One & Only Official Cam Newton Discussion Thread

[RickNashEquilibrium]

The Cavs lost again, and I had the pleasure of watching it 7 rows from the floor.

[motherscratcher]

I don't get it..

SD, you just Andrew Luck is the finest prospect in the draft, had he declared.

Why not just wait a year until he comes out, instead of burning a pick on Vince Young II?

I could understand that, hell, I would be in full support of drafting Luck this year, had he not declared.

The truth is we have no idea what position the Browns will be in next year. Maybe they are drafting #11 and have 5 teams ahead of them that need a QB and no good option will remain.

If you are convinced you still need a QB, and you are equally convinced that Cam might be that QB, then you have to take your shot, even if you like Luck better.

I'm not saying that's what I want or what I do. I'm just saying that's the thinking and it isn't unreasonable.

[RedDawg]

Rogers, Coleman, Barton and others released - so perhaps we are gunning for the #1 pick next year as we go 0-16 to match the Cavs record 45 straight losses.

Then the Indians trade Fausto, Grady, Choo and Santana to ensure that the Tribe goes 20-140 to complete the trifecta of having the three worst professional sports teams in history.

We will then have nowhere to go but up.

[RedDawg]

"What Color is Ben Rottenbeerger. YELLOW, he's a fucking coward.

What Color is Mark Sanchez BROWN, and possibly soon to be in an orange prison jumpsuit.

What color is Josh Freeman who I never said one word about last year . What about the year before? :D

What color is Andrew Luck who I said was the finest QB prospect in this draft class
\had he declared. If dumb was a color, he'd be it for not being the last #1 picked QB to hit the lottery.

What Color was Tim Couch when i pimped him over McNabb Akillme Smith and the Browns doing the Ditka deal.
Rose-colored, like he was through all of our glasses.

and Yeah your full of Shit and still a cocksucker and and I'm glad to meet your stoopid ass trouble making ignorant dumb ass Brother ..Just Curious."


Nah, tube steak has never been on my menu. Like the brother joke though. Witty.

Acknowledging that Ben and Luck are great QBs - even though they are white - isn't a very strong move to deny your pattern. Even Jesse Jackson and the Black Panthers would pick Luck over Cam Newton if they were both there for CAR this year.

I floated the "maybe stashing Cam Newton and trying to make him an uber-QB of the future" take weeks ago, so that idea doesn't make me cringe - but it ain't gonna happen so you are wasting your time pimping him.

Move on, and try to quit talking about QBs for a while because you really don't know jack shit about how to evaluate an NFL prospect. I don't either, but at least I'm not pretending like I do.

[SoulDawg74]

I don't get it..

SD, you just Andrew Luck is the finest prospect in the draft, had he declared.

Why not just wait a year until he comes out, instead of burning a pick on Vince Young II?

I could understand that, hell, I would be in full support of drafting Luck this year, had he not declared.

SD:

We have no chance short of an 0 fer 16 season.

Nobody is gonna return your phone calls in matters of trading for LUCK , not for all the Tea in CHina.

Your options are Newton and Gabbert this year while you have a Colt buffer,

or revisit for Barkley Pryor or some emerging star yet unknown next year.

That or lose every game Cavalier style


SoulDawg

[jta1975]

Cam giving a preview of the goods

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6109802

[pup]

Dude will be gone before we get to pass on him.

Which is a good thing, because I am going to lose my mind in 2 years when he is leading someone to the playoffs who picked him after we did not.

[SoulDawg74]

Cam giving a preview of the goods

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6109802

SD:

Yep Dilfer was all over him on sports center and in interviews , said the ball explodes off his hands .

Not only does he have the kid who worked on the Rapist during his suspension , butt Warren Moon reviews every tape and has also become a mentor .

With all this hype

Phat chance Cleveland will get him at 6 without a moveup .

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011 ... NHeadlines

Trent Dilfer, a Super Bowl-winning quarterback who's now a TV analyst, gushed about Newton's workout.

"I couldn't be more impressed. For one, I think this whole thing is genius," Dilfer said of the workout in front of the media. "People are knocking it. I think it's brilliant.

"He is a special talent," Dilfer said. "He's uniquely gifted. To be this much of a puppy, I mean, he hasn't played a lot of true quarterback in his life; to be this refined mechanically, you don't see this very often. This is the top of the top of the top. That's what you're looking at."


