Cleveland Browns & The NFL

by **SoulDawg74** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:53 pm

Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts who keep bustin out your Sanchez smack and how the Browns don't need a QB.

We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

When you stoopid bitches gonna recognize .

and an extra Fuck you to the mutha nut scratcher , you twin faced slut.

SoulDawg

SoulDawg

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:02 pm

All other arguements aside, you have to give him credit.

by **FUDU** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:13 pm

I call for a quote of every comment you claim other posters make in regards to anything you speak of from now on Souldawg, until then I suggest you get your ass back on the couch and get busy on your Matlock DVD collection, or go back to yelling at clouds you delusional old clown.

by **yogi** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:27 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts who keep bustin out your Sanchez smack and how the Browns don't need a QB.

We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

When you stoopid bitches gonna recognize .

and an extra Fuck you to the mutha nut scratcher , you twin faced slut.

SoulDawg

SoulDawg

I dont recall your hard on for Rodgers. I do for Sanchize and the rapist.

BTW, we did get a box of crayons for Maylon and some pad paper for KW2, might have been nice targets for Colt. But they are both with winners now...

Also, not to detract from what Sanchize has done cause it is the playoffs and he is doing well, but I'd love to see how McCoy would fare handing off to Hillis, throwing to Watson, Maylon and Holmes. He might do ok too.

by **Triple-S** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:32 pm

I am so fucking sick of the every fucking thread being about QB's.

Who gives a shit about sanchez? HE'S NOT THE REASON THE JETS HAVE WON THESE GAMES, THE DEFENSE HAS.

did you see Brady making plays like mad against Cromartie and Revis? Dude was shut out all game because of it, and then from there it became a game of stopping the run, and with the sort of Defense the Jets have, that becomes so damn easy. How about Manning?

I don't give a shit about QB, lets draft a damn WR in the first reason and call it a night.

fuck Mark Sanchez and his fanbois.

by **motherscratcher** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:52 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts who keep bustin out your Sanchez smack and how the Browns don't need a QB.

We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

When you stoopid bitches gonna recognize .

and an extra Fuck you to the mutha nut scratcher , you twin faced slut.

SoulDawg

SoulDawg

Nice. I'm going to miss the hell out of you when you go back into hibernation over the summer. Seriously.

Dirty Sanchez had a nice game yesterday. Have to give him credit. I'm still not convinced that he doesn't choke on a bag-o-dicks if he gets thrown into the Brown's and Daboll's terrifying offense.

Yeah, the Browns passed ono a lot of good players. A lot of teams did. We would obviously be in a better place with POS and Clay Jr than BE and a center (as much as I do like Mack).

But that still doesn't make me believe that Cam Newton is the answer and Colt isn't. I don't know. I really don't. But I'd still rather take my chances, at least next year, with Colt, and jump on the yearly "Once In A Generation" QB or Luck next year if Colt shits the bed.

BTW, You don't fool me dude. I know you love me.

by **Ziner** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:53 pm

I am still amazed how Sanchez continues to win these games 1 vs. 22

by **Fire Marshall Bill** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:01 pm

McCoy has everything Sanchez has including better accuracy

I have to admit that after seeing the Jets win yesterday with Sanchez at QB I'm more excited than ever about getting McCoy someone to throw to and save his ass like Holmes did yesterday for the Chize

I give you credit SD, you're the best monday morning QB/second guesser I've ever seen or heard

by **Triple-S** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:06 pm

I keep saying it, the Browns missed their chance by not drafting CDT. Hometown guy, has an extensive knowledge of pizza, has all the physical skills to make it.

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:10 pm

Sanchez was more than just the lucky guy getting the ball hiked to him.

It's no secret that I was rooting for the Jet's but it was more than the Jet's D that won it for them. Grant it, it played a major role. Cindy had all day to throw half the time and still couldn't find an open reciever.

On the other hand Sanchez often didn't have all day and on those occasions he read it and the ball was gone. IMO what that says is that a QB can learn. Stick with McCoy. He's smart, he's agile and he will pick things up that he missed this year.

by **FUDU** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:11 pm

Triple-S wrote:I keep saying it, the Browns missed their chance by not drafting CDT. Hometown guy, has an extensive knowledge of pizza, has all the physical skills to make it.

