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'Melo to NY

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:34 pm

Per Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... alks010711

Guess as long as these guys have the juice to dictate where they play that they will act on it. And while I don't blame them for it I really wish it'd stop.

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Re: 'Melo to Knicks in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:39 pm

Don't you mean the Nets?
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Re: 'Melo to Knicks in Advanced Stages

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:10 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Don't you mean the Nets?


Sorry. Was reading about him playing in NJ for three months then signing with Knicks afterward.

BTW, Kegel the Elf is a dick.
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Re: 'Melo to Knicks in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:17 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Don't you mean the Nets?


Sorry. Was reading about him playing in NJ for three months then signing with Knicks afterward.

BTW, Kegel the Elf is a dick.


Something like that.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby papacass » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:05 pm

Chris Broussard reported the Cavs got in on the action with Denver and NJ. They had the framework of a trade hammered out that would have sent Troy Murphy's expiring and two first rounders to the Cavs. But the Cavs wanted Golden State's '12 first rounder that New Jersey currently owns, and the Nets aren't eager to part with that.

So it looks like this trade will happen without the Cavs' participation.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby fundamentals » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:11 pm

peeker643 wrote:Per Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... alks010711

Guess as long as these guys have the juice to dictate where they play that they will act on it. And while I don't blame them for it I really wish it'd stop.

Welcome to Cleveland Denver ;-) ;) :wink:


Denver's return will be better than Cleveland's. At least their "star" gave them notice. :dead:
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:51 pm

papacass wrote:Chris Broussard reported the Cavs got in on the action with Denver and NJ. They had the framework of a trade hammered out that would have sent Troy Murphy's expiring and two first rounders to the Cavs. But the Cavs wanted Golden State's '12 first rounder that New Jersey currently owns, and the Nets aren't eager to part with that.

So it looks like this trade will happen without the Cavs' participation.




What on the roster should have prevented that?!

I'd trade 3 JJ's for two firsts.

Curse you Phil Dunphy
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:27 pm

Denver is a mile higher than C-town given the deal details. Mello better be csreful what he's wishing for. He and Lopez aren't winning the title alone.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:48 pm

jb wrote:What on the roster should have prevented that?!


Playing Dunphy's advocate: Depends on when the two firsts are. If one of them isn't the '11 pick and the Nets actually fit some talent around Melo and Lopez, then you're looking at picks in the JJ range.

Then again, the GSW pick is lotto-protected. That really shouldn't have been much of a deal-breaker.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:53 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
jb wrote:What on the roster should have prevented that?!


Playing Dunphy's advocate: Depends on when the two firsts are. If one of them isn't the '11 pick and the Nets actually fit some talent around Melo and Lopez, then you're looking at picks in the JJ range.

Then again, the GSW pick is lotto-protected. That really shouldn't have been much of a deal-breaker.


I thought it was only protected if it's top 7.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:03 pm

motherscratcher wrote:I thought it was only protected if it's top 7.


New Jersey Nets: Receives Golden State's 2011 first-round pick (lottery protected in 2011, top 11 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013. If it is not conveyed by 2013, the Nets get second-round picks in 2013 and 2015) via Marcus Williams trade on 7/22/08.

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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:03 am

Who cares/

JJ is a tease. Eventually, we'll get nada for him I predict.

And I am only asssuming the talks were about JJ.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:07 am

jb wrote:And I am only asssuming the talks were about JJ.


Not JJ. New Jersey wanted the trade exception.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:50 am

ah, yes..within 5 years we will see a 12 team league with teams in LA, NYC, Boston, Miami, Chicago, Dallas, and Houston, and then the NBA will disapear onto MTV2 as the leadin program for lingerie football.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:08 pm

Serious question SSS....

Why you, as a 20ish year old kid, still living in the 90s and fronting about shit like 12 team league bullshit as Denver is bout to deal the most overrated player in the NBA for 55 first round picks and huge cap relief?

I mean your fake ass Lollapalooza post in the Browns forum was cute and all, but have you ever considered looking forward and doing something beyond blowing peeps on message boards that don't even respect you (WAR: 75 anti SEC posts in one night!!!!)
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:56 pm

-shrugs-

I'm at school and trying to get my degree. don't know what else to tell ya buddy.

Want to talk about respect, what of the post you made last june melting down about tree and Swerb telling you he doesn't give a shit whether you were here or not? Or CDT telling you to shut up and calling you a fag?

really the kettle calling the pot black, eh, holmes

go run along to your secret little "No homers club" and go see if anyone will take that rookie Vlade Divac Topps card off your hands.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:02 pm

Learn to burn kid.

