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Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:59 pm

"I'm also looking for a home-run hitter," Holmgren said, pointedly.
That comment alone will intensify the debate on which glaring need the Browns should satisfy first -- defensive line or wide receiver.
Four defensive linemen are considered worthy of the No. 6 pick. Two are tackles and two are ends. The top-rated linebacker, Von Miller of Texas A&M, and the top-rated cornerback, Patrick Peterson of Louisiana State, could be justified there, too.
But there's really only one home-run hitter on offense worthy of a top-10 pick, a guy who can score a touchdown from any place on the field. That's Georgia receiver A.J. Green. Without mentioning him by name, Holmgren essentially conceded that Green is a strong candidate for the team's No. 1 pick.


Another position on Holmgren's mind as the draft season kicks off is -- no surprise -- quarterback.
"Oh, yeah, we will draft a quarterback. You can almost count on it," Holmgren said.
But the feeling going into this week is that Holmgren is looking for a developmental prospect and is not planning on displacing Colt McCoy as the team's starter in 2011.
"I believe in the young guy we have," he said. "I'm pretty sure we'll take one later in the draft."
McCoy has been meeting regularly with new coach Pat Shurmur for the past couple of weeks. The Browns want to get McCoy exposed to Shurmur's offensive playbook before a possible owners lockout shuts down all contact with players after March 3.
Holmgren indicated he has no intention at present of bringing in a quarterback to compete with McCoy.
"It works best if you can identify 'the guy,' let him know he's 'the guy,' and train him appropriately to be 'the guy,'" Holmgren said. "It's nice to have all this competition and all this stuff, but it doesn't work very well, usually. So if you believe in a young man, believe he's 'the guy,' then you have to go with it."
Holmgren's apparent plan is to designate McCoy the starter, choose between Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace as the backup, and draft a developmental quarterback for the No. 3 role.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby mattvan1 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:03 am

Triple-S wrote:
"I'm also looking for a home-run hitter," Holmgren said, pointedly.
That comment alone will intensify the debate on which glaring need the Browns should satisfy first -- defensive line or wide receiver.
Four defensive linemen are considered worthy of the No. 6 pick. Two are tackles and two are ends. The top-rated linebacker, Von Miller of Texas A&M, and the top-rated cornerback, Patrick Peterson of Louisiana State, could be justified there, too.
But there's really only one home-run hitter on offense worthy of a top-10 pick, a guy who can score a touchdown from any place on the field. That's Georgia receiver A.J. Green. Without mentioning him by name, Holmgren essentially conceded that Green is a strong candidate for the team's No. 1 pick.


Another position on Holmgren's mind as the draft season kicks off is -- no surprise -- quarterback.
"Oh, yeah, we will draft a quarterback. You can almost count on it," Holmgren said.
But the feeling going into this week is that Holmgren is looking for a developmental prospect and is not planning on displacing Colt McCoy as the team's starter in 2011.
"I believe in the young guy we have," he said. "I'm pretty sure we'll take one later in the draft."
McCoy has been meeting regularly with new coach Pat Shurmur for the past couple of weeks. The Browns want to get McCoy exposed to Shurmur's offensive playbook before a possible owners lockout shuts down all contact with players after March 3.
Holmgren indicated he has no intention at present of bringing in a quarterback to compete with McCoy.
"It works best if you can identify 'the guy,' let him know he's 'the guy,' and train him appropriately to be 'the guy,'" Holmgren said. "It's nice to have all this competition and all this stuff, but it doesn't work very well, usually. So if you believe in a young man, believe he's 'the guy,' then you have to go with it."
Holmgren's apparent plan is to designate McCoy the starter, choose between Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace as the backup, and draft a developmental quarterback for the No. 3 role.


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All of that makes way too much sense. It's not rocket surgery or anything, and I'll bash the guy from time to time, but his line of thinking in this case, after 11 years of epic suck, doesn't even sound as if it belongs with the words "Cleveland Browns".

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:06 am

Count down to SD going postal and suggesting blowing the draft on Cam Newton

5.......4.......3.....

This is like the most rational sensical thing I've heard come from a Browns coaches mouth in the last 11 years...
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby RedDawg » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:20 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Count down to SD going postal and suggesting blowing the draft on Cam Newton

5.......4.......3.....

