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Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby swerb » Sat May 28, 2011 2:02 pm

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Cavs would then draft Kyrie No. 1 and Derrick Williams No. 2. Nothing imminent but trade us being discussed by the teams.
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Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det's 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick
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Cavs, Pistons, Twolves discussing 3-team trade that would give Cavs 1st & 2nd picks, sources say.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat May 28, 2011 2:06 pm

That sounds like a pretty good deal to me, man.

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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat May 28, 2011 2:29 pm

I heard the rumor but didn't know how they make it work.

So we'd also take Rip? What does Rip have to say about that?

Would the Cavs be allowed to just buy out Rip then? Not sure how that works.

Either way, this sounds a hell of a lot better than last week when we were hearing they might turn the #4 and exeption into Iggy.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat May 28, 2011 2:32 pm

Crazy question:

If this went down, would the Cavs be better off with Williams, or would they be better off with #4 and #8 and bring in 3 rookies?

Probably too many rookies to absorb onto a roster in the same season.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Sat May 28, 2011 2:54 pm

I'd love this because it isn't my money, but good lord. Writing a $20-$25 Million check to move up 2 spots??? Have to give Gilbert a lot of credit if this ends up happening.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby JJN » Sat May 28, 2011 2:58 pm

Interested if Williams is playing the 4, not interested if he is dead set on playing the 3.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat May 28, 2011 3:08 pm

Kingpin74 wrote:I'd love this because it isn't my money, but good lord. Writing a $20-$25 Million check to move up 2 spots??? Have to give Gilbert a lot of credit if this ends up happening.


Please show your work. Is that what it would cost to buy out Rip?
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Sat May 28, 2011 3:09 pm

If this went down, would the Cavs be better off with Williams, or would they be better off with #4 and #8 and bring in 3 rookies?



Definitely worth considering, we need bodies. Hell, they could even play some poker with Minnesota and try to wait them our for a lower price since they obviously don't want Williams. But I don't think there's any way Gilbert pays that much money just to get the 8th pick. He has it bad for Williams.

Please show your work. Is that what it would cost to buy out Rip?


Total guess. I just figured since he's owed $25 mill over the next two years, the buyout would be in the 80% range. But who knows, it's a major number regardless.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby FortheWin » Sat May 28, 2011 3:10 pm

We would be able to buy Rip out.
He can play the 4 and 3. (Williams)
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby JJN » Sat May 28, 2011 3:19 pm

I know he CAN play the 3 and the 4, but the question is should he? Jonathan Givony pretty much summed it up while watching Miami collapse on D-Rose:

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That's yet another reason why Derrick Williams can be "just another small forward" or a phenomenal power forward. Get with the program dude. 1 day ago

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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby SDM » Sat May 28, 2011 3:32 pm

Chris Paul and David West, Lake Erie style.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Sat May 28, 2011 4:23 pm

I LOVE the sound of this. But my question is if we do end up drafting Williams is it a forgone conclusion Hickson will be traded?
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby JJN » Sat May 28, 2011 5:51 pm

I wouldnt say forgone. If we play Williams mostly at the 3 or Hickson mostly at tue 5, they could both stay on. If we can keep Hickson, great, but if the right deal is there you have to bite. Hickson's stock may never be higher, and if we can use him as part of the deal and keep our own #4 pick for Vala or Kanter, I would be thrilled, as that would make us pretty solid at 1, 4, and 5.

As far as the Paul/West comparison, it might not be far off. Kyrie probably wont be as good as Paul at his peak, but who knows with his knee now. Williams will probably be better than West, he is a little shorter, but far more agile/athletic, and has about 25lbs on West, so he should be better in the post with backing down/ not getting backed down.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby StewieG » Sat May 28, 2011 6:37 pm

I'd rather stay at 4 and 8 personally. There's a chance you could end up with Irving, Kanter, and Biyombo...which is pretty much my dream scenario.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby FUDU » Sat May 28, 2011 6:48 pm

On the surface I'd be most happy with the 1,4,8 if it could happen (by keeping and using Rip the best we can), but the 1,2 scenario is tricky b/c it could be great but I'm not so sure I want to risk any possibility of picks down the road if that is what would happen. We are going to need more picks in the year(s) to come, this is as close to a fact as anything. You need some sort of flexibility as a safety net if in fact you get caught needing a piece in the transition of going from bottom to near the top.