SoulDawg

[SoulDawg74]

"What Color is Ben Rottenbeerger. YELLOW, he's a fucking coward.

What Color is Mark Sanchez BROWN, and possibly soon to be in an orange prison jumpsuit.

What color is Josh Freeman who I never said one word about last year . What about the year before? :D

What color is Andrew Luck who I said was the finest QB prospect in this draft class
\had he declared. If dumb was a color, he'd be it for not being the last #1 picked QB to hit the lottery.

What Color was Tim Couch when i pimped him over McNabb Akillme Smith and the Browns doing the Ditka deal.
Rose-colored, like he was through all of our glasses.

and Yeah your full of Shit and still a cocksucker and and I'm glad to meet your stoopid ass trouble making ignorant dumb ass Brother ..Just Curious."


Nah, tube steak has never been on my menu. Like the brother joke though. Witty.

Acknowledging that Ben and Luck are great QBs - even though they are white - isn't a very strong move to deny your pattern. Even Jesse Jackson and the Black Panthers would pick Luck over Cam Newton if they were both there for CAR this year.

I floated the "maybe stashing Cam Newton and trying to make him an uber-QB of the future" take weeks ago, so that idea doesn't make me cringe - but it ain't gonna happen so you are wasting your time pimping him.

Move on, and try to quit talking about QBs for a while because you really don't know jack shit about how to evaluate an NFL prospect. I don't either, but at least I'm not pretending like I do.

SD:

What pattern you stoopid fuckin fool ,

the only pattern around here is the pattern of ignorance i have to fight thru from numerous small witted doodle brained
numbnutts who can't accept my ideas , because they're original and so much different than their own.

Move along yourself ,and don't be so presumptuous as to grade my abilities with your own pitiful inadequacies,that is after you take your foot out of your big stoopid mouth and apologize for trying to hang some race baitin bullshit label on me that just won't cling .

I fought JB and lbsouth and risked being banned from Pure Football promoting Rottenberger to replace Couch , which wasn't popular , But right.

Sanchez over both Anderson and Brady and never brought up Josh as he wasn't ready and I was talking immediate upgrade and impact and help for the Browns , and that kid has taken his team on back to back playoff runs as a rookie and a sophomore.

I supported the choicde of Couch over McNabb Smith and Rickey Williams , because i thought he was the best choice at the time for the Browns not because of his skin color you stoopid Fuck.

I brought up Vick because others thought he was done and said they were wrong and much more we could get him for free sans any draft picks an All pro and an immdiate upgrade over Lady Quinn and Da, and the man just made comeback player of the year displaced an All Pro in Mcnabb and made the hand picked Philly heir apparent
{Kevin Kolb } trade bait .

i pimped a 6' 2' 235 lb Big ten senior starter with the attributes of Mcnabb a local kid from my hometown Daryll Clark as a late second day prospect as worthy of our consideration during the time when Vick fucked up a $100, million dollar plus contract and there was a resultant moratorium on black QB's by the owners , so if you don't like that sue me , because i still say the kid got a raw deal as he labors away in Canada now .

butt on Newton .

I see the best athletic most gifted athlete to ever lace up a set of cleats , and we might have a chance to draft him
and make him a Cleveland Brown .

and

if he was white we wouldn't be having this conversation .

You'd be lined up in front of me pimpin his virtues like your dumb ass actually knew something ..

Stay our of my way you stinkin no class no nothing race baitin cockroach .

We ain't got a chance of getting this kid outside of a trade with Carolina .

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011 ... NHeadlines

Trent Dilfer, a Super Bowl-winning quarterback who's now a TV analyst, gushed about Newton's workout.

"I couldn't be more impressed. For one, I think this whole thing is genius," Dilfer said of the workout in front of the media. "People are knocking it. I think it's brilliant.

"He is a special talent," Dilfer said. "He's uniquely gifted. To be this much of a puppy, I mean, he hasn't played a lot of true quarterback in his life; to be this refined mechanically, you don't see this very often. This is the top of the top of the top. That's what you're looking at."



