Youngest Team Ever?

[SoulDawg74]

Extrapolate all you fuckin' want SoulDawg. Doesn't change what happened or the reality of the current roster.

SD:

The current roster was manipulated to this state by two years of Heckert .

It was a shambles when he inherited the chaos of Mangy , chock full of overpaid over age Jets and rookies he drafted as starters who couldn't make a good teams practice squad, close to the cap because of all the old veteran contracts beret of talent due to his poor draft and free agent acquisitions .


SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

THE ROSTER WAS IN SHAMBLES GUYS!!!!

OF COURSE SD SAYS THIS WITHOUT ADDRESSING WHAT MANGINI DID W/ SHORT TERM CONTRACTS AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!

IT'S ALL ABOUT SHAUN ROGERS, SANCHEZ AND JOSH FREEMAN DAMNIT!!!!!!

BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE CERTAINLY CALLED MANGINI A GREAT GM!#%$!%!

<--- CALLED MANGINI A GREAT GM AT LEAST 100 TIMES IN THIS THREAD!#~%!!!!

[DrPoove]

[SoulDawg74]

THE ROSTER WAS IN SHAMBLES GUYS!!!!

OF COURSE SD SAYS THIS WITHOUT ADDRESSING WHAT MANGINI DID W/ SHORT TERM CONTRACTS AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!

IT'S ALL ABOUT SHAUN ROGERS, SANCHEZ AND JOSH FREEMAN DAMNIT!!!!!!

BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE CERTAINLY CALLED MANGINI A GREAT GM!#%$!%!

<--- CALLED MANGINI A GREAT GM AT LEAST 100 TIMES IN THIS THREAD!#~%!!!!

SD:

you really are quite emotional aren't ya .

As such you execute your mouth like a cunt instead of utilizing your other senses like hearing and logic.

Heckert inherited one of the oldest rosters in the NFL after the mangy purge what supposedly saved us from cap hell as he executed his so called fiscal responsibility .

However the fiscal responsibility drum you've been beating more than your gums have been flappin in your ever worsening responses , don't add up .

The fiscal responsibility is a myth , because wait for it now , he exchanged a fw high priced contracts dumpig guys who wouldn't kiss his rig for a shit load of overpriced contracts .

Like a magician with children you actually thought he conjured up a rabbitt and your so proud to tell me you know the real deal .

So your claims are not Newtons new law, just the exposure of your shallow depth and understanding of the true picture , the one that define the true reality of the figures you've misconstrued to fit your own crack pot theorem.

In short Garcon , you just done been Bullshitted again.


SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

^ too stupid to understand the concept of "CONTRACT LENGTH" and needing to plug vets in for the first few years while aquiring young talent.

Crack, it does a mind good.

[peeker643]

This thread:

[e0y2e3]

BTW: I think we can all agree that instead of just stupid you are stupid, lazy and a liar.

[Triple-S]

This needs to be put into the library. now.

[e0y2e3]

Honest question Peeks, when is the last time SD jumped into a thread on this board and didn't turn it into this?

Not calling for him to get banned or anything like that, but he is nothing if not consistent.

[motherscratcher]

^^^Peek just made me pee my pants a little bit.

[SoulDawg74]

Honest question Peeks, when is the last time SD jumped into a thread on this board and didn't turn it into this?

Not calling for him to get banned or anything like that, but he is nothing if not consistent.

SD:

All that internet tough guy persona wasted to find out your nothing butt a bitch ass Snitch .

Oh Mr, moderator SD is so terrible and just won't bow down to my driveling bullshit , we should just ban him and make the world better for us good posters ...

Jeeeze is that rich .






SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

Naw, I don't want you banned.

The world needs a lowest denominator and that is you here.

I'm just pointing out your consistent life as the dumbest fuck this side of Cleveland.com.

Agenda ladden and unable to see a point on even the sunniest of days. A true waste of oxygen.

[SoulDawg74]

Naw, I don't want you banned.

The world needs a lowest denominator and that is you here.

I'm just pointing out your consistent life as the dumbest fuck this side of Cleveland.com.