I agree, he has all the physical tools needed to make pizza.

by **Ziner** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:15 pm

1Perry wrote:Sanchez was more than just the lucky guy getting the ball hiked to him.

It's no secret that I was rooting for the Jet's but it was more than the Jet's D that won it for them. Grant it, it played a major role. Cindy had all day to throw half the time and still couldn't find an open reciever.

On the other hand Sanchez often didn't have all day and on those occasions he read it and the ball was gone. IMO what that says is that a QB can learn. Stick with McCoy. He's smart, he's agile and he will pick things up that he missed this year.

Is that why Brady was sacked 5 times and Sanchez wasnt sacked once? Jets had 7 QB Hits and the Pats had none. Maybe you were watching a different game.

by **peeker643** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:25 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts who keep bustin out your Sanchez smack and how the Browns don't need a QB.

We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

When you stoopid bitches gonna recognize .

and an extra Fuck you to the mutha nut scratcher , you twin faced slut.

SoulDawg

SoulDawg

Dude, tone it down some. You want to gloat because one of the 1200 QBs you've fallen head over heals for in the last 12 months had a good day that's cool. He did. He played well.

But try and find me a post anywhere other than No Holds Barred where the person who starts a thread with "Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts" gets a pass.

It doesn't happen and it won't again here. You're getting one because you've put in time and I respect that. But that card has now been used.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

by **Ziner** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:27 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Dude, tone it down some. You want to gloat because one of the 1200 QBs you've fallen head over heals for in the last 12 months had a good day that's cool. He did. He played well.

Sanchez was no Daryl Clark yesterday I can say that.

by **FUDU** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:31 pm

Ziner I do recall about 3-4 plays that Brady had well over 7 or 8 seconds to throw, but the Jets D had everyone covered. Michael Vick would have been foaming at the mouth for that scenario.

by **Ziner** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:36 pm

FUDU wrote:Ziner I do recall about 3-4 plays that Brady had well over 7 or 8 seconds to throw, but the Jets D had everyone covered. Michael Vick would have been foaming at the mouth for that scenario.

Sure I remember those as well, when doesnt he have a few plays a game like that, but to pretend Sanchez was under duress all day while Brady sat back there patting the ball is disingenuous. The key to the game was the pressure they applied on Brady and Sanchez not making mistakes.

by **pup** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:42 pm

peeker643 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts who keep bustin out your Sanchez smack and how the Browns don't need a QB.

We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

When you stoopid bitches gonna recognize .

and an extra Fuck you to the mutha nut scratcher , you twin faced slut.

SoulDawg

SoulDawg

Dude, tone it down some. You want to gloat because one of the 1200 QBs you've fallen head over heals for in the last 12 months had a good day that's cool. He did. He played well.

But try and find me a post anywhere other than No Holds Barred where the person who starts a thread with "Eat Shit and die all you ignorant cum drinking cunts" gets a pass.

It doesn't happen and it won't again here. You're getting one because you've put in time and I respect that. But that card has now been used.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

And so there is no confusion, all with the moderator title agree.

2 and to the pool.

by **Fire Marshall Bill** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:18 pm

FUDU wrote:Ziner I do recall about 3-4 plays that Brady had well over 7 or 8 seconds to throw, but the Jets D had everyone covered. Michael Vick would have been foaming at the mouth for that scenario.

In fairness to every other QB in the league, Brady has zero ability to avoid a rush

Cripes, last night he made Namath look like Renaldo Nehemia

by **gotribe31** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:54 pm

I must be falling behind on my SD QB scorecard. I thought he had moved on from Sanchez to Freeman already? Wait...are we back to Clark again?

Here's my prediction...Sanchez, Ben, Rodgers or Cutler WILL WIN the superbowl this year. Bank it. And when it happens, I'm coming back to this thread to throw derogatory names at you that would make Richard Pryor blush.

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:59 pm

Ziner wrote:
FUDU wrote:Ziner I do recall about 3-4 plays that Brady had well over 7 or 8 seconds to throw, but the Jets D had everyone covered. Michael Vick would have been foaming at the mouth for that scenario.

