Moderators: peeker643, swerb, pup, papacass
by e0y2e3 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:59 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:22 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:FWIW: remember the NBA health of the league argument? NBA season economic figures coming out this morning are strong as hell. All three major Networks had double digit ratings increases (lowest being ESPN at 28%).Arenas ran at 90% capacity for the 7th straight season.Attendence on the whole up 1%Merchendise sales up 20%.NBAStore.com sales up 60%
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:26 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:33 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:35 pm
by jb » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:38 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:44 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:24 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:You really hate facts, huh? Mlb is setting attendance, tv and profit records.
But this April has seen a half-dozen teams produce the worst single-game crowds in the history of their stadiums, and several more flirted with that distinction.
by jb » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:08 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Can you highlight what I care about from a 2007 based study?You'll have to forgive me for having nowhere near the time to read an outdated study right now.My argument all along has been that the owners giving away stupid contracts broke the NBA, not the system.Cut the contracts down some, cut the length, franchise tag, massive revenue sharing overhaul and you are fine.PS: Berger has been inside the NBA financials more than any prof from Vandy and is considered the master reporter on this shit. If anyone knows it is him.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:27 pm
by Orenthal » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:36 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:27 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:48 am
by Orenthal » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:45 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:40 am
Being an NBA owner isn't much different: You need a face and a checkbook. The best owners take it much further by becoming the face of their franchise, engaging their fans, getting involved in the community, unearthing inventive ways to generate revenue, then putting that extra revenue back into their team. But you don't necessarily have to do that. You can just sit back, hire mediocre employees and pay for just enough stuff to stay afloat.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:20 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Yes I certainly got the the NBA is dead, most of America hates it and there is no way massive revenue sharing, a cut-back on contracts/lengths and a franchise tag could fix it.Nope.
Lastly let’s not forget that in Simmons continuing laziness as recently as a few weeks ago he was blaming the city of Sacramento for the potential move (which is 100% off-base). The guy is a hack that is too busy being a media titan to be bothered with researching things.
I just can’t turn into a whiny vagina like you because LBJ was mean.
One of the best playoffs of all time is going on and more people are watching than ever before. That makes me pretty fucking happy.
I don’t give a fuck if LBJ raped me, the chance to watch Chris Paul turn into THE BEST players in the NBA over the last two weeks has been as awesome as sports gets.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:33 pm
by e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:42 pm
by FUDU » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:43 pm
by Bayou Tribe » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:10 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Of note: fixing the CBA is a major hurdle in two billionaires coming into the league (including Burkes who wants to save the Kings/already save the Penguins). They are going to demand stipulations of a shift in economic policy as part of buying.
by jb » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:39 pm
Orenthal wrote:Tesh all the way. I can just see him working up a sweat at the piano belting out The NBA on NBC.
by jb » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:42 pm
Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:Either Simmons is off the reservation or...
Suddenly, it's the arena's fault. You know, because the arena told them to trade Kevin Martin for half his value, or spend one-fourth of their payroll on Beno Udrih and Francisco Garcia.
