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Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:17 pm

Anyone else jacked to see this?

http://www.killtheirishman.com/

Trailer looks pretty cool, hope it's not a disappointment...

Too bad they couldn't film it here though...

Still remember when ol' Danny went confetti @ Cedar/Brainard...

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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cease » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:31 pm

Will see it. Hoping it's good.

Reviews around the web aren't glowing. Heard Stevenson on Rizzo yesterday, sounds like it was a very rushed production.

Still, it's a piece of our history, so it's a must see in my book.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:10 pm

Triv just had Rick Porrello on his show talking about the book...

Can't believe they never made this into a movie?

Fawl Cha (sic) To Collinwood woulda been a better title
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:39 pm

Anyone go? Reviews have been so tepid to the point I'm thinking wait for the rental.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:47 pm

jb wrote:Anyone go? Reviews have been so tepid to the point I'm thinking wait for the rental.


Ditto...

Sounds like they really blew the screenplay...

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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:06 pm

The documentary that's showing at the Cleveland film Festival will be much better, I'm sure.

They've already mentioned the "liberties" they took with the Hollywood version.

I have a real interest in Danny Greene (He "backed" my boss' bowling team back in the day) I have NO interest in a fake Danny Greene story.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:12 am

leadpipe wrote:
I have a real interest in Danny Greene (He "backed" my boss' bowling team back in the day) I have NO interest in a fake Danny Greene story.


My FiL said he was quite the cat in Collinwood, would show up to his Harley shop w/ hams 'n birds often...

My wife babysat the Greene's neighbor's kids and said Danny Jr would always ask her out, but she told him the VA nuns would freak if she dated before 18 :lmfao:
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:52 am

So, who plays my 2nd cousin, Ray Ferrito?

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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby jb » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:52 am

leadpipe wrote:The documentary that's showing at the Cleveland film Festival will be much better, I'm sure.

They've already mentioned the "liberties" they took with the Hollywood version.

I have a real interest in Danny Greene (He "backed" my boss' bowling team back in the day) I have NO interest in a fake Danny Greene story.



What's the name, dude. I'd like to keep an eye out for that.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:00 am

^ Danny Greene:The Rise and Fall of the Irishman
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Rat_Tail » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:39 pm

jb wrote:
leadpipe wrote:The documentary that's showing at the Cleveland film Festival will be much better, I'm sure.

They've already mentioned the "liberties" they took with the Hollywood version.

I have a real interest in Danny Greene (He "backed" my boss' bowling team back in the day) I have NO interest in a fake Danny Greene story.



What's the name, dude. I'd like to keep an eye out for that.


Here's a link to the info:

http://www.clevelandfilm.org/festival/films/2011/danny-greene-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-irishman

I didn't think KTI was that bad, although the ending was cheesy as fuck. Still worth a watch.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:32 am

Larvell Blanks wrote:^ Danny Greene:The Rise and Fall of the Irishman
3-25 @ 6:15pm
3-26 @ 9:45pm
3-27 @ 7:05pm


Anyone go and see this?

Future dvd?
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:46 pm

Ray Stevenson will always be Titus Pullo to me.

Cannot wait for Bona Dea, Pullo and Vorenus in Germania....... hell yes.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:54 pm

waborat wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:^ Danny Greene:The Rise and Fall of the Irishman
3-25 @ 6:15pm
3-26 @ 9:45pm
3-27 @ 7:05pm


Anyone go and see this?

Future dvd?


Too slanted toward the hero worship side. The documentary is actually much like I assume the Hollywood version would be - propping the legend up instead of doing what a documentary is supposed to do, which is tell the real story.

If you're into close-up of blown off body parts it'll be two big thumbs up.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:51 pm

leadpipe wrote:
waborat wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:^ Danny Greene:The Rise and Fall of the Irishman
3-25 @ 6:15pm
3-26 @ 9:45pm
3-27 @ 7:05pm


Anyone go and see this?

Future dvd?