This is like the most rational sensical thing I've heard come from a Browns coaches mouth in the last 11 years...


Funny, I was thinking the same thing. Then I remembered that Shurmur was actually our head coach, and realized how nice it is to have a "football guy" with chops running the show.

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby yogi » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:39 am

Putting 2 and 2 together....

MH is for all intents and purposes naming Colt the man and not looking at any competition for him.

MH realizes the need for a HR hitter, probably meaning Green or fast WR in the 2nd.

Tells me, MH doesnt stay up nights worrying if Colts arm is strong enough.

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby RedDawg » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:44 am

Or, it's all an elaborate smoke screen and he really wants Cam Newton to lead his franchise to the promised land.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:04 pm

You guys are missing the other key point to ruining SD's day about this. After pimping Jarrett Brown as our developmental QB, here is Holmgren saying he is going to draft one.

I think the most interesting thing that comes out of him talking is to me it is pretty clear Delhomme or Wallace will not be here next year, I am torn to which one I think will be here and torn about who I would like to see here.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:23 pm

Ziner wrote:You guys are missing the other key point to ruining SD's day about this. After pimping Jarrett Brown as our developmental QB, here is Holmgren saying he is going to draft one.

I think the most interesting thing that comes out of him talking is to me it is pretty clear Delhomme or Wallace will not be here next year, I am torn to which one I think will be here and torn about who I would like to see here.


I'm not torn. McCoy doesn't need his hand held this season. He was mentored last year on the rigors of the job. He has an appreciation and understanding how much film study it takes and what to look for. He has an understanding of how to go about motivating various teammates and how to handle in-game situations. He knows the speed of play.

He's done with the baby food and now he needs to go make throws. If he can't then you at least want a guy behind him who can.

And that's Wallace or anyone not named Delhomme.

Jake served his purpose and did it well enough that he doesn't have to do it this season.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby hiko » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:41 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Ziner wrote:You guys are missing the other key point to ruining SD's day about this. After pimping Jarrett Brown as our developmental QB, here is Holmgren saying he is going to draft one.

I think the most interesting thing that comes out of him talking is to me it is pretty clear Delhomme or Wallace will not be here next year, I am torn to which one I think will be here and torn about who I would like to see here.


I'm not torn. McCoy doesn't need his hand held this season. He was mentored last year on the rigors of the job. He has an appreciation and understanding how much film study it takes and what to look for. He has an understanding of how to go about motivating various teammates and how to handle in-game situations. He knows the speed of play.

He's done with the baby food and now he needs to go make throws. If he can't then you at least want a guy behind him who can.

And that's Wallace or anyone not named Delhomme.

Jake served his purpose and did it well enough that he doesn't have to do it this season.


Gotta agree with that, and throw in the fact that Wallace's game/size are much closer to McCoy's than Delhomme's game is, so if McCoy goes down, you're not switching to a completely different style of QB.

That and Jake is just flat done. Give him a coaching position, fine, but he doesn't need to be on the field anymore.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby jb » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:53 pm

I like his candor and lack of coachspeak. Refreshing really.
And only SD could miss the point that Colt is annointed. For now. Only becasue he's listening to the Kelly Unitas podcast for the 6000th time moning like barry White.

And it sounds like he wants O , big time. DT's aren't "home rum " hitters. Although unless Grossi is high fairly may slide. Hate to pass on Suh-lite.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby hiko » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:25 pm

jb wrote:I like his candor and lack of coachspeak. Refreshing really.
And only SD could miss the point that Colt is annointed. For now. Only becasue he's listening to the Kelly Unitas podcast for the 6000th time moning like barry White.

And it sounds like he wants O , big time. DT's aren't "home rum " hitters. Although unless Grossi is high fairly may slide. Hate to pass on Suh-lite.


Fairley's got more bust potential than Dareus, but also a higher ceiling. I would be uber-shocked if he fell to 6, and they would be nuts to pass on him if did.