Move past being three and reliving 1994 every single day.

I move mountains kid, you hump legs.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:08 pm

hard to do that when every team is pretty much irrelevant that I follow. ;).

I feel you in a way though, I do want to move on from the whole dwelling on the things that suck thing.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Rat_Tail » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:17 pm

Cleveland is the city where we come from so run run
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Ziner » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:00 pm

Denver sportstalk was airing Prokhorov's audio bites, listen to them if you have the chance. The guy is awesome. Kept calling him Carmela (likely not on purpose) just sounds like a serious bad ass Russian. Whether he is or not I have no idea.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby fundamentals » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:57 am

NJ owner is a sharp dude. Still think there's a team out there outside of the Nets/Knicks that will land him, at least for the rest of the season and then.....................who knows.

My question is this though: Is Carmelo Anthony an elite player? I am not saying he is or he isn't, but what would you do to acquire him or would you? :pop:
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:54 pm

I think he is a volume shooter. A hole, not a hub. IMO he is the kind of guy that chases the ring at the end of his career cuz he failed at being the guy.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:57 pm

Melo is the most overrated "super-star" in the NBA.

NJ is saving their franchise not giving up the stars and moon for him.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:11 pm

Hamilton, Billups, Anthony, Lopez, and company maybe become the third seed in the East. That's probably being generous. Hamilton is on the bench in Detroit and Billups doesn't want to leave Denver. That doesn't even address selling out your future in Favors and the draft picks, or the fact you are giving up a very servicable point guard.

No one knows what the follow the leader crowd of young NBA players will do next. You want to mortgage your future on the least likely to be a Championship Leader of that class?

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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:21 am

Orenthal wrote:I think he is a volume shooter. A hole, not a hub. IMO he is the kind of guy that chases the ring at the end of his career cuz he failed at being the guy.



A young, healthy T-Mazzle?

His wife is hot tho.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:19 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Melo is the most overrated "super-star" in the NBA.

NJ is saving their franchise not giving up the stars and moon for him.


I think we already discussed this last year, but I'll bring it up again.

http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/2010/10/19/carmelo-anthony-efficient/


To sum it up: Carmelo is inefficient because he goes 1on1 too often and takes the most contested, i.e. stupid, shots in the league. Article Bonus: Dwyane Wade is almost as inefficient as Carmelo.
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Unread postby RickNashEquilibrium » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:07 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:To sum it up: Carmelo is inefficient because he goes 1on1 too often and takes the most contested, i.e. stupid, shots in the league. Article Bonus: Dwyane Wade is almost as inefficient as Carmelo.


In the basketball blogosphere, the proper nomenclature via Basketbawful / BullsByTheHorns is the "Luol Deng Jump Shot" i.e. 19 ft leaner w/2 hands in the face.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Love child of shawn kemp » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm

20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:33 pm

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.


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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby fundamentals » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:50 pm

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.


We had something similar. We referred to those types of shots as "Otis Birdsong's" as it was always thought by our group that he had a penchant for trying shots with high degrees of difficulty.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:28 pm

That is just a horrible move when you know he is going to sign in NY anyway...
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:32 pm

Orenthal wrote:That is just a horrible move when you know he is going to sign in NY anyway...


I wouldn't say its a given depending on how the new CBA plays out.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:12 pm

^Includes a first round pick too. Just saw it flash on the ticker during the Kentucky game.

Curry is an 11 million dollar ending deal. Danilo Gallinari is a 3rd year player averaging 16ppg and 5 rebounds. Felton is at 17ppg and 9 dimes. Then there is the other unnamed starter and the first rounder.

New York receives 'Melo and Billups. Melo being the FA that according to all the noise would sign an extension to play in New York and Billups has a team option for next year.

Eh, this makes sense if it makes them a title contender this year (I don't support that IMO). Otherwise wait and sign him as an outright FA, and keep Danilo and Felton and the unamed starter and the #1.
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Unread postby StewieG » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:27 pm

The other unnamed starter pretty much has to be Chandler, doesn't it?
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Ziner » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:47 pm

Everybody here is ready to trade Melo and get it over with. If I am Denver I say screw it. Hold on to him and hope he decides to take the certainty of signing before the new CBA, also there seems to be momentum towards having a franchise designation. Their franchise is not in a position to reload. If Melo leaves they are going to have to completely rebuild anyway. Felton, Gallinari, Nene, Ty Lawson and the 20th pick in the draft aren't competing for shit.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:04 am

I think alot is how you think of felton. He's putting up a better line than he has so far. Trend or carer year? gallinari fills a stat sheet up nicely. Good player. game changer? Probably not. You can survive losing him. Losing the Curry card sucks. You work to develop those opportunities and suffer until they finally arrve.