I think eye has mentioned this a few times and probably illiterates it a bit better or in more detail, as I rarely give two fucks about contracts and CBA crapola.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat May 28, 2011 7:12 pm

FUDU wrote:I'm not so sure I want to risk any possibility of picks down the road if that is what would happen. We are going to need more picks in the year(s) to come, this is as close to a fact as anything. You need some sort of flexibility as a safety net if in fact you get caught needing a piece in the transition of going from bottom to near the top..


Yes, I want to think long and hard before I lose future flexibility. It seems the last years of the LBJ era, we kept making a bunch of short term moves to try to get over the top and to keep the whiny one happy. That short term thinking was just that. Short term.

Now is not the time to think short term. We can't rush and make risky decisions regarding the future and hurt ourselves long term. But I love the fact that they are willing to think out of the box. Just no too far out of the box.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat May 28, 2011 7:50 pm

OldDawg wrote:
FUDU wrote:I'm not so sure I want to risk any possibility of picks down the road if that is what would happen. We are going to need more picks in the year(s) to come, this is as close to a fact as anything. You need some sort of flexibility as a safety net if in fact you get caught needing a piece in the transition of going from bottom to near the top..


Yes, I want to think long and hard before I lose future flexibility. It seems the last years of the LBJ era, we kept making a bunch of short term moves to try to get over the top and to keep the whiny one happy. That short term thinking was just that. Short term.

Now is not the time to think short term. We can't rush and make risky decisions regarding the future and hurt ourselves long term. But I love the fact that they are willing to think out of the box. Just no too far out of the box.


LBJ's final years? What about the 25 years it took em' to recover from Ferry.

This franchise has been as flexible as a flourencent bulb for 40 years.

Not quite sure I can recall a 5 year stretch where they weren't handcuffed by some sort of dumb deal.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sat May 28, 2011 8:00 pm

Nevermind, the Pistons don't want to deal their pick. Trade dead.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun May 29, 2011 11:35 am

This franchise has been as flexible as a flourencent bulb for 40 years.


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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun May 29, 2011 11:46 am

Some Cavs draft insights:

Cleveland Cavaliers scout Trent Redden said that based on Glen "Big Baby" Davis' poor performance in the playoffs, fewer NBA teams would probably draft fat, useless fucks.


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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby fundamentals » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:51 am

Not sure what the Twolves will do with that pick, looks like they are going to ink Rubio to a deal for the upcoming season (should there be one):

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ves_060111
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:35 am

This is a bit late, an complicated, but an interesting read on the Clippers and not protecting the pick...

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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:36 am

Also worth noting is that various reports are now all confirming that this D-Will obsession is driven almost entirely by Gilbert, who cannot keep is grubby little hands out of his puppet GM's anal cavity.
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:49 am

^Get's hard to deny when just about everyone is running with it...

Seems impossible that Williams > Kanter/Vala + Bismack/#8
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:45 pm

fundamentals wrote:Not sure what the Twolves will do with that pick, looks like they are going to ink Rubio to a deal for the upcoming season (should there be one):

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ves_060111


If you never read the recount from Rubio's draft night... http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2010/06/s ... tzvah.html
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Re: Cavs Trying to Get #2 Overall Pick

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:57 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
fundamentals wrote:Not sure what the Twolves will do with that pick, looks like they are going to ink Rubio to a deal for the upcoming season (should there be one):

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ves_060111


If you never read the recount from Rubio's draft night... http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2010/06/s ... tzvah.html


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