David Wright

[swerb]

Emailed my buddy in LA I do business with. Diehard/informed Dodgers fan. Really jaded right now though.

Here's what he said about the Dodgers potentially selling and who they'd likely wanna dump:

The dodgers are a trainwreck right now. They are gonna unload and reboot, almost for sure.

Casey Blake, still injured and old, but could be productive for a playoff run with the tribe.

Carroll has been one of the most consistent players this year- always hustling… also a good playoff pickup.

Uribe was a terrible decision for the dodgers from the start- I wouldn’t want him on my team.

Garland- 4th or 5th starter?? Not much to me.

I don’t know why mccourt is fighting so hard? He could probably make some $ on the sale, and hang out in one of the many homes he bought with our dodger $.

[googleeph2]

I come here mostly to learn, not teach- so pardon me if this is too outlandish.

Shawn Marcum is 6-1 LHP with like a 2.40. He's arby-eligible nextyear, and a free agent in 2013.

The Tribe has dealt with the Brewers- there was the CC trade.

The Brewers are a few games over .500, and 3 1/2 back of St. Louis.

Could he be a viable target for a midseason move if they tank (pleasepleaseplease)?

[dazindiansfanuk]

I come here mostly to learn, not teach- so pardon me if this is too outlandish.

Shawn Marcum is 6-1 LHP with like a 2.40. He's arby-eligible nextyear, and a free agent in 2013.

The Tribe has dealt with the Brewers- there was the CC trade.

The Brewers are a few games over .500, and 3 1/2 back of St. Louis.

Could he be a viable target for a midseason move if they tank (pleasepleaseplease)?

Marcum's a RHP, not a LHP.

The Brewers just acquired him this past-offseason to team up with Gallardo and Greinke.... I doubt they'd trade him 3-4 months later.

EDIT: Especially as the Brewers traded their top prospect (Lawrie) for him.

[pup]

Depending on the health of Pronk...

[British_Pharaoh]

I come here mostly to learn, not teach- so pardon me if this is too outlandish.

Shawn Marcum is 6-1 LHP with like a 2.40. He's arby-eligible nextyear, and a free agent in 2013.

The Tribe has dealt with the Brewers- there was the CC trade.

The Brewers are a few games over .500, and 3 1/2 back of St. Louis.

Could he be a viable target for a midseason move if they tank (pleasepleaseplease)?

Marcum's a RHP, not a LHP.

The Brewers just acquired him this past-offseason to team up with Gallardo and Greinke.... I doubt they'd trade him 3-4 months later.

EDIT: Especially as the Brewers traded their top prospect (Lawrie) for him.

Especially with Gallardo languishing in AAA now

[WiscTribeFan]

Especially with Gallardo languishing in AAA now

You must be thinking of someone else. He pitched last night against the Nats.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7926

[dazindiansfanuk]

Depending on the health of Pronk...

Thome would be a tough one..... some Indians fans hate him, but him hitting #600 at The Jake for the Tribe would (or should I say "should") be a big attendance boost.

And the guy can still hit.

[skatingtripods]

Meh on Garland. Too much like all the guys we already have. Sinker/slider type.

I wish Lilly was up for FA after this year. I'd like a crafty LHP in the rotation like him. He's much better than this year's numbers.

[peeker643]

Especially with Gallardo languishing in AAA now

You must be thinking of someone else. He pitched last night against the Nats.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7926

They've also won 8 of their last 10 and 11 of their last 14. They'll have to make a call in a month whether they're looking for a lot of the same things the Tribe will be looking for.

They have a bad month it might be intersting but right now they're trending toward 'buyers'.

[Jumbo]

Depending on the health of Pronk...

Thome would be a tough one..... some Indians fans hate him, but him hitting #600 at The Jake for the Tribe would (or should I say "should") be a big attendance boost.

And the guy can still hit.

I think Thome might fall into the category of time heals all wounds. Also, having the Decision lessened some of the sting of The Rock, which lessened some of the sting of Manny getting paid, which lessened the sting of Belle signing with the White Sox. In the end, winning trump (dis)loyalty.

If Pronk is definitely out for the season, Nick Johnson can't come back and play, and there's no other position player available that makes sense...then definitely give it some thought.

[googleeph2]

I like the thought of targeting a couple guys who have produced in pressure situations, proving their control over sphincter puckering. Hence a Paul Byrd circa 2007 type of guy.