SoulDawg

[Fire Marshall Bill]

if he was white we wouldn't be having this conversation

Racist bullshit

[RedDawg]

"i pimped a 6' 2' 235 lb Big ten senior starter with the attributes of Mcnabb a local kid from my hometown Daryll Clark as a late second day prospect as worthy of our consideration during the time when Vick fucked up a $100, million dollar plus contract and there was a resultant moratorium on black QB's by the owners , so if you don't like that sue me , because i still say the kid got a raw deal as he labors away in Canada now .

butt on Newton .

I see the best athletic most gifted athlete to ever lace up a set of cleats , and we might have a chance to draft him
and make him a Cleveland Brown .

and

if he was white we wouldn't be having this conversation .

You'd be lined up in front of me pimpin his virtues like your dumb ass actually knew something ..

Stay our of my way you stinkin no class no nothing race baitin cockroach ."

I thought JaMarcus Russell was the best athlete to lace up QB cleats? Or was it Mike Vick? Actually, it might have been Duante Culpepper. Wait, Did we forget about Randall Cunningham?

It doesn't matter how good an athlete they are. It's just a nice side benefit that hinges on whether they can play the position or not. An athlete that can't play QB is well....Josh Cribbs and Randle El.

Oh yeah, Daryl Clark. He was mediocre at best at PSU, and along with his mother you are the only person in the world that thinks he's an NFL QB.

Your QB evaluation skills SUCK. If pimping a drafting of Big Ben over Couch is your big claim to fame - then you are a complete joke as a poster.

Big Ben would have SUCKED if he'd played in Cleveland. So would Mark Sanchez. Peyton Manning MIGHT have turned this franchise around if we would have started up a year earlier, but only because of his leadership abilities and NOT just his sheer talent. Tom Brady would have broken in half after 3 years and toiled in obscurity on another team for another two until he left the NFL.

It's true that you can't win championships and usually can't even make the playoffs without a good QB, but it's even truer that you can't even be mediocre if there is no stability in the program and no talent around the QB.

You just don't get it, and waste all of our time with your obsession about the QB position.

The fact that about 50% of the QBs you talk about are black is WAY above the average. All your insults and profanities aren't going to change that fact, so if you don't want to hear the truth then cut that shit out.

You are a microcosm of ignorant NFL fans that always want to bench the starting QB and put the backup in when you have no concept of why he threw three interceptions. Also, you don't have to be able to throw a 70 yard rope to lead your team to a Super Bowl.

Do you really have to infect TWO different websites with your ignorance? Jesus H. Christ, that's one of the reasons I came here was to try to find a forum where people just BS'ed about football instead of trying to flame everyone that disagreed with them.

Put the remote down and stop trying to act like a QB guru, and pick up your orange and brown pom-poms and do what you do best. You are much better as Uncle Soul than this angry old man who loses his cool everytime someone calls him out on something.

[SoulDawg74]

"i pimped a 6' 2' 235 lb Big ten senior starter with the attributes of Mcnabb a local kid from my hometown Daryll Clark as a late second day prospect as worthy of our consideration during the time when Vick fucked up a $100, million dollar plus contract and there was a resultant moratorium on black QB's by the owners , so if you don't like that sue me , because i still say the kid got a raw deal as he labors away in Canada now .

butt on Newton .

I see the best athletic most gifted athlete to ever lace up a set of cleats , and we might have a chance to draft him
and make him a Cleveland Brown .

and

if he was white we wouldn't be having this conversation .

You'd be lined up in front of me pimpin his virtues like your dumb ass actually knew something ..

Stay our of my way you stinkin no class no nothing race baitin cockroach ."

I thought JaMarcus Russell was the best athlete to lace up QB cleats? Or was it Mike Vick? Actually, it might have been Duante Culpepper. Wait, Did we forget about Randall Cunningham?

It doesn't matter how good an athlete they are. It's just a nice side benefit that hinges on whether they can play the position or not. An athlete that can't play QB is well....Josh Cribbs and Randle El.

Oh yeah, Daryl Clark. He was mediocre at best at PSU, and along with his mother you are the only person in the world that thinks he's an NFL QB.

Your QB evaluation skills SUCK. If pimping a drafting of Big Ben over Couch is your big claim to fame - then you are a complete joke as a poster.

Big Ben would have SUCKED if he'd played in Cleveland. So would Mark Sanchez. Peyton Manning MIGHT have turned this franchise around if we would have started up a year earlier, but only because of his leadership abilities and NOT just his sheer talent. Tom Brady would have broken in half after 3 years and toiled in obscurity on another team for another two until he left the NFL.

