At whom the Browns have looked

[hiko]

Here's what I would like. I'd like for you to make your picks during the draft this year. When the Browns are picking, you can let everyone know who you would pick instead. Maybe Peek can archive it and we can revisit it down the road.

I'm not even saying this to bust your chops. I'm really curious. I'd like to see who guys like JB, JTA, Peek and Hiko do too.

I think it might be interesting.

The problem with this is that you need to have real solid knowledge of all available players, and that only goes about a round deep for me. Maybe the 2nd.

I can safely say that, as of now, I want one of Dareus, Quinn, Peterson, or Green in the 1st. Not sure which order quite yet... prolly Dareus first.

[SoulDawg74]

Dumb (honest) question...doesnt our scouting dept change by regime?

SD:

Not for us because the more we change the more we stay the same.

My post covered the last 12 years of them fucking up .

Stop me when you see improvement.


SoulDawg

you're hindsight is 20/20 SD.

Here's what I would like. I'd like for you to make your picks during the draft this year. When the Browns are picking, you can let everyone know who you would pick instead. Maybe Peek can archive it and we can revisit it down the road.

I'm not even saying this to bust your chops. I'm really curious. I'd like to see who guys like JB, JTA, Peek and Hiko do too.

I think it might be interesting.

SD:

After you , been making my prefered choices every year .

Including Sanchez when you were humpin Brady's drawers.

[motherscratcher]

Dumb (honest) question...doesnt our scouting dept change by regime?

SD:

Not for us because the more we change the more we stay the same.

My post covered the last 12 years of them fucking up .

Stop me when you see improvement.


SoulDawg

you're hindsight is 20/20 SD.

Here's what I would like. I'd like for you to make your picks during the draft this year. When the Browns are picking, you can let everyone know who you would pick instead. Maybe Peek can archive it and we can revisit it down the road.

I'm not even saying this to bust your chops. I'm really curious. I'd like to see who guys like JB, JTA, Peek and Hiko do too.

I think it might be interesting.

SD:

After you , been making my prefered choices every year .

Including Sanchez when you were humpin Brady's drawers.

Links or it didn't happen.

Look, I'm really not trying to be an asshole here. I've spent enough time busting your balls without adding anything.

And, I'd be more than happy to make my pick, but I'm like Hiko, I have no real knowledge of any of these guys after the first few rounds, I can tell you who my pick in the first would be but after that, hell, I don't know.

BUTT...I'm not claiming to know, either. You're the resident nastrodamous always talking about the terrible picks the Browns made and who would be better, as if every team wouldn't like to go back and have do-overs.

You talk about it a lot. I'd just like to get it on paper so we can go back and check. We can do it every year. And the in a few years we can go back and debate how large a Super Bowl victory Team SoulDawg would have had if only the front office had listened.

[jb]

We drafted Quincy Morgan in liue of Chad Johnson .

Only cause of his ability in the snow.

And dude, you mocked Rogers on a yearly basis.

[SoulDawg74]

Dumb (honest) question...doesnt our scouting dept change by regime?

SD:

Not for us because the more we change the more we stay the same.

My post covered the last 12 years of them fucking up .

Stop me when you see improvement.


SoulDawg

you're hindsight is 20/20 SD.

Here's what I would like. I'd like for you to make your picks during the draft this year. When the Browns are picking, you can let everyone know who you would pick instead. Maybe Peek can archive it and we can revisit it down the road.

I'm not even saying this to bust your chops. I'm really curious. I'd like to see who guys like JB, JTA, Peek and Hiko do too.

I think it might be interesting.

After you , been making my prefered choices every year .

Including Sanchez when you were humpin Brady's drawers.

Links or it didn't happen.

Look, I'm really not trying to be an asshole here. I've spent enough time busting your balls without adding anything.

And, I'd be more than happy to make my pick, but I'm like Hiko, I have no real knowledge of any of these guys after the first few rounds, I can tell you who my pick in the first would be but after that, hell, I don't know.

BUTT...I'm not claiming to know, either. You're the resident nastrodamous always talking about the terrible picks the Browns made and who would be better, as if every team wouldn't like to go back and have do-overs.

You talk about it a lot. I'd just like to get it on paper so we can go back and check. We can do it every year. And the in a few years we can go back and debate how large a Super Bowl victory Team SoulDawg would have had if only the front office had listened.

SD:

I respectfully decline at this time , because all too often you approached me with Olive branches and then tried to turn around and cram em , but mostly because your just playin with yourself on this issue.

Look man with all due respect mock drafts are for suckers , they mean diddly .

They're fun bets , and pickems and ESPN even has a $1,000,000.00 payout for anybody who can name all 32 and get it right .

None of which solves the Browns problems which was my criticism lodged up in an earlier response.

Guys who track players and talent have an eye and a gift , but they aren't privy to the mechanizations of teams or their politics .

However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to confirm what we allready know the Browns have done poorly .

The main reason is they don't have progressive instinctual operations managers .

Ozzie has real talent , the inbred consistantly outperform us even when they pick last in the draft after winning a Championship , thats outright fuckin pitiful.

Heckert may or may or maynot develop that latent skill , to sniff out the football players left in the wreckage after the first two rounds where you can damn near throw darts and come up with starters , (except for the dumbass Browns as of late that is ) .

But if we're to ever be successful , he's gonna have to .

There's a place for the Montgomeries and Freidrick Pauluses , and then there's a place for Patton and Rommel , guys who can think on their feet and respond to ever changing landscape.

Heckert showed me no such genius last year , in a daft which was three rounds deep because of all the extra junior entrants we scored but average grade IMO and although he was proved out about Ward , he traded up for an injury prone back wasting valuable resources on a talent deficient team while Ozzie landed two 5 story buildings on his DL in the spot he vacated.