Too slanted toward the hero worship side. The documentary is actually much like I assume the Hollywood version would be - propping the legend up instead of doing what a documentary is supposed to do, which is tell the real story.

If you're into close-up of blown off body parts it'll be two big thumbs up.


Shame, too bad no one can get the story right, because it was a helluva tale...

The Biography ep was good a couple years ago, but rushed as usual. It coulda easily been 2 hours
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I guess the nest is reading old Cleveland Press clippings and let the ol' neighborhood boys reminisce
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:38 pm

Soooooooo this movie is about a guy from Cleveland?
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby jb » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:14 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Soooooooo this movie is about a guy from Cleveland?



Yeah, if it were about a guy from C-bus It'd be "Kill the know nothing about pizza German."
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:06 pm

jb wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Soooooooo this movie is about a guy from Cleveland?



Yeah, if it were about a guy from C-bus It'd be "Kill the know nothing about pizza German."


I've never heard of him. He sounds like an awful jackass.

We do lag behind Cleveland in the Mobster department. A couple Israelies selling Uzis and that's about it.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:14 pm

I heard the ending sucked, was like the Mean Jo Green Coca Cola commercial?
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:35 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Soooooooo this movie is about a guy from Cleveland?


...and the Italian guy from Erie who blew his shit away

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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:04 pm

Holy eff is this a terrible movie.

Like wow.

It's shocking too, because the cast is actually really talented, but there was just no overcoming that script. Every four seconds was some stereotypical cliche line about this or that... just awful really.

It's on Starz On Demand right now.

Don't watch it.

The only reason to watch it is to continue to be amazed that Linda Cardellini still doesn't look any different than she did in Freak and Geeks.

Really one of the five worst scripts I've witnessed making it to release.

Actually, I hate you waborat for starting this thread as it led to me clicking the damned thing On Demand.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:39 pm

It wasn't that bad.

A bit too long and slow in parts.

Vincent D knifing that guy in the trunk was cool.

I think it's cool because in the end the Irish lose..... and that's pretty realistic.

If you weren't such a dainty little fairy, you would have watched the Pusher Trilogy by now. But maybe you're too busy watching Transformers trying to pick out the subtle differences in Shia LeBoof's performances in the first and third movies.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:58 pm

Dude, it was the dialogue and cheesy shit that killed me, not the length or the slow parts.

And is the Pusher Trilogy on Netflix streaming, cause if it is I will, I was looking for something to watch this weekend.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:42 pm

No. Netflix is stupid. They only put up part 3..... of a trilogy.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:06 pm

My uncle was good friends with Keith Ritson. Greene would enter the bar, grab a bunch of people he didn't know, and suggest they go to another bar. Thought they wouldn't kill him if surrounded by non-involved people.

Wouldn't stop my people, and he would have won that war against the guineas if he had been...
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:33 pm

Orenthal wrote:My uncle was good friends with Keith Ritson. Greene would enter the bar, grab a bunch of people he didn't know, and suggest they go to another bar. Thought they wouldn't kill him if surrounded by non-involved people.

Wouldn't stop my people, and he would have won that war against the guineas if he had been...


What gave him the confidence was the police protection.

Kinda left out of many of the "legendary" stories. Or any Hollywood movie.

The story of him replacing his blown up home with a trailer on the property..... The legend has him saying "come get me," which, is a bit easier to do when you know the police presence around that area was about non-stop.

If he never turns informant there's a lot less stories, and he'd a probably been dead sooner.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:04 pm

Ya, hell if I know the timeframe of these incidents either. Just always figure its the old man and his brother reliving some glory days of the Halloran park boys.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby pup » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:31 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Holy eff is this a terrible movie.

Like wow.

It's shocking too, because the cast is actually really talented, but there was just no overcoming that script. Every four seconds was some stereotypical cliche line about this or that... just awful really.

It's on Starz On Demand right now.

Don't watch it.

The only reason to watch it is to continue to be amazed that Linda Cardellini still doesn't look any different than she did in Freak and Geeks.