It's true that you can't win championships and usually can't even make the playoffs without a good QB, but it's even truer that you can't even be mediocre if there is no stability in the program and no talent around the QB.

You just don't get it, and waste all of our time with your obsession about the QB position.

The fact that about 50% of the QBs you talk about are black is WAY above the average. All your insults and profanities aren't going to change that fact, so if you don't want to hear the truth then cut that shit out.

You are a microcosm of ignorant NFL fans that always want to bench the starting QB and put the backup in when you have no concept of why he threw three interceptions. Also, you don't have to be able to throw a 70 yard rope to lead your team to a Super Bowl.

Do you really have to infect TWO different websites with your ignorance? Jesus H. Christ, that's one of the reasons I came here was to try to find a forum where people just BS'ed about football instead of trying to flame everyone that disagreed with them.

Put the remote down and stop trying to act like a QB guru, and pick up your orange and brown pom-poms and do what you do best. You are much better as Uncle Soul than this angry old man who loses his cool everytime someone calls him out on something.

SD:

Apologize for the racial bullshit crack , or go fuck your self because we got nothing else to talk about and I'll destroy your stupid ass and make you just as chicken to run your fat yap here as in Pure football , where your too ashamed to show up after Reents eviserrated your fake sorry ass and i made you my lil bitch whinning to the mods about every little thang.


SoulDawg

[motherscratcher]

*you're

[e0y2e3]

Called it.

[motherscratcher]

Called it.

Yes you did.

[SoulDawg74]

Called it.

Yes you did.

SD:

Not to mentioned planned it and instigated it with a little help from his gullible friends.

Red has an axe to grind , he made unsupported allegations where I showed my interests are for the best players to be Browns in clear examples

One of the best players in this draft is a Black QB , who red originally supported , but like most limp dick pussies backed off of yo see how the tide of public opinion runs.

JB wrote as many posts in support of the man as mayself , but is he called prejudiced for supporting him along with Vince Young who I don't support as a Brown.

Hell he's supporting more Black QB's be brought to the Browns than me , which shows you how stoopid and ridiculous his false allegations are.

I see but one Color for players and thats the mixture of seal and brown .

Yet some busta can come in here and make unsubstantiated allegations and its all right ,

Along with Eyesore playing out his childhood fantasies to get even for being exposed
along with his moderator butt buddy didgit for allowing race baitin and supporting and encouraging bigotted posts and posters , and getting spanked by management when the shit hit the fan.

Your just too easy .................................

Wait I want to talk to you about some real estate in Florida , its all dry land .

Trust me you don't have to check it.




SoulDawg

[motherscratcher]

*you're

[SoulDawg74]

Dude will be gone before we get to pass on him.

Which is a good thing, because I am going to lose my mind in 2 years when he is leading someone to the playoffs who picked him after we did not.

SD:

You and me both

[trsteve1]

Still not sold on Newton..
If only because he played 1 season in college (and I would be saying this if his skin were purple, blue, white or whatever pigment).. there just seems to be a strong correlation between how many snaps a QB takes in College and how much success they have in the pros.. look at ALL of the QBs who are succeeding in the NFL.. ALL of them were at LEAST 2 year starters, and most were 3-4 year starters..
Yes, this is an arbitrary requirement/rationale.. but like I said, I would have applied it to a white QB all the same.. I think it's part of the reason that Sanchez hasn't truly ascended or really even improved in his first 2 years in "the league" (stats for first 2 years for Sanchez, 53.8%/54.8% completion, 12/20, 17/13 TD/INT ratio, 63.0/75.3 rat) He is fundamentally behind in his development, and developing at the pro level is a disadvantage to being able to develop at the collegiate level where the stakes aren't quite as big, and the competition isn't even close to as rigorous.

[peeker643]

We done with the race stuff?

Look, I started out by saying the dude looked way too much in need of mechanical help and had no clue how to read an NFL defense. I still stand by both though it appears the first part he's working hard on.

I hate the combines because dudes emerge that are physically gifted but can't actually play football and scouts fall all over themselves creating reasons why a mediocre college player will suddenly be more than that in the NFL.