Sure I remember those as well, when doesnt he have a few plays a game like that, but to pretend Sanchez was under duress all day while Brady sat back there patting the ball is disingenuous. The key to the game was the pressure they applied on Brady and Sanchez not making mistakes.

I certainly never said that. The reason Sanchez wasn't sacked was because he read the rush and threw the ball. Not always real accurately but he didn't take the sack. That's something he's learned to do with experience. That's all that is saying.

Sanchez wasn't "great" at any aspect even though he did have a couple pretty impressive throws, but he was smart.

I didn't see Sanchez do anything that I couldn't imagine Colt doing with another 20 games under his belt.

To note that Cindy at times had all day, points out the great defense the Jets secondary was playing. Most of the sacks IMO were also coverage sacks.

by **Gradysmanldy** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:38 pm

From a standpoint of, "I'd like to see the brownies draft a QB, since first round QB's tend to dominate the post season" I can see the point SD is sometimes hinting around.....mid-tirade.....ish.

But the ^^^ points that show how often he ties his hitch to a different gunslinger or waffled back and forth on Colt make it just more hot air.

Take a stance and stick with it, otherwise you're met with either derision or yawns.

(that being said, the JB/SD debates are probably the most interesting on this board)

by **daddywags** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:31 pm

Not saying it's happening here, but sometimes people assume the Patriots must have a great defense because BB is the coach and they usually have a great defense. Fact is, they didn't have a great defense this year. They finished 25th in the league in defense (ypg) - the Browns were 22nd - and 30th in pass defense (Browns were 18th). They won lots of games this year because they averaged over 32 points per game. They lost yesterday because they ran into a defense that was able to slow down the offense and an offense that took advantage of their poor pass defense.

But the Jets did what it took to win the game and Sanchez played very well, for sure.

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:00 pm

Yeah, Bill isn't so hot when he doesn't have the other teams plays beforehand.

by **peeker643** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:10 pm

1Perry wrote:Yeah, Bill isn't so hot when he doesn't have the other teams plays beforehand.

You're as insightful here as you are in other forums. :thumb up:

That said, this was the year to get the Pats for the reasons Wags stated above. The Pats aren't as good defensively this year as their record and reputation might have people believing. The reason for that is that they were remade defensively and are very young at some positions.

This was the year where you had better get the Patriots. Belichik re-made that team on the fly (again) and earned them a 1-seed despite the fact their defense was a year or two away from maturation.

Good God, look at that team and look at the names of the guys contributing in huge ways on both sides of the ball. That dude (Mumbles) is the definition of greatness in terms of coaching in the NFL. Now and historically speaking.

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:42 pm

The fact is, he has won nothing that counts after he was caught cheating. Nothing. He was out classed by a fat toe sucker yesterday.

If not for a bad call and cheating he'd be known as a poor mans Marv Levy.

by **motherscratcher** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:49 pm

1Perry wrote:The fact is, he has won nothing that counts after he was caught cheating. Nothing. He was out classed by a fat toe sucker yesterday.

If not for a bad call and cheating he'd be known as a poor mans Marv Levy.

You really think that whole videotaping thing makes a big difference don't you?

Marv Levy. Astounding.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:59 pm

Why is this dickless piece of shit sill allowed to post his moronic drivel on this site?

He's a cancer, and embarrassment to this site and the human race.

by **1Perry** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:07 pm

Difference or not, he hasn't been able to win since he was stopped. That hasn't stopped him from trying to cheat in other ways though (as the video has shown).

I don't understand the fanaticism. I guess Milli Vanilli once had a strong following also so there is that explaination.

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:33 pm

For months SD refused to acknowledge the existance of Sanchez. Now after two playoff wins in a row suddenly its new post time. I think the one trick pony is dead.

by **peeker643** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:23 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Why is this dickless piece of shit sill allowed to post his moronic drivel on this site?

He's a cancer, and embarrassment to this site and the human race.

