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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby StewieG » Tue May 17, 2011 9:23 pm

Cory Joseph...Guard from Texas. That's the guy we're rumored to have promised.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby jb » Tue May 17, 2011 9:24 pm

What are the odds of Kanter & Otto Von North Dakota going 2 & 3? Have to be pretty long.

We'll get our PG in a PG laegue and a talented big. And we'll suck for one more year as they get tons of rookie PT. Hopefully we add a wing next year and the big hope is Phil Dunphy doesn't fuck it all up like tBH1 did at every opportunity.

And the nation loves the Dan Gilbert story. So heartwarming. A human Sea Biscuit.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue May 17, 2011 9:26 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:The Texas point guard who is supposed to be an elite defender.


This guy reb


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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby hermanfontenot » Tue May 17, 2011 9:28 pm

Ziner wrote:Imagine Blake Griffin and Kyrie Irving. My heart goes out to the Clippers fans :tfh:


Fuck them.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue May 17, 2011 9:28 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Kanter never played on the big big time team. He was always junior level. Never has played against the best competition.


Did you listen to that Simmons pod? First 15 minutes they mentioned something along the lines he was 16 and blah blah. I'll have to listen again.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby jb » Tue May 17, 2011 9:35 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Kanter never played on the big big time team. He was always junior level. Never has played against the best competition.



You know it is all about projection at this point and not resume. If they think Kanter can project they don't care if he played rugby with the faculty side on Meaning of Life. Will any of these top guys play against each other in any summer predraft shit.

All I care about is that even in a shitty draft year we got what may well be 2 solid building block pieces in a premier PG prospect and a big.

Rest of the pieces should be fillable by next year's lotto pick and a skilled GM who can do what they did in memphis
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby furls » Tue May 17, 2011 9:44 pm

What would a rebuilding thread be without talking about the Cavs contract situation, which actually works out pretty well with the new draft picks.

They only have one more year of paying Jamison's corpse and Baron Davis drops off the roster the year after. Aside from SideShowBob the Cavs essentially have no salary obligations going forward from the 2012/13 season. Again, the Cavs look to be in a pretty good cap situation.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue May 17, 2011 9:46 pm

Jameson should have been traded for a protected first last summer. Pisses me off that Gilbert had to make his stupid ass run.

BTW:

"Clippers general manager Neil Olshey engaged in some immediate damage control, telling NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper that the Cavs wouldn't have done the trade with protections on the pick, and that had L.A. not acquired Williams, it would not have finished the season 11-11. That will be small consolation to Clippers' fans who have lost a shot at pairing a playmaker like Irving with a beast like Blake Griffin.""

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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 9:49 pm

jb wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Kanter never played on the big big time team. He was always junior level. Never has played against the best competition.



You know it is all about projection at this point and not resume. If they think Kanter can project they don't care if he played rugby with the faculty side on Meaning of Life. Will any of these top guys play against each other in any summer predraft shit.

All I care about is that even in a shitty draft year we got what may well be 2 solid building block pieces in a premier PG prospect and a big.

Rest of the pieces should be fillable by next year's lotto pick and a skilled GM who can do what they did in memphis


How do we get our hands on a skilled GM?
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue May 17, 2011 9:52 pm

FUDU wrote:How do we get our hands on a skilled GM?


I'd say someone that can turn Mo Williams into Baron Davis and Kyrie Irving deserves a shot at the job.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby jb » Tue May 17, 2011 9:55 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
FUDU wrote:How do we get our hands on a skilled GM?


I'd say someone that can turn Mo Williams into Baron Davis and Kyrie Irving deserves a shot at the job.



+ 1

And you gotta hope there is at least one second level kid who can be overpayed into playing here with all the cap flexibility.

But this time, commit to a GD system and don't go to the Phil Savage // Danny Ferry school of randomly kissing frogs and hoping for a prince
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 9:58 pm

Would like to see a chart of Byron Scott's daily heart rate over the past 10 months.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Ziner » Tue May 17, 2011 10:01 pm

Ziner wrote:Feeling like I should donate to the tumor fund charity now...


I felt compelled to donate, call it the lottery high... You cheap bastards should too... it is the least you can do.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 10:03 pm

Ziner wrote:
Ziner wrote:Feeling like I should donate to the tumor fund charity now...


I felt compelled to donate, call it the lottery high... You cheap bastards should too... it is the least you can do.


That was a nice touch to a usually otherwise very bleh sporting event.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue May 17, 2011 10:06 pm

What are you talking about FUDU? The unintentional comedy of the lottery is off the charts, never fails to meet expectations.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 10:14 pm

Drafts suck period, and I include the NFL (w/exception to the first round SOME times). tAss lottery is no different, there's no meat, it's like watching paint dry 99% of the time for 99% of all w/hopes, at least it's quick dry paint though.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby jb » Tue May 17, 2011 10:17 pm

FUDU wrote:Drafts suck period, and I include the NFL (w/exception to the first round SOME times). tAss lottery is no different, there's no meat, it's like watching paint dry 99% of the time for 99% of all w/hopes, at least it's quick dry paint though.



Only you could be fucked in the head enough to be debby downer tonite. probably casue there's still snow on ur street or some dumb shit like that
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 10:18 pm

Not a downer at all, I'm pumped as a Cavs fan, we won't super suck for much longer, but as far as being entertained outside of the "Holy shit no way" moment these things blow your Iggy balls.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Calis32 » Tue May 17, 2011 10:19 pm

swerb wrote:I fully expect Gilbert to try and move up from #4 to #2 to land Kyrie and Williams. He may be unable, but that is totally a TMLP play.


That was immediately my first thought as well.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby FUDU » Tue May 17, 2011 10:20 pm

Calis32 wrote:
swerb wrote:I fully expect Gilbert to try and move up from #4 to #2 to land Kyrie and Williams. He may be unable, but that is totally a TMLP play.


That was immediately my first thought as well.


That would get me excited.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Bayou Tribe » Wed May 18, 2011 7:49 am

Can you imagine how quickly that kid got out of bed and ready for school today? This is going to be the second best day of his life behind when he slipped Wendy Peffercorn tongue at the pool that summer. Great night for the Cavs though, hope it draws some interest coming into the season.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby fundamentals » Wed May 18, 2011 8:06 am

Bayou Tribe wrote:Can you imagine how quickly that kid got out of bed and ready for school today? This is going to be the second best day of his life behind when he slipped Wendy Peffercorn tongue at the pool that summer. Great night for the Cavs though, hope it draws some interest coming into the season.


Bayou, great call on the resemblance to Squints Palledorous.

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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Wed May 18, 2011 8:13 am

So whats the outlook on what the Cavs can do with the Exception and Jameson's contract?

Am I correct in that the exception has little chance to be worth less after CBA talks, and a solid chance to be worth more? Jamesons deal as well, really.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 18, 2011 8:38 am

The exception will be expired by the end of CBA talks and even if it were not the disappearance of S & Ts and the cutting of the cap would make it useless.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 18, 2011 8:39 am

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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Wed May 18, 2011 8:45 am

e0y2e3 wrote:The exception will be expired by the end of CBA talks and even if it were not the disappearance of S & Ts and the cutting of the cap would make it useless.


So what are they going to do with it? Are you saying they completely blew that opportunity at this point?
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 18, 2011 8:46 am

Pretty much. They've got time left to use it, but not a lot.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Wed May 18, 2011 8:50 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Pretty much. They've got time left to use it, but not a lot.


I dont see how you could let something like that get to this point.

CBA expires in June? This is Cleveland, FA aren't going to CHOOSE to come here. Cap space is pretty much worthless.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 18, 2011 8:54 am

To be fair if a real low hard cap is put in place letting it expire won't be the end of the world. Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby JCoz » Wed May 18, 2011 8:57 am

e0y2e3 wrote:To be fair if a real low hard cap is put in place letting it expire won't be the end of the world. Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.


Its just wasted currency is all.

Whether its a dollar or a million dollars we dont know, but if it goes unused we set that money on fire IMO.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Wed May 18, 2011 9:51 am

Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.


I think they had a deal in place for Rip Hamilton and a protected 2012 first rounder at the deadline that fell apart due to buyout issues (i.e. Rip being a bitch about it). Hopefully they can restart those talks before July 1. You'd think Detroit would jump at shedding that contract and Rip might warm up to a lump buyout with a lockout looming closer.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby swerb » Wed May 18, 2011 9:57 am

Kingpin74 wrote:
Still maintain we should have at least gotten a bad contract/first rounder with it.


I think they had a deal in place for Rip Hamilton and a protected 2012 first rounder at the deadline that fell apart due to buyout issues (i.e. Rip being a bitch about it). Hopefully they can restart those talks before July 1. You'd think Detroit would jump at shedding that contract and Rip might warm up to a lump buyout with a lockout looming closer.

Going to be very interesting to see Gilbert's willingness to spend this season with revenues down greatly. Although, last nights lotto sure as shit isn't going to hurt ticket sales.