But if Cam aces the psych and the skull sessions then I'll be the first guy to line up with SD and root for the kid to be in, as SD, the one color that matters. I don't give a fuck what color Cam Newton or Peyton Hillis or Ben Watson or Evan Moore are.

Players. And if this management team decides Newton's worth #6 then, like I said, I'm all for it if he's there.

Never been an argument about getting a potential game changing QB. It's always only been a question of whether Cam was that guy.

Now, let's move on and keep it to just that.

Thanks.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

We done with the race stuff?

Look, I started out by saying the dude looked way too much in need of mechanical help and had no clue how to read an NFL defense. I still stand by both though it appears the first part he's working hard on.

I hate the combines because dudes emerge that are physically gifted but can't actually play football and scouts fall all over themselves creating reasons why a mediocre college player will suddenly be more than that in the NFL.

But if Cam aces the psych and the skull sessions then I'll be the first guy to line up with SD and root for the kid to be in, as SD, the one color that matters. I don't give a fuck what color Cam Newton or Peyton Hillis or Ben Watson or Evan Moore are.

Players. And if this management team decides Newton's worth #6 then, like I said, I'm all for it if he's there.

Never been an argument about getting a potential game changing QB. It's always only been a question of whether Cam was that guy.

Now, let's move on and keep it to just that.

Thanks.

Shut up, Brad, you fool!


The combine the most important thing ever, maybe more important than the game it's self. You're telling me it's not important to you how fast a guy can run padless in straight line, jump high and touch little plastic things, or run around parking cones and pretend someone is chasing them?

Amazing. Call me when you get a clue.

[RedDawg]

"and I'll destroy your stupid ass and make you just as chicken to run your fat yap here as in Pure football , where your too ashamed to show up after Reents eviserrated your fake sorry ass and i made you my lil bitch whinning to the mods about every little thang."


Hilarious. I left the other site and Pure Football because posters like you turned it into a junior high schoolyard where no meaningful discussion could ever happen. You single-handedly turned what was a great concept into crap.

I'm proud to have threaded with a lot of good posters like Reents, and have no problem admitting he usually got the best of me. He's a smart guy who uses logic to prove his point instead of childish threats and schoolyard bully tactics. You really ought to try it sometime.

So...game on. I'll enjoy shredding your crap takes in a mature way while you foam at the mouth and flex your internet muscles or grow the fuck up and quit acting like a teenage girl.

Your choice.

[RedDawg]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

[trsteve1]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

[pup]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

Why are we stashing anything? If he is the pick at 6, play his ass? If he isn't better than Colt today, then don't pick him. He is by the way, but I am not going to convince anyone of that, so I am no longer going to try.

[RedDawg]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

I'm not so sure that Cam Newton gets a sniff in the top ten this year, and wouldn't be surprised at all if he drops down into late teens to early twenties. Teams may feel more comfortable with Gabbert or Mallet, or just not feel comfortable about Newton.

A team with a solid vet QB that is nothing special picking in the mid teens is the perfect opportunity to take a shot on Newton. As there is greater value at the 6th spot, especially for a team with so many gaping holes like us, the risk of what Newton MIGHT do just isn't worth it in my opinion.

Switching to the 4-3 removed any consideration of Newton at the 6 spot. Now if we kept Ryan and the base 3-4, getting some upgrades in FA this off-season - then Newton becomes a viable possibility.

[SpaceShuttleDoorGunner]

CAM NEWTON SCOUTING REPORT:

# Strengths: Elite mobility for his size
# Strong arm
# Relatively accurate
# Hard to bring down
# Leadership



Weaknesses:
# Maturity and character concerns
# Only one season of major college experience
# Relies too much on athleticism over fundamentals
# Poor throwing mechanics
# Hardly any experience under center
# Mostly makes only one or two reads

A QB ALREADY ON THE BROWNS ROSTER (aka Holmgrens new project) SCOUTING REPORT:

# Strengths: Good height and outstanding bulk
# Highly athletic with great speed
# Throws a smooth ball - tight spiral
# More accurate than you'd think
# Great arm strength - throws with outstanding velocity
# Puts nice touch on the ball when he has to
# Comfortable throwing on the run
# Very elusive in the pocket
# Impressive physical skill set



Weaknesses:
# Release could be more compact - slight windup but nothing overly detrimental
# Very shaky footwork
# Lacks experience - one-year starter
# Can't read coverage
# Comes from zone-read spread offense
# Inconsistent decision-maker
# Lacks an understanding and maturity of the passing game
# Raw prospect and needs a couple years of development

Seriously. Theres no chance in hell we take Newton. Why the hell would a smart GM "waste" a #6 on practically the same type of player that we already have on the roster? Is Newton's upside, if there is any, over Jarrett Brown's really worth the pick? Have a look at his highlights and tell me some of those throws dont make your jaws drop. Just take a look at the throw the kid makes @ 1:20 in the video.