Agenda ladden and unable to see a point on even the sunniest of days. A true waste of oxygen.

SD:

Well thats mighty white of ya to be so tolerant to wanta keep someone around to make your star shine.

People can search their entire life and not fulfill it with such purpose.

maybe if it wasn't raining , I could have seen your bright idea launched in the sunshine of that wit that just glows over the board .

Either that or I could have taken off my dark glasses.


I'll work on it.


SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

I'm truly glad you managed to work QB talk and now racial talk into this thread.

I'd of been disappointed if you didn't manage to work in your two go tos.

A true visionary you are.

[SoulDawg74]

I'm truly glad you managed to work QB talk and now racial talk into this thread.

I'd of been disappointed if you didn't manage to work in your two go tos.

A true visionary you are.

SD:

Anything to make you happy .

We aim to please


SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

I'm truly glad you managed to work QB talk and now racial talk into this thread.

I'd of been disappointed if you didn't manage to work in your two go tos.

A true visionary you are.

SD:

Anything to make you happy .

We aim to please


SoulDawg

[motherscratcher]

I'm truly glad you managed to work QB talk and now racial talk into this thread.

I'd of been disappointed if you didn't manage to work in your two go tos.

A true visionary you are.

SD:

Anything to make you happy .

We aim to please


SoulDawg

The royal we.

[SoulDawg74]

I'm truly glad you managed to work QB talk and now racial talk into this thread.

I'd of been disappointed if you didn't manage to work in your two go tos.

A true visionary you are.

SD:

Anything to make you happy .

We aim to please


SoulDawg

The royal we.

SD:

Yes ..........................................

Accept no substitutes

[pup]

Ya'all about done?

[motherscratcher]

Ya'all about done?

Hold on there Hoss, we still haven't heard SD's thoughts on Mangini's drafting performance.

[FUDU]

I think the double post is the perfect icing on this cake.

SD double posts are like Old freakin Faithful.

ETA: not to mention the diversion thread created a midst the entire debacle. Classic stuff.

[SoulDawg74]

Ya'all about done?

Hold on there Hoss, we still haven't heard SD's thoughts on Mangini's drafting performance.

SD:

I tied it into his credit for purging the roster and deducted the credit commensurate to the damage created by his utter failure to upgrade and replace those talents lost .

I make it a negative .0000000000000000001 to the 100 th power .

Course if you need a rehash , we'll probably have to take it to no holds barred , because I highly doubt PUP is in the mood for our lady like discussion especially as it also involves eyesore and myself.


SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

There was no discussion you crack addled moron.

There was you running into a thread and ruining it with your agenda laden bullshit.

Same ole same ole you dumb fuck.

[SoulDawg74]

There was no discussion you crack addled moron.

There was you running into a thread and ruining it with your agenda laden bullshit.

Same ole same ole you dumb fuck.

SD:

sniffle , that was just so tender and thoughtful .

It really shows you care , for a clueless cunt u really are a softie.


SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

The best part is, you are so insecure that no matter who posts (mother, me, pup, anyone) you have to get the last word to justify the inane bullshit your fingers drop all over this board. Piece of shit senile old fuck that you are

[Cerebral_DownTime]

[SoulDawg74]

The best part is, you are so insecure that no matter who posts (mother, me, pup, anyone) you have to get the last word to justify the inane bullshit your fingers drop all over this board. Piece of shit senile old fuck that you are

SD:

When you get the chance between your lunacy rants and stroking yourself .

Insert picture of Pot meet Kettle and then go fuck yourself .

In a nice way of course.





.....still





SoulDawg

[DrPoove]

[mistero]

2010 opening day roster:

Vets cut/waived/expired before 2011
All thses guys were replaced by youth.