I'm just waiting eagerly for the first "We should trade down" post where we magically pick up 3 first round picks and a Pro Bowler by moving from 6 to 13.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Triple-S » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:35 pm

Fairley makes me nervous

I saw him compared to Shaun Smith on Twitter by a few of the Browns players, and they were having a good chuckle on him.

To me he seems very much on the..Gerard Big Money Warren side.

I want a guy who's guaranteed to start from day one and just not really rock the boat all that much.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:27 pm

jb wrote:I like his candor and lack of coachspeak. Refreshing really.
And only SD could miss the point that Colt is annointed. For now. Only becasue he's listening to the Kelly Unitas podcast for the 6000th time moning like barry White.

And it sounds like he wants O , big time. DT's aren't "home rum " hitters. Although unless Grossi is high fairly may slide. Hate to pass on Suh-lite.


SD:

It is what it is , he's obviously gonna out bid the Cardinals for Albert Pulhose (sp) :hic:
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:52 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:I like his candor and lack of coachspeak. Refreshing really.
And only SD could miss the point that Colt is annointed. For now. Only becasue he's listening to the Kelly Unitas podcast for the 6000th time moning like barry White.

And it sounds like he wants O , big time. DT's aren't "home rum " hitters. Although unless Grossi is high fairly may slide. Hate to pass on Suh-lite.


SD:

It is what it is , he's obviously gonna out bid the Cardinals for Albert Pulhose (sp) :hic:


Now that it is all but certain that it won't be Cam at #6, who do you like SD?
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:41 am

Anyone with any appreciation for the here and now never would have considered trading up, down or sideways for Cam Newton

Anyone with any appreciation for the depth of DE's in the draft would have condiered this needy spot could be filled later than #6

Add to this the absolutely putrid, projectile vomiting quality WR corps and AJ Green is not only the obvious pick if he's there, the thought of him wearing a pumpkin head gives me wood

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:17 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:I like his candor and lack of coachspeak. Refreshing really.
And only SD could miss the point that Colt is annointed. For now. Only becasue he's listening to the Kelly Unitas podcast for the 6000th time moning like barry White.

And it sounds like he wants O , big time. DT's aren't "home rum " hitters. Although unless Grossi is high fairly may slide. Hate to pass on Suh-lite.


SD:

It is what it is , he's obviously gonna out bid the Cardinals for Albert Pulhose (sp) :hic:


Now that it is all but certain that it won't be Cam at #6, who do you like SD?


SD:

Rule of thumb is take anything said by anybody in the FO prior to the draft with a grain of salt .

Especially in February .

Next to Newton Robert Quinn at 6'4" 275 lbs projected to run a 4.55 forty is the next most talented athlete in the draft and you can't run an effective 43 without a premiere pass rusher .

Peterson at 6'2" and 220 lbs may run a sub 4.3 forty and he plays corner.

Fairley and Dareus are both Monsters inside and Fairley can play any position on the line including either DE spot and both DT spots .

Bowers is also a top five quality DE stud.

But Buffalo Zona or Carolina better take Newton off the board because if any of those other guys are left and he chooses Greene over Newton or one of those other studs , it will be as foolish as Savage taking Braylon over Aaron Rodgers or one of another half dozen studs in that draft like Ware and lights out who were way better choices.

You can find receivers four rounds deep in this draft , and if we got Jones and Greene in back to back picks we ain't got a soul on this roster good enough to throw to them.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:24 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:Peterson at 6'2" and 220 lbs may run a sub 4.3 forty and he plays corner.


Not lying. If Peterson is there at 6 and Green is there at 6, I'd be really, really hard pressed not to take Peterson. In all likelihood the very best athlete in the draft and then you have your defensive backfield set for years once you grab another safety two years down the road to replace Sheldon Brown.

Those two corners would be as good as it gets and Brown is built to play safety as it is.

If Green is gone it's a no brainer for me unless something stupid like Bowers being available.

Game changers needed. You can use one at any position if you're the Browns.

Just get one and I don't give a shit if it's another corner if that's the biggest impact player available. SD is right and I was talking to jta1975 about this yesterday: Peterson and Bowers have dominated every level from high school through college. No reason to believe you're not getting the real deal with either.

If Cam goes 3rd there will be chaos w/people trying to move up for Gabbert and others that have therefore fallen.