Im not pimping a QB based on one throw in one video, just so you know, but im pretty sure Brown can make all the throws Newton can make. His throws are a thing of aesthetic nature that I havent seen in a long time.

I swear to god the guy just seems so much more sovereign under center than Newton does. His upside is the same as Newtons with a miniscule difference in running ability (Newton does seem to have a slightly better burst), but if that small difference in speed make the chicken that much fatter, wed be starting Cribbs at QB. Hes much more accurate on short and medium routes (of which significance to the WCO I dont need to explain) than Newton, BECAUSE HE DOESNT SIDEARM OR SLING IT LIKE NEWTON IS KNOWN TO DO (under pressure). Newtons best throws come on deep throws, which the WCO wont be featuring all to often.

My conclusion of this situation is that Holmgren already has the same player type, and he got him for free. So why "waste" the pick if there are so many more important holes to fill? In a rational world it just doesnt make sense. Plus we have Colt. 'Nough said. Also, dont be suprised when Brown improves under Holmgren to the point where he challenges Colt (or the then starting QB) in two or three years. This just my view. Im not preaching this as the gospel and ultimate revalation.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

Why are we stashing anything? If he is the pick at 6, play his ass? If he isn't better than Colt today, then don't pick him. He is by the way, I am not going to convince anyone of that, so I am no longer going to try.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!

..cus all you do is argue for arguments sake as if you're some kind of expert talent evaluator and your repsonse to that post is totally out of whack with what he suggested

[pup]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

Why are we stashing anything? If he is the pick at 6, play his ass? If he isn't better than Colt today, then don't pick him. He is by the way, I am not going to convince anyone of that, so I am no longer going to try.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!

..cus all you do is argue for arguments sake as if you're some kind of expert talent evaluator and your repsonse to that post is totally out of whack with what he suggested

I am not even close to acting like an expert on anything. I am simply providing an opinion, just like everyone else on these boards.

It is my opinion that Cam Newton is a better QB than Colt McCoy. Hardly am I alone in that thought.

Does he need work? Yes. Fortunately for him, the things that he needs to improve on are actually things that can be worked on.

Colt is never going to have the arm strength to throw the deep ball. And not sure he will ever have the "edge" that allows him to try to throw the football into tight spots when there is an easier, safer throw that can be made (sound like anyone else you know?)

[SoulDawg74]

"and I'll destroy your stupid ass and make you just as chicken to run your fat yap here as in Pure football , where your too ashamed to show up after Reents eviserrated your fake sorry ass and i made you my lil bitch whinning to the mods about every little thang."


Hilarious. I left the other site and Pure Football because posters like you turned it into a junior high schoolyard where no meaningful discussion could ever happen. You single-handedly turned what was a great concept into crap.

I'm proud to have threaded with a lot of good posters like Reents, and have no problem admitting he usually got the best of me. He's a smart guy who uses logic to prove his point instead of childish threats and schoolyard bully tactics. You really ought to try it sometime.

So...game on. I'll enjoy shredding your crap takes in a mature way while you foam at the mouth and flex your internet muscles or grow the fuck up and quit acting like a teenage girl.

Your choice.

SD:

The choice is no longer in my hands , your answer in falsetto seals my actions.

You had your chance to come correct and we could have moved on .

I don't suffer fools lightly ,especially lieing cunt bitches who try and sully my reputation then make light of their henious behavior with false bravado.

I was there when Reents sent you slinking to the showers beaten like the mangy cowardly cur you really are unable to even play internet tough guy you fancy about yourself , because your limited abilities expose your stupidity and fragile psych.

So don't pretend now , you two were friends then , any more than you are now ,while pissin in your panties hoping you won't be found out or even more foolishly hoping against all hope that I would let your punk ass slide for attempting to back stab me and slander my reputation .