But was that Heckerts fault or team Politics while they acted like they supported Mangy while drafting all guys who fit their WCO transition.


SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

We drafted Quincy Morgan in liue of Chad Johnson .

Only cause of his ability in the snow.

And dude, you mocked Rogers on a yearly basis.

SD:

Naw Aaron Rodgers just was low on my radar , we were a team in flux and like bw I was deftly against going that high for wideout , wanted them to trade down , didn't like Alexia Smith who lbsouth was going goo goo Gabbert over and thought the team would be just as well drafting Charlie Frye in the second over Smith at all.

RAC was a defensive specialist, yet in that draft we got him no help , which further proves my point that the browns have a disconnect from their fucking Brains when it comes to drafting .

Hopefully Heckert gets a graft.


SoulDawg

[That_Guy™]

Exactly- Gets jumpy and can't see what's going on. Like those boys whose heads you cover in the burlap sacks and throw in your 'work van' Jamey Gumm.

And I type so much nonsense in my posts that I can't force myself to do it intentionally.

I have this same problem on one of my work computers. If it's the same thing, when I'm typing and get to the bottom of the box, the screen gets all jumpy and you can't see what you're typing.

That being said, I could care less if you are putting you stuff on the top of the bottom. You just strike me as a guy more comfortable on the bottom is all.

If you want an option to IE at work then use this:

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/g ... e_portable

Install to a flash drive or any folder on your computer. I use it at work myself. Stuck with a very old version of IE with no flash. There's a flash plugin out there also that you can install really easy -- just copy files to the plugin directory -- and you're good to go.

[jb]

We drafted Quincy Morgan in liue of Chad Johnson .

Only cause of his ability in the snow.

And dude, you mocked Rogers on a yearly basis.

SD:

Naw Aaron Rodgers just was low on my radar , we were a team in flux and like bw I was deftly against going that high for wideout , wanted them to trade down , didn't like Alexia Smith who lbsouth was going goo goo Gabbert over and thought the team would be just as well drafting Charlie Frye in the second over Smith at all.

RAC was a defensive specialist, yet in that draft we got him no help , which further proves my point that the browns have a disconnect from their fucking Brains when it comes to drafting .

Hopefully Heckert gets a graft.


SoulDawg

Bustin balls but you knew that. I truly believe this statement: the more you know about the NFL Draft, the dumber it'll make yah look.

I do think u r being too hard on the Hardesty pick. Kid had what, almost 300 carries his last year at UT in the Junior NFL aka SEC? I don't think it illogical to believe he was past his hang ups.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175660

Thing you gotta love about Heckert is he seems to place a premium on November instead of February. Do that enough and good things happen.

[motherscratcher]

SD:

I respectfully decline at this time , because all too often you approached me with Olive branches and then tried to turn around and cram em , but mostly because your just playin with yourself on this issue.

Look man with all due respect mock drafts are for suckers , they mean diddly .

They're fun bets , and pickems and ESPN even has a $1,000,000.00 payout for anybody who can name all 32 and get it right .

None of which solves the Browns problems which was my criticism lodged up in an earlier response.

Guys who track players and talent have an eye and a gift , but they aren't privy to the mechanizations of teams or their politics .

However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to confirm what we allready know the Browns have done poorly .

The main reason is they don't have progressive instinctual operations managers .

Ozzie has real talent , the inbred consistantly outperform us even when they pick last in the draft after winning a Championship , thats outright fuckin pitiful.

Heckert may or may or maynot develop that latent skill , to sniff out the football players left in the wreckage after the first two rounds where you can damn near throw darts and come up with starters , (except for the dumbass Browns as of late that is ) .

But if we're to ever be successful , he's gonna have to .

There's a place for the Montgomeries and Freidrick Pauluses , and then there's a place for Patton and Rommel , guys who can think on their feet and respond to ever changing landscape.

Heckert showed me no such genius last year , in a daft which was three rounds deep because of all the extra junior entrants we scored but average grade IMO and although he was proved out about Ward , he traded up for an injury prone back wasting valuable resources on a talent deficient team while Ozzie landed two 5 story buildings on his DL in the spot he vacated.

But was that Heckerts fault or team Politics while they acted like they supported Mangy while drafting all guys who fit their WCO transition.


SoulDawg

Seriously. I'm through with being a dick to you as I do NOT think you're an idiot and I DO think you are entertaining. And, you have caused me to change my opinion about some things, which I have noted (somewhere around here). Also, I'm not the one who called you a cum guzzling drippy vag, or whatever the hell it was that you called me.

I'm not sure what you mean by I'm playing with myself on this issue.

I also think you are misunderstanding me a bit, but that's not biggie either.

I do think that you are putting too much credence in the opinion that Sanchize was a huge miss for this franchise. And also, I'm not giving up on Hardesty yet.

You're right. History has shown that the Browns have done extremely poor drafting in the last decade. But, I don't think you are giving the 2010 draft enough credit. It was a good draft, possibly great...with a chance to be exceptional and franchise altering (depending on if McCoy is who I hope he is or who you think he is...jury's still out).

I think we need to give Heckert a little more credit than you are right now.

At the base of it, we are both Brown's fans so we are both hoping that I'm right. I'm looking forward to the day you start a thread that says "Moscratch, you were right. You are an awesome dude and a swell guy. I want to send you beer."

I've been drinking.

[SoulDawg74]

SD:

I respectfully decline at this time , because all too often you approached me with Olive branches and then tried to turn around and cram em , but mostly because your just playin with yourself on this issue.