Gonna be fun if Cam aces his interviews and doesn't fuck up the Cone Drill or whatever the hell they'll have him run. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:36 pm

The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:41 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

JFC...Pay attention, bitches...it don't cost much

We return you now the the latest Browns thread to become all about SD and Cam Newton and the reasons the FO are a bunch of stumbling bumbling idiots who missed on Jesus Christ, The Deuce


My fault on 'game changer'. I suck.

I still need to pm you man. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:46 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

JFC...Pay attention, bitches...it don't cost much

We return you now the the latest Browns thread to become all about SD and Cam Newton and the reasons the FO are a bunch of stumbling bumbling idiots who missed on Jesus Christ, The Deuce


My fault on 'game changer'. I suck.

I still need to pm you man. ;-) ;) :wink:



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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:24 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Anyone with any appreciation for the here and now never would have considered trading up, down or sideways for Cam Newton

Anyone with any appreciation for the depth of DE's in the draft would have condiered this needy spot could be filled later than #6

Add to this the absolutely putrid, projectile vomiting quality WR corps and AJ Green is not only the obvious pick if he's there, the thought of him wearing a pumpkin head gives me wood

I mite actually become optimistic about the Browns again


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So would you quit having sex with yourself if we traded down and nabbed Ingram and Heywood in the first .

Nice of Homie to annouce his plans and all , and I'm sure Cincy would want us to have Greene instead of themselves since they have such good luck with receivers.

But last I checked a back that can house it is considered a homerun threat .."no"?

The best back in the draft alongside Hillis with Hardesty as a bonus sure would be a nice blanky for any QB when you add some veteran receiving.

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby jb » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:01 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

JFC...Pay attention, bitches...it don't cost much

We return you now the the latest Browns thread to become all about SD and Cam Newton and the reasons the FO are a bunch of stumbling bumbling idiots who missed on Jesus Christ, The Deuce



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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:37 am

Every single mock I see has Green going to Cinci at #4, and it is hard to see anything but that happening based on their WR situation.

Besides, if the Browns take anything but the best available defensive front seven player (or Peterson) at #6, I'll be screaming bloody murder.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby jb » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:47 am

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/02/cleveland_browns_coach_pat_shu_3.html


With updates.


Heckert is really speaking like the HMFIC on the draft. Not in deference to Holmgren or anyone. His comments point to a D Lineman.



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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby jb » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:50 am

danwismar wrote:Every single mock I see has Green going to Cinci at #4, and it is hard to see anything but that happening based on their WR situation.



Especially if they want to mollify Palmer.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:59 am

jb wrote:
danwismar wrote:Every single mock I see has Green going to Cinci at #4, and it is hard to see anything but that happening based on their WR situation.



Especially if they want to mollify Palmer.


You ever hear Palmer open his mouth or bitch and complain before though? I haven't. Dude's been a good soldier if nothing else down there.

I think he's shooting straight and is out of there. If that's the case the Bengals are in the market for a QB as well and selecting Green then makes no sense w/o a QB.

Cincy is another team that can take best player available at pretty much any position and not be wrong in doing so.

Telling ya, Peterson or Green is going to be there at #6. And depending on the value the Browns can get there (if any) they'll consider moving back to a spot where J Jones or one of the DL will be available and accumulate more picks.

Again, they need a partner with picks, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them able and willing to move back if cats like Green and Gabbert are still on the board. Could make for a feeding frenzy.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby yogi » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:19 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

JFC...Pay attention, bitches...it don't cost much

We return you now the the latest Browns thread to become all about SD and Cam Newton and the reasons the FO are a bunch of stumbling bumbling idiots who missed on Jesus Christ, The Deuce


I agree that HR hitter remark def means Green is in play, but SD's thought has merit when he said that could be a RB as well, but if Hardesty is mended with Peyton, not likely.

However, Homerun Hitter can also mean Dave Kingman, and that could be a 2nd or 3rd round WR with speed that kills. Like Kingkong, he can hit that HR, but will strike out often as well. But he will stretch the field. And that threat could mean a lot to open the field up a bit.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:31 pm

yogi wrote:However, Homerun Hitter can also mean Dave Kingman, and that could be a 2nd or 3rd round WR with speed that kills. Like Kingkong, he can hit that HR, but will strike out often as well. But he will stretch the field. And that threat could mean a lot to open the field up a bit.