You damn fool ,what were you thinking.

BTW , Reents has your bloody panties hanging on a fence post over in Pure ,
when you grow a pair lets see if you can take em down.

Making my call now it ain't gonna happen , because your a sheep , who foolishly followed the lead of a defrocked jackass like eyesore who thought he could land a sucker punch then run back to the police and file an assault charge .

You had your chance to avoid the maelstrom you now know is coming .

Butt like all stupid bitches you'd rather have regrets .

All too easy.


SoulDawg

[peeker643]

Gentlemen,

Take it to PMs, emails or the streets, I don't care. You each had your say in the matter.

From a thread standpoint it's over.

If from a personal standpoint it ain't then see line number one above please.

Not only are we now airing dirty laundry but we're literally talking about.

Red asked his question, SD adequately answered it.

Over from a board standpoint.

Move it offline please.

Thank you.

[leadpipe]

To get back on topic, I wish we were in a position that we could afford to take a talented stud like Cam Newton - stash him for a year or two - and see if he can continue to revolutionize the NFL with his sick upside.

But we aren't, and I'd take one Dareus, Bowers or Fairley for two Cam Newton's if I had the option.

Colt McCoy is going to be the starting QB in 2011 and probably 2012, so get back to reality and deal with it.

If we were in a position to stash a guy like Newton, we wouldn't be picking 6th and thus, probably not in a position to pick Newton (unless we had an injury plagued season where all of our talent got injured, but have little of that [talent])

Why are we stashing anything? If he is the pick at 6, play his ass? If he isn't better than Colt today, then don't pick him. He is by the way, I am not going to convince anyone of that, so I am no longer going to try.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!

..cus all you do is argue for arguments sake as if you're some kind of expert talent evaluator and your repsonse to that post is totally out of whack with what he suggested

I am not even close to acting like an expert on anything. I am simply providing an opinion, just like everyone else on these boards.

It is my opinion that Cam Newton is a better QB than Colt McCoy. Hardly am I alone in that thought.

Does he need work? Yes. Fortunately for him, the things that he needs to improve on are actually things that can be worked on.

Colt is never going to have the arm strength to throw the deep ball. And not sure he will ever have the "edge" that allows him to try to throw the football into tight spots when there is an easier, safer throw that can be made (sound like anyone else you know?)

Pup, are you insinuating McCoy has that similarity to Quinn in the last paragraph?

For one, I'm not so sure McCoy DOESN'T have the arm strength to drive out patterns etc., but that argument aside, there is one thing McCoy has, it's a key component for a young QB, and it's why I'm still interested.


It was a bigger problem for Quinn than his arm strength, and even a horse with a big arm that doesn't have this - take Chad Henne, for example, is going to have issues without it.

That is, the ability to throw guys open, and more importantly, the BALLS (and confidence) to throw to a guy that isn't obviously wide open at said time. Quinn was king of the checkdown last year, and Henne this year - and a thousand other QB's didn't make it because of this. Especially in modern football, if you're waitin' for a guy to be open by five yards before you pull that trigger, you're done.

I understand McCoy's limitations, and I'm not a Newton guy (especially at 6), but in general, this deficiency is pretty abundant, and extremely relevant in today's young QB's.

So, a guy, I feel, while not having a cannon, has the necessary arm strength to make key throws, AND has this ability is why I'm still on board.

[pup]

Yes Lead.

Obviously without having coaching tape it is hard to be positive about it at this point, but do not remember seeing a whole lot of "trying to squeeze it in there" from young Mr. McCoy.

I remember seeing mostly safe, under throws even in spots that taking chances was the right call. Maybe there was absolutely no window. Like I said, I cannot be positive.

It is a different skill than being in the huddle and in charge. I like him from that standpoint. But when a majority of your background (@ UT) is zones being cleared and hitting the next guy through, then in your first year as a starter in the NFL you are not looking to stretch the field, it is a concern I have.

[leadpipe]

Yes Lead.

Obviously without having coaching tape it is hard to be positive about it at this point, but do not remember seeing a whole lot of "trying to squeeze it in there" from young Mr. McCoy.

I remember seeing mostly safe, under throws even in spots that taking chances was the right call. Maybe there was absolutely no window. Like I said, I cannot be positive.