Look man with all due respect mock drafts are for suckers , they mean diddly .

They're fun bets , and pickems and ESPN even has a $1,000,000.00 payout for anybody who can name all 32 and get it right .

None of which solves the Browns problems which was my criticism lodged up in an earlier response.

Guys who track players and talent have an eye and a gift , but they aren't privy to the mechanizations of teams or their politics .

However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to confirm what we allready know the Browns have done poorly .

The main reason is they don't have progressive instinctual operations managers .

Ozzie has real talent , the inbred consistantly outperform us even when they pick last in the draft after winning a Championship , thats outright fuckin pitiful.

Heckert may or may or maynot develop that latent skill , to sniff out the football players left in the wreckage after the first two rounds where you can damn near throw darts and come up with starters , (except for the dumbass Browns as of late that is ) .

But if we're to ever be successful , he's gonna have to .

There's a place for the Montgomeries and Freidrick Pauluses , and then there's a place for Patton and Rommel , guys who can think on their feet and respond to ever changing landscape.

Heckert showed me no such genius last year , in a daft which was three rounds deep because of all the extra junior entrants we scored but average grade IMO and although he was proved out about Ward , he traded up for an injury prone back wasting valuable resources on a talent deficient team while Ozzie landed two 5 story buildings on his DL in the spot he vacated.

But was that Heckerts fault or team Politics while they acted like they supported Mangy while drafting all guys who fit their WCO transition.


SoulDawg

Seriously. I'm through with being a dick to you as I do NOT think you're an idiot and I DO think you are entertaining. And, you have caused me to change my opinion about some things, which I have noted (somewhere around here). Also, I'm not the one who called you a cum guzzling drippy vag, or whatever the hell it was that you called me.

I'm not sure what you mean by I'm playing with myself on this issue.

I also think you are misunderstanding me a bit, but that's not biggie either.

I do think that you are putting too much credence in the opinion that Sanchize was a huge miss for this franchise. And also, I'm not giving up on Hardesty yet.

You're right. History has shown that the Browns have done extremely poor drafting in the last decade. But, I don't think you are giving the 2010 draft enough credit. It was a good draft, possibly great...with a chance to be exceptional and franchise altering (depending on if McCoy is who I hope he is or who you think he is...jury's still out).

I think we need to give Heckert a little more credit than you are right now.

At the base of it, we are both Brown's fans so we are both hoping that I'm right. I'm looking forward to the day you start a thread that says "Moscratch, you were right. You are an awesome dude and a swell guy. I want to send you beer."

I've been drinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq0nH5v8xOI

[motherscratcher]

^^^Whatever. I tried, I guess.

[SoulDawg74]

[quote="motherscratcher"]^^^Whatever. I tried, I guess.[/quote


Little late for humility ..."Lucy"

[motherscratcher]

^^^Whatever. I tried, I guess.[/quote


Little late for humility ..."Lucy"

Humility? This is a message board about football. I'm not humbling myself, just trying to have a conversation.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

[hiko]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

[motherscratcher]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

Good point. Makes sense. Plus, with trades the picks can be different. I suppose you could either say "after the trade I would have take..." or "instead of trading I would have taken..."

I think it would be interesting to see how people's drafts would shake out during the season or years down the line.

[SoulDawg74]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

SD:

Yeah

well thats what the little ladies around here might do .

I called my shot in real time on Mays , made no bones about calling Heckert out about it , and in turn gave him mucho props when Ward who nobody on this board was touting panned out.

But none of the Brady nightgown wearin muthas confessed similarly to shootin their wads on the floor and flat out messin their pants in regards to being adamantly averse to adding the Sanchize and eliminating our QB problem .

They were too busy viewing the world outta a hole in Quinns panties

The cum suckin whores want to reinvent History and still ape their ignorance about how unimportant is the need to fill the key spot in all of football with competence.

Until we fix the QB spot we'll never be sheeit .

Its no coincidence , Otto Graham Doctor Frank ryan , Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar are synonymous , with winning Browns football .

Nor does it take a rocket scientist to figure out the lack of such leadership has gone hand in hand with our demise , that is of course unless you post on these boards where people remain oblivious to reality.

All we can hope is Colt gets the creme and the Clear, and nets some big fast wideouts who can turn his 5 yard completions into 20 yard gains, nevermind bothering with anybody who can just flat out hit a twenty yard out and eliminate the drama inbetween.


SoulDawg

[Triple-S]

Its no coincidence , Otto Graham Doctor Frank ryan , Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar are synonymous , with winning Browns football .

Because Sipe and Kosar were synonymous with having cannons for arms (NOT). Which you seem to cherish above intelligence, guts and accuracy.

Again, lets see how pistolas does. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt this season while the Browns try to improve the team overall.

[yogi]

Funny. Sanchize is anything but a sure thing after 2 seasons with a superior football team surrounding him.

Who knows what Sanchize with 10 college football games experienece would've become surrounded by the Browns crappy takent and with Mangini and Dumball guiding his NFL tour. Wait, I think I know the answer to that.

SD, I love ya, but give me and all on this forum a break on the Super Sanchez stuff. He's had all the advantages and support in the world and still hasnt made it.

[SoulDawg74]

Funny. Sanchize is anything but a sure thing after 2 seasons with a superior football team surrounding him.

Who knows what Sanchize with 10 college football games experienece would've become surrounded by the Browns crappy takent and with Mangini and Dumball guiding his NFL tour. Wait, I think I know the answer to that.

SD, I love ya, but give me and all on this forum a break on the Super Sanchez stuff. He's had all the advantages and support in the world and still hasnt made it.