Still think Carlton Mitchell can be that specific guy. Much as I'm not sure we've been able to get a real look and a true understanding of MoMass and Robo because of who was throwing them the ball in Daboll's offense, I think Mitchell is in the same boat.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:50 pm

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yogi wrote:However, Homerun Hitter can also mean Dave Kingman, and that could be a 2nd or 3rd round WR with speed that kills. Like Kingkong, he can hit that HR, but will strike out often as well. But he will stretch the field. And that threat could mean a lot to open the field up a bit.



Still think Carlton Mitchell can be that specific guy. Much as I'm not sure we've been able to get a real look and a true understanding of MoMass and Robo because of who was throwing them the ball in Daboll's offense, I think Mitchell is in the same boat.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:53 pm

I quit reading SD and don't give a rats ass what he thinks but, I was pimping a trade down for Ingram months ago....

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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:56 pm

yogi wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:The words were "homerun hitter"

Not "game changer"

JFC...Pay attention, bitches...it don't cost much

We return you now the the latest Browns thread to become all about SD and Cam Newton and the reasons the FO are a bunch of stumbling bumbling idiots who missed on Jesus Christ, The Deuce


I agree that HR hitter remark def means Green is in play, but SD's thought has merit when he said that could be a RB as well, but if Hardesty is mended with Peyton, not likely.

However, Homerun Hitter can also mean Dave Kingman, and that could be a 2nd or 3rd round WR with speed that kills. Like Kingkong, he can hit that HR, but will strike out often as well. But he will stretch the field. And that threat could mean a lot to open the field up a bit.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:12 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:I quit reading SD and don't give a rats ass what he thinks but, I was pimping a trade down for Ingram months ago....

Pay attention...it don't cost much



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Well I read you for comedy relief , but if you think you've got the original Ingram trade down , then you better check one of my archive posts .

and you don't have to give a Rat's ass just read writing when its writ, .

I called for Ingram at 6 if we didn't get Newton or couldn't trade down.

Not that it will change the price of wheat in Russia or nothin.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby yogi » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:57 pm

I'm watching the Cam Newton presser on the NFL Network right now.

First impressions listening to him speak?

Not impressed.

Cannot gamble the #6 pick on him. We cannot afford as a franchise to blow this pick.

Pass.

edit to add. He also channeled his best Mark McGwire.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby pup » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:55 pm

Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby yogi » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:36 am

pup wrote:Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?


Canned answers. Because the same words and phrases were used over and over again. Sounded like when Costner schooled young Nuke LeLoosh in Bull Durham in the bus on how to handle the press.

Answers to qustions of his past were stolen directly from Mark McGwire's notebook in Congress on roid use. "I'm not here to talk about the past but rather the future...."

But mostly, it was just my first impression. Not worth 2 cents I know.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:50 am

yogi wrote:
pup wrote:Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?


Canned answers. Because the same words and phrases were used over and over again. Sounded like when Costner schooled young Nuke LeLoosh in Bull Durham in the bus on how to handle the press.

Answers to qustions of his past were stolen directly from Mark McGwire's notebook in Congress on roid use. "I'm not here to talk about the past but rather the future...."

But mostly, it was just my first impression. Not worth 2 cents I know.


SD:

Well if you didn't like that listening to Tebows canned bullspit shoulda made you suicidal.

Damned if you do damned if you don't .

If the kid answered any other way , then you'd call him an idiot for his candor when the least little thing can and will be held against ya ....kinda like what your doing now.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby pup » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:06 am

yogi wrote:
pup wrote:Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?


Canned answers. Because the same words and phrases were used over and over again. Sounded like when Costner schooled young Nuke LeLoosh in Bull Durham in the bus on how to handle the press.

Answers to qustions of his past were stolen directly from Mark McGwire's notebook in Congress on roid use. "I'm not here to talk about the past but rather the future...."

But mostly, it was just my first impression. Not worth 2 cents I know.


Your couple pennies are worth the same as everyone else's. Was just curious.

