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The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby TheSigningBonus » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:37 am

Who do you think the next bat will be, if any? I hope its not Ludwick. Bourn is another lefty. Do you think there is anyone else coming?
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Spin » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:24 am

Judging by the most recent move, someone who had a half season of destruction last year, two half-seasons of meh since, and comes cheap.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Anglefan » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:33 am

There aren't really upgrades to be had at this point. We are just going to have to go with what we have.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:47 am

Has the Upton ship sailed? Not even sure I'd want him (at least, not at a huge cost), but he could be an intriguing pick-up. That'd probably be more of a deal for next year though, too...not sure of the impact it would have on this season.
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Unread postby onlyindreams » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:55 am

Anglefan wrote:There aren't really upgrades to be had at this point. We are just going to have to go with what we have.


Ludwick might not be very good, but he has more RBI's than anyone on our team and his OPS against lefties is .124 better than any of our outfielders.(Brantley's .603 OPS against lefties is currently tops among our OFs ) I'd take him if it takes just a minor prospect or two.
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Unread postby Symbolic47 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:21 am

Ludwick would be an upgrade, as sad as that is. If we get him, we at least have some legit options heading into next season. Between Choo, Brantley, Fuku(maybe), Grady(?) and maybe Ludwick we should be able to field something decent. Which is far better than what we have now.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Spin » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:27 am

It depends on what we have to give up for Ludwick, and whether we already traded away a player who would have made that deal.

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Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:39 pm

I'd rather have Ianetta right now. Our needs at catcher might just be more important. Get Ianetta from Rockies for Marson and Perez. Sorry, Lou fans...he sucks at the plate. We have had too much of that in the lineup. BUT, with Uncle Cabs gone, we surely have more upside.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:43 pm

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Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:56 pm

Choo's gonna be back ahead of schedule. I have to think an offensive catcher makes more sense. The Pirates seem to be going after Lu hard now. And do we have room for both? I think it's 50/50 that we get anything done.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:58 pm

Just saw that we're getting close to a deal on Ludwick. Doesn't mean it's happening, just throwing it out there.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:59 pm

By the way, it's according to Yahoo's Tim Brown, whoever that is. So take it for what it's worth.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:00 pm

Yeah, just saw, too. I guess we'll go for him and since the Ianetta runmor isn't carrying much weight, that'll be all.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:00 pm

I'd say you're right!
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby davemanddd » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:04 pm

swerb wrote:twithersAP Tom Withers
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Indians manager Manny Acta said in radio interview that he believes team will make another move today before trade deadline. #buckleup.


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Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:05 pm

It's like Christmas fellas!
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:07 pm

TribeinLA wrote:It's like Christmas fellas!


Ludwick is like getting socks from your Grandma.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:07 pm

TribeinLA wrote:It's like Christmas fellas!


Really? Sounds more like a bridal shower with all the gossip and bitching/rumor mongering.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:07 pm

Ludwick seems close to a done deal. I guess he's an upgrade over Kearns, so long as the upgrade cost is a middling AA player.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:09 pm

Does Kearns get DFA, then? I would expect that to be the case.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:13 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:Does Kearns get DFA, then? I would expect that to be the case.


I'd assume either Huff or Carrasco get sent down so Jiminez can take a place in the rotation.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:16 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Does Kearns get DFA, then? I would expect that to be the case.


I'd assume either Huff or Carrasco get sent down so Jiminez can take a place in the rotation.


He's talking about acquiring Ludwick.


I would say yes. Kearns would get DFA'd. Or, you could see if he'd accept an assignment to Columbus and DFA Valbuena. If Kearns gets through, he's a valuable 5th/6th OF to bring up in a pinch if we can keep Buck.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:00 pm

If Ludwick is like getting socks from grandma, then our current outfield is a broken Lite Brite set from the relative in prison.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:28 pm

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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:30 pm

If they can get him for little to nothing, like Fukudome, you do it. If they want something substantial, you just walk away. The Padres have zero leverage here. Ludwick has sucked mightily this year. The Indians would be acquiring him and hoping for a lightning bolt coming from nowhere based on his time in St. Louis. He has talent, but when a guy is OPSing what he is, he should be purely a salary dump for the Padres.
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Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:31 pm

What could San Diego possibly be expecting us to give up? If their asking price is too high, walk away now, because there's little chance it'll be worth it.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:36 pm

And talks are "cooling" between Ianetta and Blue Jays. Go get him!