Really one of the five worst scripts I've witnessed making it to release.

Actually, I hate you waborat for starting this thread as it led to me clicking the damned thing On Demand.


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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby youneverknowwhoiswho » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:06 pm

The movie was good, it could have been great just using what was known back in the day. Maybe they were being respectful of the family members that were left behind as far as not going into a more truthful representation. I mean you know what they did, their activities, etc. and they showed it in a tasteful way. As far as the documentary, I thought it very much reflected what was happening along with the real footage of back in the day. It didn't put Danny Greene onto worship status, he said what he said and it showed that in the documentary. Funny after all these years, the deep feelings that come to light of those that disliked him and those back in the day still do. Time does not necessarily heal all wounds; it more or less dulls them.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:43 pm

Wrong, the movie effing sucks.

I don't care how truthful it is or isn't, I don't care who knows who or what is or isn't tasteful, I care that the script was terrible, the acting couldn't cover up the shitty dialogue and the entire thing was a pummeling of cliches.

I don't care if you banged Danny Green back in the day and are touched to see a movie having been made tastefully about him and you banging for days, the script was freaking awful from purely a cinematic standpoint.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:03 am

Shitty film.

Enjoyable movie.

Not everything has to be art.

Most of it is fabrication.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Govbarney » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:27 am

They fucked this movie up by filming it in Detroit not Cleveland. It really took me out of the film , I grew up in Euclid , and most of my family is from Collinwood, and Detroit looks nothing like Collinwood to anyone who knows the area. The sad part is Collinwood really hasn't changed all that much since the 70s, so it would have been perfect for filming.

The final scene really pissed me off, Greene was killed in a Car bombing at a dentist office in South Euclid. I have been to South Euclid many a times, and I don't recall it looking like a Detroit ghetto.
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Unread postby youneverknowwhoiswho » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:57 pm

First off, I totally agree it should have been filmed in Cleveland but guess what, the governor at the time (Strickland) was not giving the tax breaks so they filmed it in Michigan. I said the movie was good, not great. Guess what, I did not bang Danny Greene. Look at my name, figure it out. Re read what I wrote the first time....light bulb go off yet?
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby youneverknowwhoiswho » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:01 pm

One more thing, yes very disappointed with the bomb scene. The Cedar/Brainard building is an icon, they at least could have attempted to find a similar building if they couldn't use the one in Lyndhurst. Also, I didn't care for the timeline of the killings of his Celtic Club at the end but I guess thats where artistic creativity comes to play. Like I said if they just followed the story in the book, they wouldn't have had to do the cliche things. All in all, it wasn't bad, just disappointing at times.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Three choices:

1. The Hollywood interpretation

2. The "Legend" of Danny Greene

3. The Truth

The truth would never have been chosen for a movie in the first place, so you're left with the combination of one and two. The movie whiffed on both accounts, it was bad cinematically, and it was poor in regard to his "legend."

It should be noted that this is an instance where an absolutely awful book was made into a movie. That book is BRUTAL. Mispellings, from a grammatical standpoint, I can't believe it got published. No real way to keep princilples in order through that text. And about 100 other things.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Cease » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:10 pm

I heard that they shot the film in like six weeks. It shows. It did inspire me to watch the documentary, which wasn't a very good documentary.

Met my obligation as a Clevelander to sit through both. Learned that the 70's were a long time ago.
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Re: Kill The Irishman

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:18 pm

Govbarney wrote:They fucked this movie up by filming it in Detroit not Cleveland. It really took me out of the film , I grew up in Euclid , and most of my family is from Collinwood, and Detroit looks nothing like Collinwood to anyone who knows the area. The sad part is Collinwood really hasn't changed all that much since the 70s, so it would have been perfect for filming.

The final scene really pissed me off, Greene was killed in a Car bombing at a dentist office in South Euclid. I have been to South Euclid many a times, and I don't recall it looking like a Detroit ghetto.
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