What some call canned answers, others call preparing.

You speak from the heart or head on job interviews?
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:42 pm

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-ce ... ca1a5b68b4

Browns Propaganda here.

Really pushing hard that they feel McCoy is there guy.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby yogi » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:56 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
yogi wrote:
pup wrote:Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?


Canned answers. Because the same words and phrases were used over and over again. Sounded like when Costner schooled young Nuke LeLoosh in Bull Durham in the bus on how to handle the press.

Answers to qustions of his past were stolen directly from Mark McGwire's notebook in Congress on roid use. "I'm not here to talk about the past but rather the future...."

But mostly, it was just my first impression. Not worth 2 cents I know.


SD:

Well if you didn't like that listening to Tebows canned bullspit shoulda made you suicidal.

Damned if you do damned if you don't .

If the kid answered any other way , then you'd call him an idiot for his candor when the least little thing can and will be held against ya ....kinda like what your doing now.


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Well SD, if you wanna compare Cam to Tebow go ahead. I cant cause Timmy was never a consideration for our #7 last year. Apples to Oranges.
You are trying to convince us that its a no-brainer for us to get Newton with our #6 this year.

I'm not a buyer, again, for what its worth. (not much I know)
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:30 pm

Does anyone else find it ridiculous that what Cam Newton says in the media interview portion of his combine could possibly affect his draft status?
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:43 pm

yogi wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
yogi wrote:
pup wrote:Most I read on that presser came away impressed.

What did he say that bothered you?


Canned answers. Because the same words and phrases were used over and over again. Sounded like when Costner schooled young Nuke LeLoosh in Bull Durham in the bus on how to handle the press.

Answers to qustions of his past were stolen directly from Mark McGwire's notebook in Congress on roid use. "I'm not here to talk about the past but rather the future...."

But mostly, it was just my first impression. Not worth 2 cents I know.


SD:

Well if you didn't like that listening to Tebows canned bullspit shoulda made you suicidal.

Damned if you do damned if you don't .

If the kid answered any other way , then you'd call him an idiot for his candor when the least little thing can and will be held against ya ....kinda like what your doing now.


SoulDawg


Well SD, if you wanna compare Cam to Tebow go ahead. I cant cause Timmy was never a consideration for our #7 last year. Apples to Oranges.
You are trying to convince us that its a no-brainer for us to get Newton with our #6 this year.

I'm not a buyer, again, for what its worth. (not much I know)


SD:

Didn't compare either guy , just found it curious Cam made you noxious when Tebow didn't and his spiel was pure evangelistic conversion speak .

I get you don't like Newton .

You wouldn't be the first and you won't be the last .

On another note , its interesting Mayock has Gabbert and Locker rated ahead of Newton .

Gabbert won't throw in the combine for fear the rumors about his arm being similar to Colt may get validated ,

while Locker who looks the part of Apollo can't make plays in games when it counts .

Newton gets knocked for being a one look and run QB while Jakes
penchant for being too chicken to pull the trigger gets a pass.

Each to his own my man.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:01 pm

Not going well for Cam according to many (here's one that basically sums it up):

http://bit.ly/evJFH8

How much of it is blarney is to be determined.

And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?
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Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:04 pm

peeker643 wrote:And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?


plant some pot on him, and lets see if we can get him to drop to the 6th.

would love to see him and hillis make up the backfield.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:05 pm

peeker643 wrote:Not going well for Cam according to many (here's one that basically sums it up):

http://bit.ly/evJFH8

How much of it is blarney is to be determined.

And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?



Locker and Mallet get rave reviews. Locker ran a 4.52 and Mallet's performance called "best in last ten year".

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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:35 pm

peeker643 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Not going well for Cam according to many (here's one that basically sums it up):

http://bit.ly/evJFH8

How much of it is blarney is to be determined.

And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?



Locker and Mallet get rave reviews. Locker ran a 4.52 and Mallet's performance called "best in last ten year".

Meat Market and PR Store are open for business boys !!


SD:

Wish you had access to the MFL network Peeks , so you could make some informed decisions on a number of these talented potential draftees, been watching and taping the last two days and the size and speed of the overall class is outstanding .