SD:

If we had a QB for the Browns as a rookie led the team to the playoffs and got within one win of the Superbowl , then followed it up the second year and did the same .

With all the wins on the road , would you swear here and now right hand to God you'd be still talkin that same dumb shit you just ran past me .

SoulDawg

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Sanchez wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs with the Browns.

[googleeph2]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

What a great idea.

[yogi]

Funny. Sanchize is anything but a sure thing after 2 seasons with a superior football team surrounding him.

Who knows what Sanchize with 10 college football games experienece would've become surrounded by the Browns crappy takent and with Mangini and Dumball guiding his NFL tour. Wait, I think I know the answer to that.

SD, I love ya, but give me and all on this forum a break on the Super Sanchez stuff. He's had all the advantages and support in the world and still hasnt made it.

SD:

If we had a QB for the Browns as a rookie led the team to the playoffs and got within one win of the Superbowl , then followed it up the second year and did the same .

With all the wins on the road , would you swear here and now right hand to God you'd be still talkin that same dumb shit you just ran past me .

SoulDawg

C'mon SD, you cant pull that non-sense. You think Mark Sanchez with all of 10 college games to his resume would come to the talent stricken Browns with a conservative HC and a dumbass for an OC and gonna sniff playoffs?

What have you been sniffin?

I'm telling you right now, that Mark Sanchez has not as of yet, arrived. I live here in NYC, you have much more faith in Sanchize than the NY Media.

[SoulDawg74]

Funny. Sanchize is anything but a sure thing after 2 seasons with a superior football team surrounding him.

Who knows what Sanchize with 10 college football games experienece would've become surrounded by the Browns crappy takent and with Mangini and Dumball guiding his NFL tour. Wait, I think I know the answer to that.

SD, I love ya, but give me and all on this forum a break on the Super Sanchez stuff. He's had all the advantages and support in the world and still hasnt made it.

SD:

If we had a QB for the Browns as a rookie led the team to the playoffs and got within one win of the Superbowl , then followed it up the second year and did the same .

With all the wins on the road , would you swear here and now right hand to God you'd be still talkin that same dumb shit you just ran past me .

SoulDawg

C'mon SD, you cant pull that non-sense. You think Mark Sanchez with all of 10 college games to his resume would come to the talent stricken Browns with a conservative HC and a dumbass for an OC and gonna sniff playoffs?

What have you been sniffin?

I'm telling you right now, that Mark Sanchez has not as of yet, arrived. I live here in NYC, you have much more faith in Sanchize than the NY Media.

SD:

Man your too close , step back a minute and smell what your sellin or buyin from that ig nurant NY press.

All joking aside Yogi , it doesn't matter where ya been but where ya goin.

Matt Cassell played not at all as a USC backup so holding 17 starts against Sanchez as viable evidence is whacked
and irrelevant because the kid has 32 professional regular season starts and 6 post season games which is more than Peyton mannings had his first four years moreover he has 4 post season wins , when the pressure was greatest and on the road at that .

No different than the ignurant shit comparisons of Cam Newton being a one year wonder .

50 TD's brother, can't be bought at the Walmart for careers, yet he did it in one season his first with a new team with a new offense in a new city and setting , which is ideal info on how a guy can adjust to new things in the pros .

14-0 as the best athlete on the field on either side of the ball on either team setting a new efficiency record completing 67% of his passes while tossing 30 TD's vs five picks ,as a so called running QB , but Browns fans hate on him because he was so poor on scholarsip at Florida he felt compelled to pilfer a laptop allegedly .

Crimminnee hide the children we don't need any players like that , or a kid like Sanchez who overcame the pressure cooker of NY and did nothing but perform in an extremely tough situation.

A kid brought up by a blue collar dad who is a fireman that taught his kid respect , a kid so tough and sure of himself mentally he denied Priscila Carol went to the Jets because he was ready to turn pro , and not only threw at the combine unlike our fair Lady Brandy Quinn , he ran every effin drill including the cones , naw Browns fans really wouldn't have wanted anybody down to earth like that .........really ????


Cmon man


SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

Sanchez wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs with the Browns.

SD:

How do you know that .

Would Sanchez have pooped his panties the way Quinn did in her first four starts , wouldn't Sanchez have been a much better compliment to a team who went 4-0 its last four games without a passing game .

Would there have been the need to dump both Braylon and Winslow had Mangy drafted somebody who could actually hit them knowing he needed to provide that same draft choice weapons .

How would a second year Mark Sanchez of looked starting this year, when we had leads in 12 of our games but inept QB play by the three stooges squandered all advantage.

With Sanchez here and starting instead of (edit)Delhomme " we might have gone undefeated into the bye , our play on the rest of the team sans the QB was that good.

After that anything could have happened.

Perhaps its for the best , had Mangy drafted Sanchez ," he'd still have a job ""and we wouldn't be buying tickets to the big show , because he'd of won more games than he lost in 2009 and been in the hunt in 2010.
all because.......... wait for it now ,

All because he had a fuckin QB.

Imagine that, what a really novel idea.


SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

^^^Whatever. I tried, I guess.[/quote


Little late for humility ..."Lucy"

Humility? This is a message board about football. I'm not humbling myself, just trying to have a conversation.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

SD"

ROTFLMMFAO

Sympathy you want sympathy from me now ,




after admitting you done nothin but play the part of an ig nur ant fuckhead petulant Bitch ever sense I been postin on this board .

Quote """Seriously. I'm through with being a dick to you as I do NOT think you're an idiot """

Well thats mighty white of ya .

Now you want to act like you got some sense after throwing away opportunity after opportunity to act like a man instead of a fuckin pinheaded Jackass , and everything is alright now right ..

