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by danwismar » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:03 pm
by gotribe31 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:59 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:12 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:32 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:I swear to christ (and I fear this may happen) if Gilbert drafts him in the top five as a PR stunt I'm flying to Ohio and beating up that angry midget (Gilbert, not Sullinger) myself.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:38 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:41 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Kyrie.Perry Jones is the untapped talented mystery (similar to Favors last year, not in game but rawness).Kanter is a beast that clearly outplayed Sullinger last year at the Nike Hoops Summit (Sullinger didn't play bad, Kanter was just that good).Pretty much if you get the one pick right now it's Kyrie or die. Beyond that things aren't clear but I'd personally rather take a raw guy with insane upside than a guy who is going to be for sure okay to very good but has no star potential (Sullinger).It's a top five pick in the NBA draft and the Cavs are in no position to add solid.Kyrie. Kyrie. Kyrie.
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:46 pm
by jclvd_23 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:57 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:12 pm
by pup » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:17 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:32 pm
by StewieG » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:30 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:35 pm
by jerryroche » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:35 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:39 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:42 pm
Not big enough to do battle down low for a living IMHO,
by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:14 pm
StewieG wrote:I heard Sullinger compared to Boozer the other day, assuming Sullinger shows he has a respectable mid-range game and no vagina
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:35 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:41 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Not big enough to do battle down low for a living IMHO,Yes he is.I've seen him live half a dozen times. He can bang with just about anyone.
by FUDU » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:00 pm
by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:25 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Kyrie - did you watch him at Duke? I watched three of his seven games just to see what he really was and he is a legit, legit, legit PG prospect.He was hyped coming in and exceeded that hype by far. Could he fall off? Sure, but I doubt it and look at this draft....
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:09 am
by motherscratcher » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:58 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Didn't Wall start out fairly slow at UK last year?Oh and as has been pointed out elsewhere, Kyrie is a much more prototypical point than those two.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:02 pm
by motherscratcher » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:28 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Obviously not Paul but similar style. I mean, Paul is Paul.http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyrie-Irving-5735/ Last profile was written early in the season just before the injury.Oh and how dare you only list white PGs! Racist!
by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:34 pm
motherscratcher wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:Obviously not Paul but similar style. I mean, Paul is Paul.Also, I just now used google images to find out if Kyrie is white or black. I didn't know for sure.
e0y2e3 wrote:Obviously not Paul but similar style. I mean, Paul is Paul.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:37 pm
by peeker643 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:42 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:....simply uber-athlete that happen to be PG.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:45 pm
April 16, 2005StrengthsDynamic, Explosive, Electric, Dominantonly a few of the words used to describe Chris Paul's game. Paul is one of the better all-around PG prospects to come along in the past decade, and there isn't much about his game that isn't a strength.The first thing you notice about Paul is his explosiveness with the ball. There really isn't anybody that can stop him from getting to the basket, with his dynamite first step and ability to get the ball above the rim before shot blockers can alter it.Furthering this strength is Paul's ability to recognize offensive opportunities and exploit them. He understands how to get by defenders on the break, and is relentless at pushing the ball and getting to the basket. If he sees a potential help defender slacking, he will be at the rim before that defender realizes what is happening. Paul is a master of things like splitting defenders, and changing pace to gain that miniscule opening he needs.While he certainly has the open court speed of a TJ Ford, Dee Brown, or Raymond Felton, none of those point guards break down the defense off the dribble and consistently get to the basket as effectively as Chris Paul.As a floor general, Paul might not quite have the creativity of the truly great pass-first point guards, but he runs an offense effectively and is very efficient with the ball. Paul has incredibly quick hands, as his nearly 2.5/1 assist-to-turnover ratio would indicate. At Wake Forest, Paul ran an offense full of players that needed consistent shots, and always shared the ball quite nicely. He understands tempo, distributes the ball in an intelligent fashion, and always finds the open man.Some might question why a player of Paul's obvious talents only averaged 15 points per game, and was so