We just don't know how most of these guys are going to react.

[Dnthateonthepronk]

I Hanahands. But if the Mets are sellers who can argue David Wright. It would cost us the Chiz probably, and one of our stud lefties in the minors + ?. Would you make the deal assuming he's healthy? I would.

heres the link for story and stats http://bleacherreport.com/articles/676399-new-york-mets-is-it-time-to-consider-moving-david-wright

/I think Dolan would approve of this BTW - the contract is only for 2 years with an option. Expensive, but we got nearly everyone on this team on the dole(an) - ha!

I have sent the same type of question to Hoynsie twice in the last month.

I would do Chisenhall and Kipnis and a lower level pitcher say a Bryson or a price.

Lets face it Chizzy wouldnt be teh fieldre Wright is and its obvious how important defense to this team is.

Plus Wright also has value as a trade chip in the event of unforseen circumstances

[Dnthateonthepronk]

I would be surprised if the Indians traded any significant prospects. The farm is this team's life blood. With guys like grady, choo, haf and o.c., probably gone in the next couple of years, the tribe is going to need everyone they can get out of the farm.

yeha but if is needed they could trade those guys off for prospects or recieve very good compensation for them if they left as free agents

[Dnthateonthepronk]

And yeah, I would offer to drive Lonnie to the airport.

He is already gagged, tied up and in the trunk of my car ready to go

[Dnthateonthepronk]

I'd try to rent Jose Reyes for the rest of the year,

Fuck it...go for both

[Dnthateonthepronk]

Personally if we are going to go to dream land, I say we call up the mariners offer them Chiz, Kipnis, and Alex White for King Felix.


It would never happen, but a true ace is really what we need, but doesnt everybody.


Plus then we could turn around and deal Felix for a bounty if need be.

[WiscTribeFan]

Personally if we are going to go to dream land, I say we call up the mariners offer them Chiz, Kipnis, and Alex White for King Felix.


It would never happen, but a true ace is really what we need, but doesnt everybody.


Plus then we could turn around and deal Felix for a bounty if need be.

You mean Alex White the guy who probably isn't going to pitch anymore this year due to a freak injury on his pitching hand?

[skatingtripods]

Personally if we are going to go to dream land, I say we call up the mariners offer them Chiz, Kipnis, and Alex White for King Felix.


It would never happen, but a true ace is really what we need, but doesnt everybody.


Plus then we could turn around and deal Felix for a bounty if need be.

You mean Alex White the guy who probably isn't going to pitch anymore this year due to a freak injury on his pitching hand?

If it were Bavasi, he still might do it.

[pup]

Personally if we are going to go to dream land, I say we call up the mariners offer them Chiz, Kipnis, and Alex White for King Felix.


It would never happen, but a true ace is really what we need, but doesnt everybody.


Plus then we could turn around and deal Felix for a bounty if need be.

You mean Alex White the guy who probably isn't going to pitch anymore this year due to a freak injury on his pitching hand?

Come on. It is only a finger. How long can that linger?

Besides, just tell the M's he can always cut it off if need be. Mordecai could do it.

[peeker643]

M's are right in that race as of now and may stay in it solely because of the pitching they're getting from Hernandez, Pineda and Fister, et al.

The might soon be shopping in the same aisle as the Tribe.

[Jumbo]

M's are right in that race as of now and may stay in it solely because of the pitching they're getting from Hernandez, Pineda and Fister, et al.

The might soon be shopping in the same aisle as the Tribe.

Yeah. They could use David Wright, et al., even more than the Indians could.

Along those lines, this season seems unusual in that the AL seems tighter than the NL. The only definite AL seller at this point seems to be the Twins, with like 4 or 5 probable sellers already in the NL, aided by the Dodgers and Mets issues. We'll see where things are on July 15.

[bucknutz94]

Yeah. A lot of close races mean fewer sellers and more buyers. If the Dodgers and Mets decide to turn things over they'll have a shit ton of teams to deal with. And some of those teams will value their own prospects much less than the Tribe does.

[pup]

If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

[peeker643]

If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

Just saying....

[pup]

If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

Just saying....

Sorry. If 85 people in Cleveland...

[peeker643]

If 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard the name of the minor leaguer being requested by another team, you can pretty much cross him off the list of being traded.