Swerb you gotta get an emoticon for Lucy tempting Charlie Brown with kicking that football and insert (here ).

I pity you fool

Hows that for sympathy .


SoulDawg

[motherscratcher]

Sympathy for what? What makes you think I want your sympathy? I don't even...

Look. Most of my posts toward you have been football takes. Some agreeing with you. Some not.

But, some of my posts have been directly and deliberately designed to get a rise out of you for no particular reason. Just saying I'm not planing on doing that anymore. If I agree with you about a football take I'll let you know. If not, I'll let you too.

I'm not sure why you are turning our past board interactions into some Shakespearian fucking tragedy or something.

If you want to respond to a post of mine great. If not, far out man.

That's it. That's all I'm saying. I'm going to try to not address this any more because it's boring and there isn't a single person on here that gives a shit.

Carry on with your bad self.

[hiko]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

SD:

Yeah

well thats what the little ladies around here might do .

I called my shot in real time on Mays , made no bones about calling Heckert out about it , and in turn gave him mucho props when Ward who nobody on this board was touting panned out.

SoulDawg

I'm not sure what the difference is between calling your "What I Would Have Done" right after the pick or a couple days later, but we can easily start the thread right after the first pick.

[gameface]

Yogi,

No offense, but I'm outta NYC too, and I think the NY media digs Sanchez, at least until he has two bad games in a row.

But really, hasn't proven himself? Should he have carried the Jets to the Super Bowl on his back....as a second year player.

I don't know how his career is going to turn out, but I'd say he's been an excellent choice for the Jets to this point. Unless you think Chad Pennington would have taken them further.....

[SoulDawg74]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

SD:

Yeah

well thats what the little ladies around here might do .

I called my shot in real time on Mays , made no bones about calling Heckert out about it , and in turn gave him mucho props when Ward who nobody on this board was touting panned out.

SoulDawg

I'm not sure what the difference is between calling your "What I Would Have Done" right after the pick or a couple days later, but we can easily start the thread right after the first pick.

SD:

Look man try and keep up , if you need a program , send a $10 check to my ebay account and I'll give ya your own play by play .

There was a bitter war around here concerning Quinn Anderson and picking a QB with our pick if Sanchez slid .

The peanut Gallery couldn't understand upgrading our QB position with Brady Quinns panties securely wrapped around their noggins , wile I maintained both were expendable trade fodder to use to upgrade to that spot to get Sanchez long before we found out we could just dump their useless carcasses for extra picks because we could grab the Dirty without paying anybody..

Sense then Brady netted us the heart he never had here playin ,when we got Peyton Hillis , then promptly flubbed his career in Denver worse than he did here in Cleveland , while dumb ass DA at least managed some starts in Zona before failing miserably to convert his wish to bend Cleveland over a rail , while he provided the pain.

Meanwhile back at the ranch ,

Mark Sanchez stepped off the plane unpacked his bags and won the job as starting QB as a rookie on a contending team which opened up a can of whup ass on all comers enroute to the playoffss Brett Farve failed to get them too.

Then did it again the second year .

So no I don't want to hear shit outta that set who were so stuck on their opinions we didn't need anybody like that , nor will I let them back up a pile of Bullshit now and dump it that he hasn't done nothin.

because thats about as far from the true story of the magnitude of that kids showing as it gets.

Cash check or credit card are acceptable payments .


SoulDawg



I

[Triple-S]

jesus christ..

this crap again.

Most unreadable forum right now..bar none.

[pup]

jesus christ..

this crap again.

Most unreadable forum right now..bar none.

Yet, once again, here you are reading and replying.

[Triple-S]

I try to read the non-SD stuff.

When folks like yourself, Hiko, Peeker, Scratcher and a few others are posting, it's a pretty damn good forum. I enjoy the takes and get a lot out of it.

When SD is obsessively professing his love for some random QB, it gets dull. Broken record says that repetitive.

I thought maybe, just maybe we'd finally get some realistic good Browns takes in this thread, and not have it turn into another QB thread...is that really too much to ask?

[hiko]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

SD:

Yeah

well thats what the little ladies around here might do .

I called my shot in real time on Mays , made no bones about calling Heckert out about it , and in turn gave him mucho props when Ward who nobody on this board was touting panned out.

SoulDawg

I'm not sure what the difference is between calling your "What I Would Have Done" right after the pick or a couple days later, but we can easily start the thread right after the first pick.

SD:

Look man try and keep up , if you need a program , send a $10 check to my ebay account and I'll give ya your own play by play .

There was a bitter war around here concerning Quinn Anderson and picking a QB with our pick if Sanchez slid .

The peanut Gallery couldn't understand upgrading our QB position with Brady Quinns panties securely wrapped around their noggins , wile I maintained both were expendable trade fodder to use to upgrade to that spot to get Sanchez long before we found out we could just dump their useless carcasses for extra picks because we could grab the Dirty without paying anybody..

Sense then Brady netted us the heart he never had here playin ,when we got Peyton Hillis , then promptly flubbed his career in Denver worse than he did here in Cleveland , while dumb ass DA at least managed some starts in Zona before failing miserably to convert his wish to bend Cleveland over a rail , while he provided the pain.

Meanwhile back at the ranch ,

Mark Sanchez stepped off the plane unpacked his bags and won the job as starting QB as a rookie on a contending team which opened up a can of whup ass on all comers enroute to the playoffss Brett Farve failed to get them too.

Then did it again the second year .

So no I don't want to hear shit outta that set who were so stuck on their opinions we didn't need anybody like that , nor will I let them back up a pile of Bullshit now and dump it that he hasn't done nothin.

because thats about as far from the true story of the magnitude of that kids showing as it gets.

