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Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:05 am

Not just MLBs doing. In case you didn't know, that major cable sports network's acronym stand for Everything Sox Plus Newyork. The only time we ever hear about another baseball team (or football or baskeball or hockkey etc) even exists is if they play the Red Sux. When we lived in greater Cleveland we would see clips from the other teams during the sports segment. Up here you don't count unless you're playing The One Team That Matters (or their biggest rival). (Must add here I refer only to the local networks. Have no idea what cable/dish covers since we don't have either. Go ahead and *gasp*. ;-) ;) :wink: )
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Re: Possible Free Agents This Offseason

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:31 am

Am I Here Again? wrote:Not just MLBs doing. In case you didn't know, that major cable sports network's acronym stand for Everything Sox Plus Newyork. The only time we ever hear about another baseball team (or football or baskeball or hockkey etc) even exists is if they play the Red Sux. When we lived in greater Cleveland we would see clips from the other teams during the sports segment. Up here you don't count unless you're playing The One Team That Matters (or their biggest rival). (Must add here I refer only to the local networks. Have no idea what cable/dish covers since we don't have either. Go ahead and *gasp*. ;-) ;) :wink: )


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