I'm guessing SD is expecting a Phelps/Perez type deal or something and if I am Cleveland I say "thanks, but no thanks." The Padres need to remember that they're sellers...not the other way around.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:14 pm

So we balked at the asking price, but Pirates get him for a PTBNL or cash? If it was just a PTBNL I would assume a draft pick from last year. The way it looks though, they got him for next to nothing.

Ether SD hates us, or we did not want Ryan Ludwick.
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:58 pm

Hm, maybe we walked away and the market for Ludwick pretty much fell thru the floor.

Goes back to what someone said upthread- guys like him should be available in a waiver-trade.
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Unread postby aldamon » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:20 am

Like others have said, getting Choo back will be better than any trade available. Even Pence IMO. Getting anything out of Sizemore will be a miracle but I'm not giving up hope.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:54 am

pup wrote:So we balked at the asking price, but Pirates get him for a PTBNL or cash? If it was just a PTBNL I would assume a draft pick from last year. The way it looks though, they got him for next to nothing.

Ether SD hates us, or we did not want Ryan Ludwick.


Antonetti probably told them to shove it after SD kept trying to play Pitt and Cleveland off each other for a fairly mediocre player. This left them to have to pretty much take nothing for him, which is all he's worth.

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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:09 am

Everybody who didn't want the Indians to get Ludwick should be happy now.
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Unread postby redneckofsc » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:40 am

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Everybody who didn't want the Indians to get Ludwick should be happy now.



I am.

I am not happy that we didnt upgrade the offense when that was the problem, not pitching.

But I did not want a corner outfielder hitting .230....we have plenty of those.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby gotribe31 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:58 am

Tim Kurkjian at ESPN reported the following RE Ludwick:

They went aggressively after Padres outfielder Ryan Ludwick, but the Padres wouldn't make the trade without Taiwanese right-handed pitcher Chen-Chang Lee (currently at Triple-A Columbus) in the deal, and the Indians said no (Ludwick went to Pittsburgh).


If CC Lee was the price, there was absoutley no reason to make the deal. Well done by Antonetti there, and I'm not just saying that because I don't have Lee's autograph yet and want him around for a couple more years.

For those who don't reguarly read the "hipster" Around the Farm posts, Lee is 3-0 with a 1.37 ERA and 29 K in just 19 2/3 IP for Columbus. And while in Akron this year, he went 2-1 with a 2.50 ERA and 56 K in 39 2/3 IP. If I'm Antonetti and the Padres ask for Lee in a deal for Ludwick, I laugh and hang up.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:05 pm

Which is really funny, considering they pretty much gave him to the Pirates for nothing.

I guess after asking the Tribe to completely over-pay, you can't go back to that same GM and just give him away a few minutes later.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Pressrunnr » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:55 pm

If I understand the waiver process correctly, one small benefit to being in second place with a worse record than the other contenders in the league means Tribe should have first refusal over whatever RH bat (Vlad? Can he even play OF at all?) might happen to come down the proverbial pike. Guess that depends on whether White Sox/Twins still consider themselves "in it." Of course, they're also in position to keep someone from going to the Tigers. All in all, it's an advantage I rather they not have at this point, but they have it, so they should use it.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:38 pm

Pressrunnr wrote:If I understand the waiver process correctly, one small benefit to being in second place with a worse record than the other contenders in the league means Tribe should have first refusal over whatever RH bat (Vlad? Can he even play OF at all?) might happen to come down the proverbial pike. Guess that depends on whether White Sox/Twins still consider themselves "in it." Of course, they're also in position to keep someone from going to the Tigers. All in all, it's an advantage I rather they not have at this point, but they have it, so they should use it.


Indeed, but you have to be careful on something like this. If the other team just wants to drop the salary, they let the claim stick.

After claiming Alex Rios last year, I don't see the Sox going that route. It could be the deal that finally does Williams in. The Jays probably still can't believe someone claimed him.
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Re: The Next Bat Coming Is...? (hopefully not Ludwick)

Unread postby Pressrunnr » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:33 pm

Likewise the Padres and Randy Myers.

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