Quarterbacks
17 Jake Delhomme---> Jarred Brown,Troy Weatherhead 1yr/rookie
12 Colt McCoy
6 Seneca Wallace

Running Backs

28 James Davis
35 Jerome Harrison
40 Peyton Hillis RB/FB
47 Lawrence Vickers FB----> Owen Marecic rookie
Wide Receivers

16 Joshua Cribbs RS
11 Mohamed Massaquoi
18 Carlton Mitchell
80 Brian Robiskie
83 Chansi Stuckey----> Greg Little rookie
Tight Ends

89 Evan Moore
84 Robert Royal----->Jordan Cameron rookie
81 Alex Smith
82 Benjamin Watson
Offensive Linemen
66 Shawn Lauvao T/G
55 Alex Mack C
79 Tony Pashos T
78 John St. Clair T---> Jason Pinkston rookie
65 Eric Steinbach G
73 Joe Thomas T
60 Steve Vallos C/G
77 Floyd Womack G---> John Greco 4yrs
68 Billy Yates G/C
Defensive Linemen

90 Kenyon Coleman DE---> Jabal Sheard rookie
67 Derreck Robinson DE
92 Shaun Rogers NT---> Phil Taylor rookie
71 Ahtyba Rubin NT
91 Brian Schaefering DE/NT
98 Robaire Smith DE----> Jamimee Mitchell 5yrs
Linebackers
50 Eric Barton ILB---> Dqwell Jackson 6yrs
58 Marcus Benard OLB/DE
96 David Bowens ILB---> Kaluka Maiava 3yrs
54 Blake Costanzo ILB---> Brian Smith rookie
99 Scott Fujita ILB
51 Chris Gocong OLB
52 D'Qwell Jackson ILB
56 Kaluka Maiava ILB
53 Matt Roth OLB
93 Jason Trusnik OLB---> Austin English 1 yr
Defensive Backs

20 Mike Adams FS
24 Sheldon Brown CB
26 Abram Elam SS
23 Joe Haden CB
22 Derrick Roberson CB
27 Nick Sorensen SS---> Eric Hagg rookie
41 Ray Ventrone FS
43 T. J. Ward SS
21 Eric Wright CB---> Buster Skrines rookie
Special Teams

4 Phil Dawson K
2 Reggie Hodges P
64 Ryan Pontbriand LS

[e0y2e3]

I really have no idea what that has to do w/ fielding a team w/out locking anyone up long term or blowing money.

You do understand that short term vets have nothing to do w/ anything, right?

And again, how many of those players has HECKERT HAD TO CUT.

PS: You may want to think real hard about who signed Delhomme.

[e0y2e3]

And I would like to thank you for not getting the point of anything said in this thread by four people not named SD.

Now I'm sure we'll get to read him howling more and more about nothing. So that's good.

[mistero]

I'm not framing this as a Mangini versus Heckert thing at all. Not trying to explore the past. Just saying this team is as young as any team I ever remember seeing. It's like they are trying to build this club from the bottom up into Holmgren's vision. I suspect winning this year will have a very low priority. It's about growing your key cornerstones and building from the draft. I have to question how does this team hit the cap floor? Hopefully we'll see some extensions for Mack and Thomas.

[motherscratcher]

I'm not framing this as a Mangini versus Heckert thing at all. Not trying to explore the past. Just saying this team is as young as any team I ever remember seeing. It's like they are trying to build this club from the bottom up into Holmgren's vision. I suspect winning this year will have a very low priority. It's about growing your key cornerstones and building from the draft. I have to question how does this team hit the cap floor? Hopefully we'll see some extensions for Mack and Thomas.

I've been wondering the same thing. We have to be $25mil away from it right now.

[pup]

Confused on the salary floor myself.

But I thought I heard Shefter on M&M this AM say you do not have to hit the floor until 2013? If that is the case, then I am all for holding some coin in the bank.

[e0y2e3]

Frankly I don’t understand WTF they are doing.

I understand avoiding the overpriced long term guys but there are TONS of prime/entering their prime players that would fit this club signing all over the league on one year deals and these guys aren’t even bringing them in for visits.

As has been said elsewhere, it almost feels like a punt of the season for a high pick next year. No other defensible reason to ignore one year contract players that would help them win this year.

I’m at a loss.

And yeah the salary floor deal is in effect in 2013.