As has been written, Mello ain't what the media makes him, but not like he sucks. At all.

One important point is whether this would cap out the Knicks, and nobody can answer that right now.

I still say it comes down to PR, and in the end Dolan can't walk away from the need to get Mello PR wise. The art of the deal is being able to walk away. I don't thinnk he will.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:37 am

jb wrote:I think alot is how you think of felton. He's putting up a better line than he has so far. Trend or carer year? gallinari fills a stat sheet up nicely. Good player. game changer? Probably not. You can survive losing him. Losing the Curry card sucks. You work to develop those opportunities and suffer until they finally arrve.

As has been written, Mello ain't what the media makes him, but not like he sucks. At all.

One important point is whether this would cap out the Knicks, and nobody can answer that right now.

I still say it comes down to PR, and in the end Dolan can't walk away from the need to get Mello PR wise. The art of the deal is being able to walk away. I don't thinnk he will.


The Knicks could certainly use another 'Defense is the time between my shots' guys. And another one without a physical presence a la LBJ. Damn that draft produced some fake tough guys as Durant might say.

Do 132-127 losses sting less? Are they more exciting to the Garden crowd?

You might be right about the Knicks mistaking 'Melo for a PR need but that team's going to need to carefully seek and find some of the parts necessary to win playoff series and titles.

Melo ain't that in and of himself. I don't think any of the players/expirings mentioned individually or collectively stop you from doing the deal, but they better assume it's just another piece of the puzzle and not the final answer.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby jb » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:40 am

peeker643 wrote:You might be right about the Knicks mistaking 'Melo for a PR need but that team's going to need to carefully seek and find some of the parts necessary to win playoff series and titles.

Melo ain't that in and of himself. I don't think any of the players/expirings mentioned individually or collectively stop you from doing the deal, but they better assume it's just another piece of the puzzle and not the final answer.



Concur. Then again, next time a D'antonio team plays D is the first.

Dantonio knows that. But Dolan doesn't. And he's left to cater to NY Fan who acts lke it is their birthright that every talented FA must go there, esp if they are from the area and went to 'Cuse.

Hell, those people thought Pearl & Starburry was for real.
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'Melo to the Nets (Cavs Involved?)

Unread postby MikeCheckGW » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:09 pm

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Re: 'Melo to the Nets (Cavs Involved?)

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:26 pm

Hey Mike- Thanks for posting. I'm gonna move this to another thread where the potential 'Melo deal is being discussed.

Do you or anyone else have an idea if that trade exception the Cavs own expires and when?
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:45 pm

I googled it, someone at RCF says 7/11/2011 so it sounds like it is good for a year.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:52 pm

The Nets would be giving Denver the Warriors' top 7-protected first rounder next year in this Melo deal. I doubt the Cavs taking on Murphy's contract(expiring this year) would be enough to make them send it here in a 3 way trade. Would adding one of the Heat first rounders be enough? That's the exact kind of pick that we should be targeting with this trade exception(probably in the #10 range), make it happen. Maybe we could take on Al Harrington and the Birdman for them instead? Both have 3-4 year deals that they probably want to get rid of.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:18 pm

Ziner wrote:I googled it, someone at RCF says 7/11/2011 so it sounds like it is good for a year.



{citation needed}

tl;dr


Sorry- wanted to bust that out once. :lmfao:
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:03 pm

Yup the TPE is good for a year and a day from the trade. This would be a good use of the TPE. Just too bad it didn't happen a month ago so we would still have been able to shop Murphy.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:11 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Ziner wrote:I googled it, someone at RCF says 7/11/2011 so it sounds like it is good for a year.



{citation needed}

tl;dr


Sorry- wanted to bust that out once. :lmfao:



You can't say that the guy didn't make an impression. People are going to still be busting out "citation needed tl;dr" a year from now.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby StewieG » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:26 pm

Melo to Knicks done, according to Yahoo's Marc Spears tweet.

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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:28 pm

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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby StewieG » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:32 pm

Y! Sports: NY: Melo, CB, Balkman, Williams, Carter; DEN: Gallo, Mosgov, Felton, Chandler, '14 NY 1st & 2 2nds; Minn: Randolph and Curry.


Minny got involved.
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Re: 'Melo to NJ in Advanced Stages

Unread postby Ziner » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:37 pm

The NBA: Where having less relevant teams than baseball happens.
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