Cash check or credit card are acceptable payments .


SoulDawg



I

And this has what to do with my assertion that there is no difference between telling the peanut gallery that you wanted Sanchez 10 minutes after the pick or 24 hours later?

[SoulDawg74]

The way this game should be played is not to call your shot now, but the Monday after the draft. THAT'S when we need the "Who I Would Have Taken" thread.

For instance, many of you were pissed the Browns didn't take Taylor Mays instead of TJ Ward, but who would've predicted Mays would've dropped that far in the first place? You can't know who would be available until the pick comes, so you can't really state your preference until after the fact.

SD:

Yeah

well thats what the little ladies around here might do .

I called my shot in real time on Mays , made no bones about calling Heckert out about it , and in turn gave him mucho props when Ward who nobody on this board was touting panned out.

SoulDawg

I'm not sure what the difference is between calling your "What I Would Have Done" right after the pick or a couple days later, but we can easily start the thread right after the first pick.

SD:

Look man try and keep up , if you need a program , send a $10 check to my ebay account and I'll give ya your own play by play .

There was a bitter war around here concerning Quinn Anderson and picking a QB with our pick if Sanchez slid .

The peanut Gallery couldn't understand upgrading our QB position with Brady Quinns panties securely wrapped around their noggins , wile I maintained both were expendable trade fodder to use to upgrade to that spot to get Sanchez long before we found out we could just dump their useless carcasses for extra picks because we could grab the Dirty without paying anybody..

Sense then Brady netted us the heart he never had here playin ,when we got Peyton Hillis , then promptly flubbed his career in Denver worse than he did here in Cleveland , while dumb ass DA at least managed some starts in Zona before failing miserably to convert his wish to bend Cleveland over a rail , while he provided the pain.

Meanwhile back at the ranch ,

Mark Sanchez stepped off the plane unpacked his bags and won the job as starting QB as a rookie on a contending team which opened up a can of whup ass on all comers enroute to the playoffss Brett Farve failed to get them too.

Then did it again the second year .

So no I don't want to hear shit outta that set who were so stuck on their opinions we didn't need anybody like that , nor will I let them back up a pile of Bullshit now and dump it that he hasn't done nothin.

because thats about as far from the true story of the magnitude of that kids showing as it gets.

Cash check or credit card are acceptable payments .


SoulDawg



I

And this has what to do with my assertion that there is no difference between telling the peanut gallery that you wanted Sanchez 10 minutes after the pick or 24 hours later?

SD:

Does it matter if you place your bets at a horse race before they run when it, when it actually counts or Monday morning reading the Sunday results .

If you get reviewed scathingly on your procurement department because the ones that got away are outperforming the ones your bringing in , ...you really got a problem ..

Because your the Browns

SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

I try to read the non-SD stuff.

When folks like yourself, Hiko, Peeker, Scratcher and a few others are posting, it's a pretty damn good forum. I enjoy the takes and get a lot out of it.

When SD is obsessively professing his love for some random QB, it gets dull. Broken record says that repetitive.

I thought maybe, just maybe we'd finally get some realistic good Browns takes in this thread, and not have it turn into another QB thread...is that really too much to ask?

SD:

Well we really could revisit your excellent take advocating the Browns expend 5th and 6th round resources on your buddies at Kent State who will be lucky to get tryouts as udfa's with any team not withstanding the Browns .

Not saying that my criticism of your take got your little vagina bent outta shape or nothin .

But woman act like that all the time .

Raggin on your ass about something else other than what's really bothering them .

Certainly such a fine gentleman as yourself continueing his higher education for the betterment of all mankind wouldn't stoop so low as to respond like a petulant little bitch on her worst period about such issues as a legit football take on a football board , and misconstrue it into a bad hair day .

Now would ya .


SoulDawg

[Ziner]

SD:

Well we really could revisit your excellent take advocating the Browns expend 5th and 6th round resources on your buddies at Kent State who will be lucky to get tryouts as udfa's with any team not withstanding the Browns .

LOL, or we could revisit your excellent take advocating Daryl Clark in the 2nd round... or even talk about Daryl Clark and his battle to remain the Calgary Stampeders third string QB.

[SoulDawg74]

SD:

Well we really could revisit your excellent take advocating the Browns expend 5th and 6th round resources on your buddies at Kent State who will be lucky to get tryouts as udfa's with any team not withstanding the Browns .

LOL, or we could revisit your excellent take advocating Daryl Clark in the 2nd round... or even talk about Daryl Clark and his battle to remain the Calgary Stampeders third string QB.

SD:

Tat be nice , I'm allways interested in what the hometown boys are doing .

The big difference is , I won't go around threatening to scratch your eyes out or snitchin to Pup how I had to use up all my midol because you gave me cramps dealin with your impertinence.

and by the way my final grade on Clark had him worthy as a fourth round pick same as the kid we got from WVU who also went undrafted during the time when Micheal Vicks stoopidity and notoriety caused many and NFL team to pause
from pulling the trigger on such projects.

The second round smak your running was during the season when Clark was on a good run , and I said this kid looks to have talent worth a second round investment .

Its right in there with a later post where I said McCoy could be the best pure passer in the draft and had more escapability than Troy Smith although the spread offense tends to skew real evaluation as to his pro potential.


SoulDawg

[Fire Marshall Bill]

and by the way my final grade on Clark.....

SD.....Draft Guru

We'd like to see your chart,SD,and your unpdated changes as they occur, eh?

I admit, I always loved how you pimped Clark.......esp when he couldn't even carry Michael Robinson's jock

[SoulDawg74]

and by the way my final grade on Clark.....