[DrPoove]

Frankly I don’t understand WTF they are doing.

I understand avoiding the overpriced long term guys but there are TONS of prime/entering their prime players that would fit this club signing all over the league on one year deals and these guys aren’t even bringing them in for visits.

As has been said elsewhere, it almost feels like a punt of the season for a high pick next year. No other defensible reason to ignore one year contract players that would help them win this year.

I’m at a loss.

And yeah the salary floor deal is in effect in 2013.

My biggest frustration as well. Bunkley (before it was recindend) and Greco are mid-20s guys that bring something to the table. This isn't Ted Washington or Willie McGinest just playing out the string. This team still has depth issues and it is a prime opportunity to roll the dice on some cheap low-risk, potentially high-reward guys now that could pan out for a team sorely lacking in talent and depth.

A punt of the season? How are we gonna do that now that My Man Reggie is out for the year???

Too soon?

[FUDU]

Maybe we were planning on faking punting the season away?

[yogi]

Frankly I don’t understand WTF they are doing.

I understand avoiding the overpriced long term guys but there are TONS of prime/entering their prime players that would fit this club signing all over the league on one year deals and these guys aren’t even bringing them in for visits.

As has been said elsewhere, it almost feels like a punt of the season for a high pick next year. No other defensible reason to ignore one year contract players that would help them win this year.

I’m at a loss

Perhaps Holmgren and Heckert are also of the belief that the team's talent base is better than the 5-11 showing of last year.

This is not meant to start a debate on Mangini, Ryan and Daball vs. this year's coaches. But you have to believe that H&H think that's a major upgrade.

One thing though thats an unknown is there are players at key roles whose success/failure will determine whether we are flirting with .500 or in the hunt for the Luck sweepstakes.

We shall start to find out and it ought to be interesting.

[JCoz]

Confused on the salary floor myself.

But I thought I heard Shefter on M&M this AM say you do not have to hit the floor until 2013? If that is the case, then I am all for holding some coin in the bank.

Even when it does hit, its league wide, and not per-team.

[HoodooMan]

Even when it does hit, its league wide, and not per-team.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/explaining-the-nfl-salary-cap-salary-floor-what-it-means-for-tampa-bay/1184190

So will that be the case from now on in the NFL: no cap floor, just this leaguewide total?

No. Just for the first two years of the new labor agreement. Starting in 2013, the league will return to a "cap floor," which is set at 89 percent of the cap. So if for example the cap in 2013 was still at $120 million, each team would have to spend a minimum of $106.8 million. No more leaguewide total. According to a report by profootballtalk.com, the Bucs have spent about $90 million in "cap" money so far this year. So if the "floor" existed this season, they would be required to spend another $16 million. But as we've explained, there is no "floor" this year.

[JCoz]

Even when it does hit, its league wide, and not per-team.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/explaining-the-nfl-salary-cap-salary-floor-what-it-means-for-tampa-bay/1184190

So will that be the case from now on in the NFL: no cap floor, just this leaguewide total?

No. Just for the first two years of the new labor agreement. Starting in 2013, the league will return to a "cap floor," which is set at 89 percent of the cap. So if for example the cap in 2013 was still at $120 million, each team would have to spend a minimum of $106.8 million. No more leaguewide total. According to a report by profootballtalk.com, the Bucs have spent about $90 million in "cap" money so far this year. So if the "floor" existed this season, they would be required to spend another $16 million. But as we've explained, there is no "floor" this year.

Thanks. Its tough to keep track of it all.

I knew it was league wide now, I thought however, that it was league wide for the duration.

[SoulDawg74]

Even when it does hit, its league wide, and not per-team.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/explaining-the-nfl-salary-cap-salary-floor-what-it-means-for-tampa-bay/1184190

So will that be the case from now on in the NFL: no cap floor, just this leaguewide total?