It is a different skill than being in the huddle and in charge. I like him from that standpoint. But when a majority of your background (@ UT) is zones being cleared and hitting the next guy through, then in your first year as a starter in the NFL you are not looking to stretch the field, it is a concern I have.

I suppose I thought I saw a little more of him throwing it in pretty tough spots than you. Perhaps watching Brady the previous year knocked my ratios off.

In any event, I'm not sure his arm is rag, and I saw enough, especially with the humps he had runnin' routes and catchin balls, that I'm interested in seeing what he can do.

By the way, I think I'll see enough either way, cause Cam is a couple year project anyway - even if he's as good as advertised.

[SoulDawg74]

Yes Lead.

Obviously without having coaching tape it is hard to be positive about it at this point, but do not remember seeing a whole lot of "trying to squeeze it in there" from young Mr. McCoy.

I remember seeing mostly safe, under throws even in spots that taking chances was the right call. Maybe there was absolutely no window. Like I said, I cannot be positive.

It is a different skill than being in the huddle and in charge. I like him from that standpoint. But when a majority of your background (@ UT) is zones being cleared and hitting the next guy through, then in your first year as a starter in the NFL you are not looking to stretch the field, it is a concern I have.

I suppose I thought I saw a little more of him throwing it in pretty tough spots than you. Perhaps watching Brady the previous year knocked my ratios off.

In any event, I'm not sure his arm is rag, and I saw enough, especially with the humps he had runnin' routes and catchin balls, that I'm interested in seeing what he can do.

By the way, I think I'll see enough either way, cause Cam is a couple year project anyway - even if he's as good as advertised.

SD:

I'm not pup , but heres my take on your question.

He's got Warren Moon fine tuning his every pass like butch Harmon critiques the finest PRo Golfers .

As with moon there aren't to many QB's in the history of the league who threw a finer ball, with the emphasis on his footwork and throwing on balance as well as working under center from his other coach he's turning into the complete package , instead of just winging it and throwing off his back foot because in College he was strong enough to get away with it with the combination of footwork and refined effort the ball l is now sizzling on the way to its targets with tight spirals from and explosive release.

I see him easily starting Somewhere in the middle of his first year , like when McNabb got weaned and progressed to starter , if not sooner if forced to play .

With Shurmur and what he did with Bradford , its not out of the question he starts in September if they don't blow all the OTA's and training camp.



SoulDawg

[pup]

Yes Lead.

Obviously without having coaching tape it is hard to be positive about it at this point, but do not remember seeing a whole lot of "trying to squeeze it in there" from young Mr. McCoy.

I remember seeing mostly safe, under throws even in spots that taking chances was the right call. Maybe there was absolutely no window. Like I said, I cannot be positive.

It is a different skill than being in the huddle and in charge. I like him from that standpoint. But when a majority of your background (@ UT) is zones being cleared and hitting the next guy through, then in your first year as a starter in the NFL you are not looking to stretch the field, it is a concern I have.

I suppose I thought I saw a little more of him throwing it in pretty tough spots than you. Perhaps watching Brady the previous year knocked my ratios off.

In any event, I'm not sure his arm is rag, and I saw enough, especially with the humps he had runnin' routes and catchin balls, that I'm interested in seeing what he can do.

By the way, I think I'll see enough either way, cause Cam is a couple year project anyway - even if he's as good as advertised.

I am probably also in the minority that thinks the humps running the routes are better than the hump throwing it to them

[SoulDawg74]

I don't get it..

SD, you just Andrew Luck is the finest prospect in the draft, had he declared.

Why not just wait a year until he comes out, instead of burning a pick on Vince Young II?

I could understand that, hell, I would be in full support of drafting Luck this year, had he not declared.

The truth is we have no idea what position the Browns will be in next year. Maybe they are drafting #11 and have 5 teams ahead of them that need a QB and no good option will remain.

If you are convinced you still need a QB, and you are equally convinced that Cam might be that QB, then you have to take your shot, even if you like Luck better.

I'm not saying that's what I want or what I do. I'm just saying that's the thinking and it isn't unreasonable.

SD:

Who are you and what happenned to Mutha ,

Seriously tell the truth , your kids wrote that didn't they,

It was well thought out articulate and correct and so unlike you :)


SoulDawg