SD.....Draft Guru

We'd like to see your chart,SD,and your unpdated changes as they occur, eh?

I admit, I always loved how you pimped Clark.......esp when he couldn't even carry Michael Robinson's jock

SD:

High Bill , watch how you throw the word luv around here , I wouldn't want Ziner or triple sss to get Jealous.


SoulDawg

[Triple-S]

SD:

Well we really could revisit your excellent take advocating the Browns expend 5th and 6th round resources on your buddies at Kent State who will be lucky to get tryouts as udfa's with any team not withstanding the Browns .

LOL, or we could revisit your excellent take advocating Daryl Clark in the 2nd round... or even talk about Daryl Clark and his battle to remain the Calgary Stampeders third string QB.

How was I advacating him?

I was saying the Browns were taking a peak at him, and maybe I wouldn't be against it, as he's from my school. I don't even "know" the guy, so how could I be buds with him? Hell, there's only one KSU player I did in fact know (barely) and he got drafted a few years back in the 7th.

I'd be for the Browns bringing in a guy from B-W who seems to be a freak, and Cecil Shorts from the time I saw him in the D-III title game, but those are never mentioned.

[Triple-S]

BTW..it's not like KSU hasn't produced NFL Starters or even Pro Bowl caliber players this past decade



* Joshua Cribbs, Cleveland Browns
* Julian Edelman, New England Patriots
* Abram Elam, Cleveland Browns
* James Harrison, Pittsburgh Steelers
* Daniel Muir, Indianapolis Colts
* Rico Murray, Cincinnati Bengals
* Jack Williams, Denver Broncos
* Usama Young, New Orleans Saints
* Jameson Konz, Seattle Seahawks

[SoulDawg74]

BTW..it's not like KSU hasn't produced NFL Starters or even Pro Bowl caliber players this past decade



* Joshua Cribbs, Cleveland Browns
* Julian Edelman, New England Patriots
* Abram Elam, Cleveland Browns
* James Harrison, Pittsburgh Steelers
* Daniel Muir, Indianapolis Colts
* Rico Murray, Cincinnati Bengals
* Jack Williams, Denver Broncos
* Usama Young, New Orleans Saints
* Jameson Konz, Seattle Seahawks

SD:

Hell man I don't go to Kent but I'm surprised you left off the really big misses .

The kid who went to San Diego as a udfa when we spent ourselves over Kellen Winslow and bypassed the Rapist is as big a monumental blunder by our scouting department as Neville Chamberlain racing back to England with a piece of paper which said Hitler wouldn't go to war if we agreed to let him annex the Sedaton land .

That or watching the Browns ignore Jack Lambert then watch him go to the inbred in the third round and solidify their defense as the lynchpin to that roid crew.


SoulDawg

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Sanchez wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs with the Browns.

SD:

How do you know that .

Would Sanchez have pooped his panties the way Quinn did in her first four starts , wouldn't Sanchez have been a much better compliment to a team who went 4-0 its last four games without a passing game .

Would there have been the need to dump both Braylon and Winslow had Mangy drafted somebody who could actually hit them knowing he needed to provide that same draft choice weapons .

How would a second year Mark Sanchez of looked starting this year, when we had leads in 12 of our games but inept QB play by the three stooges squandered all advantage.

With Sanchez here and starting instead of (edit)Delhomme " we might have gone undefeated into the bye , our play on the rest of the team sans the QB was that good.

After that anything could have happened.

Perhaps its for the best , had Mangy drafted Sanchez ," he'd still have a job ""and we wouldn't be buying tickets to the big show , because he'd of won more games than he lost in 2009 and been in the hunt in 2010.
all because.......... wait for it now ,

All because he had a fuckin QB.

Imagine that, what a really novel idea.


SoulDawg

No.

Mark Sanchez is not good enough to overcome the Browns lack of talent.

He has a team around him in NY.

[SoulDawg74]

Sanchez wouldn't have even sniffed the playoffs with the Browns.

SD:

How do you know that .

Would Sanchez have pooped his panties the way Quinn did in her first four starts , wouldn't Sanchez have been a much better compliment to a team who went 4-0 its last four games without a passing game .

Would there have been the need to dump both Braylon and Winslow had Mangy drafted somebody who could actually hit them knowing he needed to provide that same draft choice weapons .

How would a second year Mark Sanchez of looked starting this year, when we had leads in 12 of our games but inept QB play by the three stooges squandered all advantage.

With Sanchez here and starting instead of (edit)Delhomme " we might have gone undefeated into the bye , our play on the rest of the team sans the QB was that good.

After that anything could have happened.

Perhaps its for the best , had Mangy drafted Sanchez ," he'd still have a job ""and we wouldn't be buying tickets to the big show , because he'd of won more games than he lost in 2009 and been in the hunt in 2010.
all because.......... wait for it now ,

All because he had a fuckin QB.

Imagine that, what a really novel idea.


SoulDawg

No.

Mark Sanchez is not good enough to overcome the Browns lack of talent.

He has a team around him in NY.

SD:

They added pieces on offense like LT Santonio Holmes and Maylon and signed key defensive free agents , because they had a QB , where as we dumped pieces like Braylon & Winslow and gave up on guys like Harrison and Rodney Poole while dumping everybody playing QB here .

We should have been the last team in that draft bypassing on QB because the talent was so bad a 37 year old interception machine and a career backup along with a rookie who went 2-6 while getting obliterated in our last two games vs division foes represented an upgrade.

Mark Sanchez coulda stepped into his jock strap and played butt Nekid and done better than that.

SoulDawg


SoulDawg

[hiko]

SD:

Does it matter if you place your bets at a horse race before they run when it, when it actually counts or Monday morning reading the Sunday results .

If you get reviewed scathingly on your procurement department because the ones that got away are outperforming the ones your bringing in , ...you really got a problem ..

Because your the Browns

SoulDawg

Still not getting you, hermano. This horse race doesn't start until the season does. We don't even know which horses will be in the race yet. When the Browns get on the clock at #6, then and only then do we know the options, then and only then can we call our shot.

As far as I'm concerned, calling your shot is "They shoulda taken Quinn" when they take AJ Green, then you can look back and sing your own praises when Quinn gets 17 sacks and Green can't catch a cold.

And as far as I'm concerned, there's no difference whether or not you call your shot while the Browns are on the clock, 10 minutes after, 2 days after, or a month after (provided, of course, the lockout remains intact).

Just so long as you don't call your shot 3 years from now after the race is run. One thing that pisses me off about people who bitch endlessly about taking Gerard Warren over LDT is how many of them were bitching at that time? 10% maybe?

That's why I'm instituting the Call Your Shot thread for this year's draft, so we have a convenient place to look back and call each other on our bullshit.

[SoulDawg74]

SD:

Does it matter if you place your bets at a horse race before they run when it, when it actually counts or Monday morning reading the Sunday results .

If you get reviewed scathingly on your procurement department because the ones that got away are outperforming the ones your bringing in , ...you really got a problem ..

Because your the Browns

SoulDawg

Still not getting you, hermano. This horse race doesn't start until the season does. We don't even know which horses will be in the race yet. When the Browns get on the clock at #6, then and only then do we know the options, then and only then can we call our shot.

As far as I'm concerned, calling your shot is "They shoulda taken Quinn" when they take AJ Green, then you can look back and sing your own praises when Quinn gets 17 sacks and Green can't catch a cold.

And as far as I'm concerned, there's no difference whether or not you call your shot while the Browns are on the clock, 10 minutes after, 2 days after, or a month after (provided, of course, the lockout remains intact).

Just so long as you don't call your shot 3 years from now after the race is run. One thing that pisses me off about people who bitch endlessly about taking Gerard Warren over LDT is how many of them were bitching at that time? 10% maybe?

That's why I'm instituting the Call Your Shot thread for this year's draft, so we have a convenient place to look back and call each other on our bullshit.

SD:

But there were people bitchin in real time when the Browns pulled a Butchum and picked Warren over Seymor.

The worst was watching Mangy trade Sanchez and then in succession bypass both Freeman and a Legacy player in Clay Mathews Jr.

Not only should he have been fired on the spot for that fuckup butt looked up and shot two years after the fact.

Butch bypassing both Ed Reed and Clinton Portis .

Marty going Mike Junkin,

All of those moves caused realime bitchin.

This board will melt if with Quinn Green and Peterson still on the board Heckert calls Jake locker .

But on that one i could give Heckert a pass .

The kid has sic athleticism is accurate on the run but inaccurate out of the pocket , which is just the opposite problem you have with most young QB's

I suspect its footwork with an unwillingness to step up in the pocket and a lack of peripheral vision , where he's seeing the rush instead of feeling it , while lacking the
sand to pull the trigger and risk a mistake.

But he sure is cute in shorts vs air.

SoulDawg

[motherscratcher]

^^^Which is all the more reason to do the thread. All of those examples you site are why.

For example, last year when the Browns drafted Haden and I insisted that he was well on his way to an underwhelming and average NFL career. I didn't bother (that I recall) to say who I would have wanted instead.

But if we did the thread, people could periodically bring it up to show me what a dumbass I am.

Then again, we would also have a record of the times I was right. Another example. The 222nd pick in round 7 2006. The Browns stupidly waste a pick on Justin Hamilton of VT.

I was all like "Marques Colston! Hofstra Bitches!"

True story.

[SoulDawg74]

^^^Which is all the more reason to do the thread. All of those examples you site are why.

For example, last year when the Browns drafted Haden and I insisted that he was well on his way to an underwhelming and average NFL career. I didn't bother (that I recall) to say who I would have wanted instead.

But if we did the thread, people could periodically bring it up to show me what a dumbass I am.

Then again, we would also have a record of the times I was right. Another example. The 222nd pick in round 7 2006. The Browns stupidly waste a pick on Justin Hamilton of VT.

I was all like "Marques Colston! Hofstra Bitches!"

True story.

SD:

The problem is you have to keep pace in real time during the draft , as when Mangy finally got to use those second round picks and took Masso and Robo instead of Loadholt or Ray Maualuga .

Now its one thing to bypass 1st round talent that has fallen to the second , but quite another to pick second day talent on the first day in liue of players who are solid starters which is where Mangy failed so abysmally .

Robo and Masso were guys a good team wouldn't of had on their boards before the third or fourth rounds if then.

And while they might have reached for one , they would hardly of reached for both , let alone bypass a Maualuga for Viekune .

I bitched about Heckert reaching for an injury prone back , in real time , because last year in a draft super rich in extra talent because of the junior class leaving early to avoid the new CBA rookie cap.

Last year was the time to move down and gain even more picks not waste two extra choices moving up on such a risky gamble which really blew up in his face when Hardesty crapped out.

That move was poorly thought out , never mind the execution.


SoulDawg

[peeker643]

But if we did the thread, people could periodically bring it up to show me what a dumbass I am.

Yeah.

Like people need a real-time draft thread to do that.

Wait...what?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

But if we did the thread, people could periodically bring it up to show me what a dumbass I am.

Yeah.

Like people need a real-time draft thread to do that.

Wait...what?

Draft Thread 10,000xs better than NFL Draft. The draft is stupid and boring and a waste of time.