No. Just for the first two years of the new labor agreement. Starting in 2013, the league will return to a "cap floor," which is set at 89 percent of the cap. So if for example the cap in 2013 was still at $120 million, each team would have to spend a minimum of $106.8 million. No more leaguewide total. According to a report by profootballtalk.com, the Bucs have spent about $90 million in "cap" money so far this year. So if the "floor" existed this season, they would be required to spend another $16 million. But as we've explained, there is no "floor" this year.

Thanks. Its tough to keep track of it all.

I knew it was league wide now, I thought however, that it was league wide for the duration.

SD:

Teams still have immense

latitude

as to how they arrive at that cap number , too escalators kick off the floor sooner where if 99 % of teams reach the cap or an expenditure of 3.84 billion in total contracts take root.

Teams also have two exemptions in regards to old contracts and new signings giving them a quasi transition period which equate to $3.5 million and $3 million respectfully , so in down to earth brass tacks using those exemptions the real computed hard cap is really $126 .5 million and not $120.

In any event the Browns are way below the mark , with ample room to restructure a Thomas or to take on future cap debt if they desire , if they target someone with a bi contract .

Future wise with multiple picks in the next draft and two number ones and banked free agent coin , they can definitely address shortfalls to this roster which will become all too apparent after we play this season out .

Personally , I think they're rally leaving their long terms options open , just in case , especially with Luck and Barkley dangling over the market.

They'll be in a position to jump in if they find Colt lacking , or dynamically refresh the roster if Colt pans out as all that and a bag of Chips .

Meantime we're as young as it gets as aptly noted by mistero.


SoulDawg

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Anyone at all even remotely interested in taking a run at Osi? If we could get them off the 1st round pick as compensation, it might worth a shot to get a solid DE in the prime of his career.

[mistero]

Sure I would take a shot at trying to get him for a 3rd and 5th, but NYG have taken him off the table. He will not get a trade out of New York....at least that's what the Giants are saying publically.

[e0y2e3]

Say what you will about having faith in their coaching yogi, but no coaching in the world can help a defense that doesn't even go two deep.

I mean, well fuck, I mean I'm just dumbfounded no one year guys have visited/signed.

Are they planning to fill the two deep w/ UDFAs?

I mean they managed to keep the Eagles pipeline going and bring in one of the worst corners in the league last year according to advanced metrics and the naked eye, but short of that they literally don't have enough players to field an NFL defense w/ NFL rotations.

[pup]

Cleveland Browns
Key additions: John Greco, Brandon Jackson, Usama Young
Key losses: Eric Wright, Abram Elam



Analysis: I commend the trade for Greco. He is a good guard who rarely gets recognized, and he should do well as the starting right guard. But adding Greco isn't going to instantly make Cleveland into a winner. I like the reliability in the passing game that Jackson provides both as a receiver and in protection. But where is the flash? Where are the difference-makers? Where is the pass rush going to come from? This is a team that seems to value quantity over high quality with personnel decisions, but overall, the Browns are lacking star power and difference-makers. This free-agency period didn't help that situation. It amazes me that they haven't done more.

Grade: D

Worst off season grade in the AFC. According to Matt Williamson, ESPN Insider.

[e0y2e3]

Only thing I'll say about that is I am fine relying only on the draft to aquire star power.

But when it comes to putting a team on the field w/ enough NFL level players I'd like to see FA used a bit and to take some 1 year contracts on high upside guy shots.

It really almost seems like they are tanking next year.

Either way doubt I'll be watching after game 6. May not even make it past game four w/ this team. They are going to be really, really, really, bad. Even if the offense is okay the defense is going to be amazingly terrible.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Our LBs and WRs are pretty shitty.

[Triple-S]

Is it possible that Greg Little develops into a border-line No. 1 receiver? or does he have MoMass 2.0 written all over him?

Kind of an interesting thought that's been going through my mind. That and if Carlton Mitchell can develop into a contribute on o.

[e0y2e3]

Our LBs and WRs are pretty shitty.

And DEs (it's not like DE and LB are the most important positions in a 4-3, oh wait...)

And CB (no nickle back in a league where w/ the pussified QBs run the league shit nickle backs are on the field a TON

And free safety, where there isn't really one on the roster.