by e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:27 pm
by Bayou Tribe » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:43 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:To be blunt with it you have existing new owners in NJ, Detroit and GS that are billionaires.And you have Burke in Sac.Then lastly you have Ellison and his lurking bids out there for NO. Of course Stern isn’t going to let the Hornet move so until he gets off the relocation ship he won’t get a team.Currently billionaire ownership is at 11.TMLP still isn’t worth 1BB
by Orenthal » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:54 pm
jb wrote:Orenthal wrote:Tesh all the way. I can just see him working up a sweat at the piano belting out The NBA on NBC.Can't get enough of this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNg1rTAUcXI
by swerb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:32 am
Problem No. 3: It's really difficult to contend unless (A) you strike oil in the lottery, or (B) persuade Chris Wallace or Kevin McHale to trade you his best player. New Orleans landed Chris Paul only because Atlanta screwed up and took Marvin Williams, who's being used as the guy who holds back Zaza Pachulia in all of Zaza's pseudo-altercations. Oklahoma City needed pingpong help to land the second pick of the 2007 draft and needed Portland to pass on Durant. Milwaukee? It landed the No. 1 overall pick of the 2005 draft (Andrew Bogut) one year after Dwight Howard and two years after LeBron James. Bad luck. You get only a couple of home run chances per decade as a small-market team. The odds are against you.Problem No. 4: It's really, really difficult to persuade a franchise player, or even a perennial All-Star, to remain in a small market unless you're winning 60-plus games every year. NBA players like sunshine, big cities and tax-free states. If a franchise can't offer one of the three carrots, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy -- like the girl who joins "The Real World" and claims she's going to keep a long-distance relationship with her boyfriend of six years. You know she will hook up with a roommate; you know the boyfriend will come visit and play pool with that roommate; and you know she will dump him at the end of the weekend. It's just the way the show works. Same for LeBron leaving Cleveland. The current free-agency system doesn't give smaller markets any advantage to help them keep their best players. Superstars such as Chris Paul ultimately will play wherever they want. Lesser stars such as Danny Granger will stick around, but only if you overpay them and destroy your cap. You're screwed either way.
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:35 am
Orenthal wrote:b4 my time (was 8 when they went to NBC), but how great is that.. I still prefer Tesh, but that is a close second.
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:39 am
by swerb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:02 am
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:34 am
swerb wrote:JB, I agree. But I think it's two separate issues.The NBA is very entertaining right now, backed up by all the #'s Lee has provided.The NBA also has major problems that desperately need addressed or less people will be watching five years from now. No need to go into them because the Simmons piece did it perfectly. The problems are fixable, but I don't see them being fixed right without a stoppage and some pain on both sides. This isn't like the NFL ... where everyone is rolling in dough and they just gotta figure out how to split up the kitty.I fully admit to being totally put off by the sport right now after the LeFuckFace ordeal and totally biased. It's still hard for me to watch the sport. And I love NBA basketball, again, for all the reasons Lee mentioned.
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:34 am
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:59 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:41 am
e0y2e3 wrote:The only thing that truly boggles my mind is that people think these numbers, on the uptick since LBJ – Wade – Bosh entered the league are all of the sudden going to fall apart in five years?
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:56 am
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:03 am
by FUDU » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:07 am
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:19 am
e0y2e3 wrote: Maybe we can start talking about how the nba has primarily always been about a few big markets because of the nature of the sport for the 50th time? .
by FUDU » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:24 am
jb wrote:e0y2e3 wrote: Maybe we can start talking about how the nba has primarily always been about a few big markets because of the nature of the sport for the 50th time? .Corrolation to size / nature of the city and resources altering tean composition like today, or more like a very limited sample size and lots of dumb luck & good decisions begetting four dynasties that happened to be in large markets with the smaller markets competing very well during the interregnum years?This would be an interesting side bar discussion.http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:26 am
by Kingpin74 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:31 am
I'll borrow a term from Rich's circle of business: Past performance does not guarantee future results. Superstars concentrating on a handful of teams equals an increasingly irrelevant regular season for a growing number of teams, which leads to empty arenas, fewer viewers watching on local cable, and fewer local fans growing attached to the sport. How much of that can you make up on revenue sharing from merchandising and postseason revenues?
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:38 am
by FUDU » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:42 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Lastly, for the 50th time, the NBA has a bigger and better international basis than any other sport. Not only does the guy in China have your job, he's watching & playing your game bitches!
by Kingpin74 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:51 am
Baseball has produced more different title winners from the aughts forward than the NFL.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:09 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:24 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:I'm actually amazed how butt hurt you are. Read you for ears and never imagined a baseless melt inspired rant like this lasting a year.
by Kingpin74 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:30 pm
When you live in a world where the Florida Marlins are not a small market team you might as well stop posting, FWIW.
by jb » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:37 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:39 pm
by FUDU » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:49 pm
Return to Cleveland Cavaliers & The NBA
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests