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Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:14 pm

The answer is "yes" per Gary Parrish. Played his last college game.

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Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:01 pm

Hey Cavs,

Welcome back to the lotto.

Hang out for awhile, we've missed ya.

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Unread postby dmiles » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:44 pm

waborat wrote:Hey Cavs,

Welcome back to the lotto.

Hang out for awhile, we've missed ya.

Keep the faith,

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Cavs have now proven how easy it is to get out of perpetual lotto hell. You just need an owner willing to spend. Once-in-a-lifetime talent of course doesn't hurt right?
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Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:02 pm

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Cavs have now proven how easy it is to get out of perpetual lotto hell. You just need an owner willing to spend. Once-in-a-lifetime talent of course doesn't hurt right?


He may not be tWoA , but those who know seem pretty excited about this kid.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:07 pm

jb wrote:The answer is "yes" per Gary Parrish. Played his last college game.
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Betcha he hasn't ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:20 pm

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:The answer is "yes" per Gary Parrish. Played his last college game.
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Betcha he hasn't ;-) ;) :wink:



Word is dad isn't going to let him tourney ball and risk the top draft $lot.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:23 pm

jb wrote:
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jb wrote:The answer is "yes" per Gary Parrish. Played his last college game.
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Betcha he hasn't ;-) ;) :wink:



Word is dad isn't going to let him tourney ball and risk the top draft $lot.



Scott Van Pelt said he wouldn't be McCoyed (my word).

Guess we'll see. At this point Duke might be better not havng to re-adjust.
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Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:53 pm

yeah hellifIknow. Just passing on the word according to one talking head
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:01 pm

jb wrote:yeah hellifIknow. Just passing on the word according to one talking head



Here's how we'll know what's up:

If he Sam Bowies his knee or Zydrunas's his foot, the Cavs will get the first pick in this draft.

If he comes back and plays (or doesn't play) and is perfectly healthy, the Cavs will receive the 8th and 13th picks in June.

I don't know why we didn't think of that earlier.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:14 am

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:yeah hellifIknow. Just passing on the word according to one talking head



Here's how we'll know what's up:

If he Sam Bowies his knee or Zydrunas's his foot, the Cavs will get the first pick in this draft.

If he comes back and plays (or doesn't play) and is perfectly healthy, the Cavs will receive the 8th and 13th picks in June.

I don't know why we didn't think of that earlier.


Actually, the Cavs will get him with the first pick and then he'll Sam Bowie something.

I haven't seen this kid play but I saw some highlights and all I can say is "Wow". AV and JJ could get 20 points a night just dunking off his penetration passes once he ramps up to NBA speed.
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Unread postby waborat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:25 am

Prosecutor wrote:AV and JJ could get 20 points a night just dunking off his penetration passes once he ramps up to NBA speed.


If he can help those 2 with their acumen as well, then get the fucker
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:09 pm

Huh. I opened this looking for the obligatory 'closet' joke.

I'll be darned.

TCE would be he Sam Bowies after the Cavaliers draft him, but not before he leads Duke to a victory for the ages vs. tOSU.
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Unread postby waborat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:14 pm

Practiced today, reports say he looked good...

If no discomfort tomorrow, you're gonna see a ton of brackets with eraser marks
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Unread postby fundamentals » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:30 am

Given the weakness of the draft, I would have no complaints if the Cavaliers selected Kyrie Irving. The kid is a player and realistically, any player could go down with an injury, just seems like that would be the coup de grace on what has already been a wonderful 2011. His ability to penetrate should make him successful. I know some guys question his height but Rajon Rondo isn't the biggest fella and I would take him in a heartbeat.

Irving would be the least of the Cavaliers' worries if selected. It wouldn't suck either to get Harrison Barnes or Enes Kanter, but that's me. :hide:
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:53 pm

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Unread postby dmiles » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:19 am

Any one-game over-reactions about draft/not-draft Kyrie? I think the chemistry issues were a little overblown last night, and AZ put on an amazing half of basketball as was mentioned elsewhere. What I was not paying attention to was Kyrie's defense. Anybody see anything of concern?
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Unread postby waborat » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:37 am

dmiles wrote:Any one-game over-reactions about draft/not-draft Kyrie? I think the chemistry issues were a little overblown last night, and AZ put on an amazing half of basketball as was mentioned elsewhere. What I was not paying attention to was Kyrie's defense. Anybody see anything of concern?


Not concerned, tough to hang any good defense when the opposing power forward is hitting shots from the parking lot ;-) ;) :wink:

As disappointing a game Duke played last night (if ya can call what Singler & Smith did as playing), I saw nothing that says Irving's got ?'s
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Unread postby Triple-S » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:38 pm

Irvings V. Williams at this point?

or is Williams a flash in the pan? help a man out.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:59 pm

Williams is a great college talent, but at 6'8" he would be another in the mold of tweener at PF. We have those guys already on the roster. IMO, he is too slow to play the 3 and too short to play the 4. Against NBA athletes he won't have the same level of production.

Irving is the obvious #1, after that its all how it falls out, but I'm meh on him and Sullinger.
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Unread postby fairvis » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:06 pm

Kemba. Kemba. Kemba. I just hope he's there at the pick we got from the Clippers. I'd be happy with 2 out of the 4 "elite" talents that we've seen this tournament: Kemba, Sullinger, Williams, or Irving.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:34 pm

I am really confused as of to why you have no vision when it comes to the modern NBA and the positional revolution (aka the lack of a position revolution). Smith, Odom, Dirk, Love, etc…. all have one or another non-traditional physical trait when compared to traditional 4’s. A player like Williams would be a tweener in the mold of what OKC wished Jeff Green would turn into. Mad offensive skills, ability to guard smaller fours and bigger threes, etc….

I’ll take a guy like that with our second pick every day of the week. Just like I would take a ten years ago Jamo every day of the week.

You have to build your roster correctly around a guy that has size issues like him at the four/three hybrid role (like Smith, Atlanta has needed a big fat guy to put next to him and Horford against Dewey and the Lakers forever and Williams can shoot, unlike Smith). He could be a rich man’s Jeff Green, which is a pretty huge prospect.

There are only so many traditional teams left and their numbers are dwindling. The effing Celtics are running Baby as their crunch time Center these days. Chris Bosh is playing the 2 guard down in Miami. Williams would be a player similar to Bosh, but with more ability to create and more athleticism at the expense of height.

Not saying I 100% want him with that second pick, but he’s sure as fuck in the running.

A guy like him gives you a dynamic weapon you find a way to build around. Unlike a fat short slow guy like Sullinger, who gives you an okay post scorer that is short and can’t do anything else.

And fuck Kemba Walker. He isn’t more athletics than your average NBA PG and if he isn’t out athleting you he is useless. Bad shooter, bad pure PG, bad bad bad.

And Kyrie is still the best prospect in the draft, period. So silly how people pretend like players such as Wanna-Be-AI are going to be great NBA players. Gilbert drafts Kemba in the top ten and I am done until he sells the team.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:36 pm

So lee, do you roll with the trend and fill up with BPA athlets within reason , or if Kanter is there with the Clip's pick do you take him and cut across grain, like Bogut?
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:44 pm

I'm all BPA all the time these days. And that doesn't mean Kanter won't be BPA. Workouts are gonna be huge for him and Valla. And Bogut was a true 7 footer in a weak draft. There isn't even one of those this year.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:53 pm

I think on a roster like the one the Cavs have you might need two years of BPA. Maybe you catch a break and there's a big man you can grab there but this team blows athletically. They have an old, fat PG and midget two guards that can't guard anyone along with a bean pole 'center' that gets blown out of the lane if the air conditioning kicks on. And the guys with any athletic ability either have the intelligence of a thalidomide baby or they have no fucking basketball skills like Gee.

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Unread postby waborat » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:03 pm

FO just better hope BPA is > NBA AVG PL in near FUTR
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:09 pm

Fans better just hope Gilbert's hand puppet doesn't fuck this up. Two above average players is a must here, an absolute must.
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Unread postby JJN » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:51 pm

Derrick Williams has shooting percentages look like this: 60%, 60%, 60%, 75% (FG, 2P, 3P, FT). And that's with shooting almost two 3 pointers a game. PER of 32.7, EFF/40 of 29. I don't care if he is a 6'5 center, this kid is a baller. Agree with Lee on the change of PF in the NBA, so wouldn't be too worried if we get Williams (as long as it isn't at the expense of drafting Kyrie)

Rumor is Kantor won't be at Nike Hoops Summit. Kid hasn't really played in the last 2 years, that makes me iffy on him.

I will retract any previous statements I have made about Barnes, seems like he can actually play when he has a decent point guard.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:55 pm

JJN - read the latest draft express profile on Barnes. Some real concerning FG% splits, real real real concerning. I still like him as a prospect but his inability to create a shot also concerns me.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:22 pm

Only a drive by but, Smith 6'9", Dirk 7'0", Love and Odom 6'10". Williams as the second pick alrigh I guess. Just not seeing it, despite the past couple high profile big games. Could change. YES stay away from Walker. DeJuan Wagner reduex.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:25 pm

Kanter should be at the Nike Summit... Wonder how much of the NCAA fervor pushes guys like Kanter to our 2nd pick...??? Pray to GAWD we get that #1 and Irving.

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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:26 pm

No shit OJ - but the only player mentioned in that group that shoots as well as Williams is a first ballot HOFer named Dirk.

That is the point.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:32 pm

You don't see him being shut down ala, Jamison vs Garnett? Due to not having that extra 2 inches. That was more where I was going. Or does is he more explosive/stronger/??? Don't know much about his game other then he was well thought of going in and wondering if the string of good games in being blown out of proportion.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:38 pm

Jameson is 32 and has bad knees and Williams is more explosive. That said the Celtics are my biggest worry for him, mainly because Pierce and KG are so deadly together. That said, DEPTH is necessary to beat them and it doesn't matter because KG is gonna be dead before teh Cavs matter again.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:40 pm

KG is one-legged, I'd just be worried about dude being 6'8" he has 2 years of college so he has less unknowns/potential. Then again I'm a Kanter fanboy so... The other Euro's seem to soft for me...
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:51 pm

KG is one-legged and he still hasn't let an offensive minded PF run game on him outside of Pau in years.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:53 pm

Hickson going off. Need some bulk on the blocks. Wish Hickson had an IQ and consistency...
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Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:08 am

Ohio State was able to do to teams what Orlando did to the Cavaliers several years ago. Either you double Sullinger/D.Howard or live with them draining 3's. Harrelson is big enough to single up on Sully, taking away both the 3 and making it hard for the inside points.

Watching that is what makes me fearful of these short tweeners, and before eye jumps over this weak take, I understand that D. Williams is more athletic and a better shooter (with range) then Sullinger. Flipside is the NBA players defending Williams will be his athletic equal, this guy isn't an athletic freak, and will be fast/tall enough to challange his shot.
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Unread postby StewieG » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:45 am

Irving reminds me a bit of Terrell Brandon. He seems so good already at running a team, and I really like his quickness and his jumper. I don't think he has the athletecism to be a top-tier PG on the Rose/Williams level, but I absolutely think that if he's your starting PG, you can win a title.

Williams is an interesting prospect. He reminds me a bit of Corliss Williamson, except Williams is a much better shooter than I thought he would be. If he's there with the Clippers pick, depending on who else is there I won't be upset if we take him.

I'm not sure this draft has an elite player, though Irving is as close as it's going to have. So my mentality going into the draft would be to find players who I think can be good 2nd or 3rd bananas on a championship team, then hopefully get your #1 next year (or maybe even 2013...I'm going to watch Andre Drummond very closely).
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:14 am

The fact Williams is a junior and most hadn't seen his upside until last night is alarming.

Not to the point that we don't see much of the west coast guys but to the point that dude has always been who he is physically and never dominated a game like he did against Duke.

It's great we saw his upside against Duke. But it's not great that he took as many games off during this year and his career as he did.

Sling your arows and throw your daggers but it makes me nervous that dude doesn't grab a majority of the games he plays by the balls like he did against Duke.

The 2nd lottery pick in this draft? OK. This year we're down to if-comes at that spot in all likelihood. But we already have a big tease here in wine and gold and I'm not sure I (or the franchise) can watch another one come here and play when he wants to and when he is motivated.

I want the PG and this team needs that guy.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:12 am

He has been considered a top ten pick all year by most who care to follow (I know that is less than those who care about what fuck blank NFL team will draft next year). FWIW. I also know you mentioned him MONTHS ago.

Not arguing your points at all. Jus sayin.

What you say rings Kemba "Mo" Williams to me.

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Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:49 am

e0y2e3 wrote:He has been considered a top ten pick all year by most who care to follow (I know that is less than those who care about what fuck blank NFL team will draft next year). FWIW. I also know you mentioned him MONTHS ago.

Not arguing your points at all. Jus sayin.

What you say rings Kemba "Mo" Williams to me.

That is why you only take the tourney for so much salt.


I know.

Just scares dude seems to have an on/off switch some.

Here those things often get stuck in the 'off' position. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:15 am

e0y2e3 wrote:He has been considered a top ten pick all year by most who care to follow (I know that is less than those who care about what fuck blank NFL team will draft next year). FWIW. I also know you mentioned him MONTHS ago.

Not arguing your points at all. Jus sayin.

What you say rings Kemba "Mo" Williams to me.

That is why you only take the tourney for so much salt.


C'mon, it worked out well for them when they selected John Morton based on a turnament game.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby jb » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:21 am

e0y2e3 wrote:(I know that is less than those who care about what fuck blank NFL team will draft next year).



Just admit it Lee. Pete Roselle ran over your pet kitten when you were 3 years old and it is your earliest memory.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:35 am

Naw, a bunch of forty year old fat guys running around eating dog bones and worshipping a 3-13 NFL team did.

Tired of the dumb fucks that support a bad product with no remorse and when the whole league is bad Imma get loud.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby Triple-S » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:56 am

If the Browns were even remotely relevant, would you be a fan at all?
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:59 am

Will always cheer for the Browns. Just won't lick the windows and dip my tongue in the oil like most of America. Especially Cleveland fans that could be lit on fire by the Browns and will still pretend like they gave birth to them.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby JJN » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:41 am

peeker643 wrote:The fact Williams is a junior and most hadn't seen his upside until last night is alarming.

Not to the point that we don't see much of the west coast guys but to the point that dude has always been who he is physically and never dominated a game like he did against Duke.

It's great we saw his upside against Duke. But it's not great that he took as many games off during this year and his career as he did.


First off, Williams is a sophomore. He averaged 16/7 in 28 minutes his freshman year, while shooting 57%. Going into this year he added the three pointer. He shot the 7th best 3PT% in NCAA history, and the best in 20 years. He also is in second place for FTA per game in the NCAA this year (at 8.6). He was the only double digit scorer on his team for the season, no one else grabbed more than 4.6 boards, no one dished 3 assists, or stole or blocked more than he did on Arizona.

I get the concerns about his size and his role, but the kid was an absolute workhorse for his team. You go ahead and question why he wasn't more dominate, I'll question why Arizona got as deep as they did. I think he is a solid mid/late-lottery pick.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby pup » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:52 am

Color me swayed, and I know "someone" is going to blast me for it, but at this point I think:

Barnes+Knight > Irving+Terrence Jones
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:36 am

JJN wrote:
peeker643 wrote:The fact Williams is a junior and most hadn't seen his upside until last night is alarming.

Not to the point that we don't see much of the west coast guys but to the point that dude has always been who he is physically and never dominated a game like he did against Duke.

It's great we saw his upside against Duke. But it's not great that he took as many games off during this year and his career as he did.


First off, Williams is a sophomore. He averaged 16/7 in 28 minutes his freshman year, while shooting 57%. Going into this year he added the three pointer. He shot the 7th best 3PT% in NCAA history, and the best in 20 years. He also is in second place for FTA per game in the NCAA this year (at 8.6). He was the only double digit scorer on his team for the season, no one else grabbed more than 4.6 boards, no one dished 3 assists, or stole or blocked more than he did on Arizona.

I get the concerns about his size and his role, but the kid was an absolute workhorse for his team. You go ahead and question why he wasn't more dominate, I'll question why Arizona got as deep as they did. I think he is a solid mid/late-lottery pick.


Thanks for the junior/sophomore correction.

Now, did ya read the on/off portion of the thread.

One night the guy will give you 22 and 10 and and another game you get 16 and 2 with a 3/10 effort from the line (which speaks directly to concentration and focus given he's a 75% for the year and a month later goes 12/12 from the tline).

If a guy's going to average 17 and 8 then I don't want him getting it because he had as many 32 and 15 nights as 10 and 4 nights.

That's what I'm saying. Another situation where stats are misleading. Dude disappears at times. Look at Friday night's stats. Sullinger looks like he outplayed Harrelson. In actuality that's not the case.

I don't want another Hickson with the lottery pick unless it's 10-14 and you have no choice. He can dominate when he cares to. But I question how often he cares to.
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Re: Kyrie coming out ?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:31 am

No doubt Peeks, my only rebuttle is that in this draft getting a guy at 5-10 that you would normally grab at 10-15 is not an issue.

And again, I like Barnes as a guy with our second pick as well, just am real scared by his complete inability to create a shot and his less than ideal catch and shoot while having a guy within 10 yards of him FG splits.

As for Knight, not gonna blast anyone, guy very talented. Just also averages 86 turnovers a game and hasn't shown any true point ability. In this draft you could do far worse than his upside. Just don't want him in the top three.

And Jones is a bigger Tweener than Williams. He's Williams without 60% three shooting.
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