inconsistent as a scorer on a night-by-night basis. Rest assured that this is only because of Paul's role as a distributor, and the fact that he played on a team with numerous other capable scorers.In addition to his ability to break down defenses off the dribble, Paul has developed into a great outside shooter, hitting 47% of his 3-pointers this season. He can score in a variety of ways, whether it set shots from the outside or acrobatic, floating drives from the mid-range.Paul has developed a reputation as a clutch player, and always steps up against big competition. He scored 50 points in two games against Duke this season, and had 27 against UNC and Raymond Felton early in the ACC slate. Paul seems to understand when his team needs a big scoring performance, or even simply a big basket. He will always step up his scoring output in these situations.While his team ended up losing, Paul's performance down the stretch against West Virginia in the second round of the NCAA tourney typifies the kind of player that he is. While the Mountaineers kept finding ways to hit big shots, Paul nearly single-handedly matched them, basket for basket, before he fouled out.Finally, Paul is the consummate competitor on the floor. While this desire to win sometimes causes him to take things too far, he leaves it all out on the court every time, and oftentimes simply wills his team to a victory.It's hard not to get excited about a player that is so complete in doing what he can to get a win.WeaknessesPaul is a remarkably well-rounded point guard and prospect, but there are a few negatives to mention.With his quick hands and dominant lateral quickness, you would expect Paul to be a dominant defender. However, he is mediocre at best in this area. While he ends up with a lot of steals, he isn't always an aggressive defender, and doesn't eat up opposing ball handlers the way that he should.Wake Forest was a very poor defensive team this season, and it showed up in the tournament. While some of that falls on Skip Prosser's system and a few of Paul's teammates, Paul's inability to lock up primary ball handlers (go back to that West Virginia game again), is a place to start when discussing the Demon Deacons' defensive woes.At a generous 6'0, Paul is a bit undersized as a point in the NBA. While his explosiveness more than makes up for it, Paul may have to adjust some of the things he does as far as attacking the basket. He may have trouble guarding some of the bigger point guards in the league as well.Finally, while it's hard to call a player too competitive, it seems like Paul may have become just that during the ACC slate this past season. He developed a reputation as a guy who is willing to throw a cheap shot, even before the incident in the last game of the regular season where he punched Juilus Hodge below the belt.Furthermore, there were some late season rumors of locker room unrest at Wake Forest. This is something that NBA teams will probably look into, though it's hard to see a team passing on Paul because of personality issues. He is too dynamic a presence on the floor.OutlookPaul is generally considered the number one point guard in the 2005 draft, and it isn't too hard to see why. There really isn't anything he doesn't do well, and his ability to break people down off the dribble is nothing short of spectacular. Unless something drastic happens, he's a top selection on draft night - probably top 3.From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chr ... z1DZiuaIqUhttp://www.draftexpress.com
by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:28 pm
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by statmasta » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:36 pm
peeker643 wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:I swear to christ (and I fear this may happen) if Gilbert drafts him in the top five as a PR stunt I'm flying to Ohio and beating up that angry midget (Gilbert, not Sullinger) myself.I'll say this about the kid, and it no way has anything to do with what you're saying e0y because I agree a Top 5 may be too high given his size, but that kid has more game than Matta's offense allows him to display. I've been impressed with his shot when he takes it as well as his vision in the passing game. He's more than a college low post beast.Not big enough to do battle down low for a living IMHO, but he's going to be a nice player for someone if he continues to develop. And if he's not done growing......But the Cavs need a difference maker/game changer and I'm not sure he's that.Is there one coming out at any position?
by pup » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:00 am
by papacass » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:56 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Jones is a wildcard. Mad skills but the combo-forward thing may be of concern. Could see him going anywhere from 4-10.Knight mid first to early second. So-so D, turnovers, decision making all hurt. Also isn't a great finisher. Ridiculously talented though and could end up being a huge value pick.
by Rat_Tail » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:44 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:21 am
by Ziner » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:24 am
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:29 am
by Larvell Blanks » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:43 am
Ziner wrote:These avatars really mess with me, with the takes of such similar quality I can never tell who is e0y and who is rat tail. e0y do me a favor and just switch that avatar over to Tyreke Evans or Jared Sullinger or something.
by papacass » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:42 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:And Cass just explained how you end up with Marvin Williams instead of Chris Paul.Ridiculous upside is nice but you need upside and quality with the #1 pick in the draft.And I fully agree the Cavs have possibly the worst front court ever assembled at the moment.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:45 am
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