Wideout and RB is deep and reports of Newtons demise are grossly exaggerated .

In a one on one with Mayock Faulk and Eisen he addressed his recent comments apologized to those who found his remarks offensive although they were taken out of context and specifically addressed Mayocks contention about his criticism head on .

Saying he did what the system required him to do, move the chains ,

If he was in a Pro system he would have played to those parramaters if he was in a Bone he'd of optioned his behind off, sees himself as a game manager whose job is to get the job done.

Mayock softened his hard core stance allowed that it was a good answer and gave him points for candor.

BTW Mayock gave Jamarcus Russell his highest QB marks so part of me believes he's being extra hard on Cam because of that burn job.

and Yeah , no surprise Mallet and Locker look like world beaters in shorts
as predicted.

But compare how they played in the clutch in the big games vs Newton and
how he played when the whole World was stacked against Auburn on the field and off of it , and it ain't even close.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:37 pm

peeker643 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Not going well for Cam according to many (here's one that basically sums it up):

http://bit.ly/evJFH8

How much of it is blarney is to be determined.

And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?



Locker and Mallet get rave reviews. Locker ran a 4.52 and Mallet's performance called "best in last ten year".

Meat Market and PR Store are open for business boys !!


SD:

Wish you had access to the MFL network Peeks , so you could make some informed decisions on a number of these talented potential draftees, been watching and taping the last two days and the size and speed of the overall class is outstanding .

Wideout and RB is deep and reports of Newtons demise are grossly exaggerated .

In a one on one with Mayock Faulk and Eisen he addressed his recent comments apologized to those who found his remarks offensive although they were taken out of context and specifically addressed Mayocks contention about his criticism head on .

Saying he did what the system required him to do, move the chains ,

If he was in a Pro system he would have played to those parramaters if he was in a Bone he'd of optioned his behind off, sees himself as a game manager whose job is to get the job done.

Mayock softened his hard core stance allowed that it was a good answer and gave him points for candor.

BTW Mayock gave Jamarcus Russell his highest QB marks so part of me believes he's being extra hard on Cam because of that burn job.

and Yeah , no surprise Mallet and Locker look like world beaters in shorts
as predicted.

But compare how they played in the clutch in the big games vs Newton and
how he played when the whole World was stacked against Auburn on the field and off of it , and it ain't even close.


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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:43 pm

NFL.com has the combine available too.

I have no issue with Cam's media interview and the people blasting him for the 'Self Confidence' shit are just looking to make headlines. If your QB lacks confidence you're...well...you're the Browns in 2009.

I also don't know how much of the 'Drills' critique is for real and how much, like they mentioned in the article, is hoping it will turn off early teams and let Cam fall to the person criticizing him here. 'Anonymous' critiques should come with a warning.

Anyway, I want to hear what they say about his ability to dissect coverages, etc. If he's bright enough to impress there then he's going before the Browns pick anyway.

If that costs him a Top 5 then I'd be leery of picking him 6th too.

And you're right about Mallet and Locker. We knew Locker was athletic and that Mallet is a world beater til he faces a pass rush.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby bucknutz94 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:45 pm

peeker643 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Not going well for Cam according to many (here's one that basically sums it up):

http://bit.ly/evJFH8

How much of it is blarney is to be determined.

And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?



Locker and Mallet get rave reviews. Locker ran a 4.52 and Mallet's performance called "best in last ten year".

Meat Market and PR Store are open for business boys !!



Expected Mallet to look good here...and he did. As long as there is no pressure he'll be fine. It's when he has to move those boats he calls feet that he gets in trouble.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby bucknutz94 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:47 pm

Hate to say it but I am starting to like Newton. He seems like a good kid. Maybe he's just been coached well, but he seems genuine to me. He's charismatic as hell too.
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Re: Holmgren speaks

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:51 pm

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peeker643 wrote:And Mark Ingram ran a 4.58?


plant some pot on him, and lets see if we can get him to drop to the 6th.

would love to see him and hillis make up the backfield.


SD:

He'll be there pardner , in fact you could trade down to 10 with the skins and still net him, and maybe as gar as 17 to New England IMO.

There 17 and 28th and one of their seconds would go a long way to rebuilding this train wreck.

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