No way is this group suddenly going to go Anti-Plan and unload any of the kids for a quick fix. This isn't even the year they are supposed to be full tilt. They will scream patience and hope the yutes are what they expect next year.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

Well, I get the point, but no way in hell 85% of the people in Cleveland have ever heard of Kipnis, Chisenhall, Phelps or Pomeranz.

Just saying....

Sorry. If 85 people in Cleveland...

[bookelly]

I agree they will be stingy in giving up players, but its clear to me now that they have some sort of numbers system they crunch to evaluate trades. They will have a set number value for Wright, Reyes, the King and if a trade comes in at above said # value (including $alary no doubt) I bet they pull the trigger.

Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

Edit; After thinking about it, there is prolly only one number the computer spits out which is relative player value, then the FO would have to decide if it made business sense. I bet it's any interesting process, one which they guard very deeply I heard as it's obviously quite a good system/program.

[skatingtripods]

Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

If this were true, you really think that they'd have signed Orlando Cabrera?

[bookelly]

Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

If this were true, you really think that they'd have signed Orlando Cabrera?

Well, yeah. Obviously defense plays into the formula, and he was cheap. I think he's more than fulfilled his spot holding down 2B until one of the kids is ready. Not arguing there wasn't some gut instinct involved, there always is.

[skatingtripods]

Like it or not, this team is run by a computer program now. Tribe is one of the most SABr metric teams in the league.

If this were true, you really think that they'd have signed Orlando Cabrera?

Well, yeah. Obviously defense plays into the formula, and he was cheap. I think he's more than fulfilled his spot holding down 2B until one of the kids is ready. Not arguing there wasn't some gut instinct involved, there always is.

In retrospect, I should have put completely in front of true. I know what the point you were making was.

There are plenty of other exceptions, basically all the vet signings over the last 5-6 years.

[motherscratcher]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/the-mets-lowball-david-wright/

The Mets recent "lowball" offer of a measly $100mil (actually it is a lowball offer. Crazy world) made me think of this thread. Reading through it, it's not quite as embarrassing as you might think. A few "what would we do with Chiz" comments and my favorite (sorry Jumbo):

It looks like the Mets a major hole at second base. Hmm...Phelps or Kipnis + Hagadone for Wright? But that leaves Chiz blocked, but there'd be no rush to deal him or anything.

Some things that struck me the most was the thought that Wright's injury might mean he's never the same again. The Dodgers were sellers and in dire straights financially. We had a promising player named Cord Phelps. Pomeranz was all but untouchable...

This thread is only a year and a half old...but it was a million damn years ago.

[gotribe31]

If he were healthy, it would cost too much and if he's not healthy, then there's no point.

Why would the Mets deal an MVP-caliber 3B for a projected above-average 2B and a lefty reliever?

[Jumbo]

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/the-mets-lowball-david-wright/

The Mets recent "lowball" offer of a measly $100mil (actually it is a lowball offer. Crazy world) made me think of this thread. Reading through it, it's not quite as embarrassing as you might think. A few "what would we do with Chiz" comments and my favorite (sorry Jumbo):

It looks like the Mets a major hole at second base. Hmm...Phelps or Kipnis + Hagadone for Wright? But that leaves Chiz blocked, but there'd be no rush to deal him or anything.

Ironically, Kipnis vs. Wright is actually an interesting short-term vs. long-term, contender vs. rebuilding comparison. Would one season of Wright (before FA) be more or less valuable than 6 years of Kipnis? How good of a team do you need in 2013 before your answer changes from Kipnis to Wright?

FWIW, Jonah Keri ranks Kipnis #31 on his trade value list on Grantland. Wright is not listed (or, at least, I didn't see him on a quick scan).

[skatingtripods]

FWIW, Jonah Keri ranks Kipnis #31 on his trade value list on Grantland. Wright is not listed (or, at least, I didn't see him on a quick scan).

Can't list a guy when you don't know his contract situation, which was a big part of Keri's rankings.

Kipnis is likely to be worth 15-25 wins over that six years, possibly more. Wright won't be worth that in one season.

Couple that with what we'd have to give up. Really not close between the two.

[bookelly]

My God am I WAAAAY too much of an optimist.

Like MS said...amazing what 1 1/2 can do. I'm now at the point where I probably won't buy the MLB ticket this year, and just give up on the Tribe for a while...maybe forever. Ouch that hurt to type.

/FTR - If you've lost ME as a fan, you are in deep, deep trouble. I'm as loyal as they come, but even I have my limits as to how much bullshit I can take from this owner.