To this point, Gilbert has been praised for doing the same thing Dick Jacobs was praised for - spending a portion of a large sum of profits on the team.

Will he deficit spend?

I tend to think the little guy will just out of spite.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 18, 2011 10:02 am

Again, I’ve read all those reports on Rip.

I don’t fully believe them.

Having a deal in place doesn’t mean he was going to take on Rip and Baron last year, as that would have been a lot of money (and I would have given him credit for spending, Baron pushing him to the cap number is meh).

Until he makes a deal to show he is truly willing to spend to buy picks I don’t buy it. An extra year of Baron Davis isn’t the end of the world on a roster that is going to be filled with mostly rookie and very low salary guys.

Never has anyone reputable said that the Cavs master plan last year was trading for Rip and Baron. Never.

As Swerb says, we have no idea if Gilbert is going to deficit spend or not. Until we see that answer the Rip and Baron rumors are just propaganda to me.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Wed May 18, 2011 10:17 am

That's true, the Baron and Rip talks may have been going on at the same time in February but were an either/or proposition as far as actually pulling the trigger.

Interesting question about the deficit spending though. I think he would out of spite as well ("not in our garage" as recently as 2 months ago) and he needs to keep whatever momentum they have going. I'm guessing they took an absolute bath on season tickets at the renewal deadline and this could be a way to drum up demand again. Personally, I think their prices are still too ridiculous (They're only about 10% down from the height of the LeBron era without a significant discount for season ticket holders, I'll just be cherrypicking a bunch of single game tickets at a significant discount). And when diehards like me aren't renewing, you have issues. They also suddenly have the Indians (at a much friendlier price point) to fight with for corporate and season ticket dollars. But you never know, this draft will be a great PR boon and showing additional effort helps. I'm at least intrigued again.

Back to trades though, I think Biedrins could be another decent target. Overpaid at $9 mill a year over the next three but he's a real center. Maybe the exception for Biedrins, another bad contract, and a Warriors protected 2012 or 2013 first rounder? Then possibly flip an expiring Jamison for a late first rounder at the deadline next year.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 am

Forgive my ignorance. What was the pick we ended up getting from Miami in the S&T for LBJ? Next year's one?
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed May 18, 2011 10:53 am

I am with most of you. This draft is Irving or bust. However, just to think out loud...

If we pick Irving at #1, it sounds like the #4 pick is more of a mystery as far as finding a "sure thing" NBA player. If that is the case, would you ledge if the Cavs picked Williams with the #1 and then picked Brandon Knight at 4? As a tandem, is that pair a more sure of a bet for the league than Irving and whomever you pair him with? Just thinking out loud. Not sure I could turn down Irving, though.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed May 18, 2011 10:57 am

OldDawg wrote:I am with most of you. This draft is Irving or bust. However, just to think out loud...

If we pick Irving at #1, it sounds like the #4 pick is more of a mystery as far as finding a "sure thing" NBA player. If that is the case, would you ledge if the Cavs picked Williams with the #1 and then picked Brandon Knight at 4? As a tandem, is that pair a more sure of a bet for the league than Irving and whomever you pair him with? Just thinking out loud. Not sure I could turn down Irving, though.


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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed May 18, 2011 10:57 am

2013-2017 we get (2) of their picks. Also this years and next years second rounders if I remember corrrrrrrrectly.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed May 18, 2011 11:04 am

Don't outsmart yerself by half. It is Irving all the way.
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby StewieG » Wed May 18, 2011 11:05 am

As I understand it:

We own Miami's 2nd round pick this year
We have the right to swap 2012 firsts with Miami (unlikely)
We own Miami's 2013 pick (top-10 protected in 2013 and 2014, unprotected in 2015)
We own Miami's 1st round pick 2 years after we obtain the above pick (top 10 protected in 2015 & 2016, unprotected in 2017)
We own New Orleans' 2012 2nd round pick
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Re: Gilbert's son to represent Cavs at Lottery

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed May 18, 2011 7:25 pm

swerb wrote:To this point, Gilbert has been praised for doing the same thing Dick Jacobs was praised for - spending a portion of a large sum of profits on the team.

Will he deficit spend?

I tend to think the little guy will just out of spite.


Well, I cursed Vernon Stouffer for selling to Nick Mileti instead of George Steinbrenner. The Gunds came correct on that, so I am just fine with Geor- I mean, Dan.

EDIT while having had a couple drinks: Bob Dolgan reminded that while the Jacobs' were motivated by the bottom line, George Steinbrenner was motivated by winning.
I don't think it's a stretch to say that Dan Gilbert is motivated by winning, as well.

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