You're being a bit hard on motherscratcher CDT.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:55 pm

I'm serious, if 90% of the people here pulled this shit they would get booted....... but this fucking clownshoe gets to hang around like a case of herpes.

by **Triple-S** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:32 pm

hey guys and fellow tcf-er's

um, just posting to say my bad on the hating on the steelers stuff that has rubbed people the wrong way, and this thread made me think things over.

my bad on it guys, I am really trying to have that quit being my schtick.

Go Jets

SSS.

by **ShadowDawg** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:36 pm

SD: Previous draft successes or failures mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to the next year. So we missed on some QB's, that in no way means the "soup de jour" at QB the following year is the next Ben or Aaron and certainly does not necesstitate drafting him.

I agree with you in that you require solid QB play in order to win in this league. That being said, I also believe bottom feeders must draft best player available...regardless of position. Make no mistake, we are catfish bottom feeders.

Personally, if AJ Green or Nick Fairley are gone, we should attempt to trade down. If there is no trade, select the BPA...Cam or otherwise. That is for Heckert and crew to decide...but my gut tells me that Cam will slide down draft boards and the Browns will be drafting elsewhere.

by **motherscratcher** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:50 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Why is this dickless piece of shit sill allowed to post his moronic drivel on this site?

He's a cancer, and embarrassment to this site and the human race.

You're being a bit hard on motherscratcher CDT.

I know man. You're going to give me a complex.

That's just mean, man. Why do you have to be so mean? I'm fragile, very fragile.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:42 am

motherscratcher wrote:
1Perry wrote:The fact is, he has won nothing that counts after he was caught cheating. Nothing. He was out classed by a fat toe sucker yesterday.

If not for a bad call and cheating he'd be known as a poor mans Marv Levy.

You really think that whole videotaping thing makes a big difference don't you?

Marv Levy. Astounding.

Hey don't hate on Marv. He was a damn good coach who wins at least 1 ring if not for Norwood.

by **ramllov** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:50 am

Sometimes I wonder why posters like to play Monday Morning Quarterback.

It is like revising history.

Anyone can go back to look at previous trades, previous drafts, plays a team should have made, it does get boring.

Sanchez is doing a great job, sometimes. He had a great game against a pretty weak defense. He had a great offensive line, very good set of RBs and very good set of wide receivers.

These are all pretty accurate statements.

If the Browns would have selected Sanchez, would he be this deep in the playoffs or would he be hopping around on crutches. It works both ways. If you look back at what could have been. Considering the consequence of what might have happened.

The Browns would not have had Mack at center, but some other guy. The number of sacks Sanchez would have had, picks, dropped balls, and penalties. I wonder if he ever would have made it past the 8th game of the season in either 2009 or 2010. The previous group of QBs who played the position for the Browns got hurt.

I guess it is fun to rant and rave, but it is not very constructive.

by **motherscratcher** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:13 am

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
1Perry wrote:The fact is, he has won nothing that counts after he was caught cheating. Nothing. He was out classed by a fat toe sucker yesterday.

If not for a bad call and cheating he'd be known as a poor mans Marv Levy.

You really think that whole videotaping thing makes a big difference don't you?

Marv Levy. Astounding.

Hey don't hate on Marv. He was a damn good coach who wins at least 1 ring if not for Norwood.

Yeah, and I didn't intend it to be a dig on Marv as much as it sounded like. But Mumbles is on the Mt Rushmore of football coaches. To call him a poor mans Marv is, well, astounding.

by **Calis32** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:50 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:We passed on Aaron Rodgers for Maylon Edwards.

We passed on Rapistburglar for Kellen Winslow

We passed on Sanchez Freeman and Clat Mathews Jr for a fuckin Center .

Now let's all jump in our time machine and go get these guys!!!

Oh and your take on Mack is just weak. Ask Sanchez how much he enjoys having a quality center.

by jb » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:55 pm

From the time of day I doubt he's drunk, so we're all dumber for this and there's not even any excuses.

by **Mavre** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:15 pm

the dirty sanchez had good numbers, but he missed quite a few passes that werent that difficult and his recievers made some great plays....why didnt etwards ever do that for us...god how i hate him

by **motherscratcher** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:21 pm

So let me ask...what makes a good WCO receiver?

If a conventional offense is best utilizing tall, fast recievers who can get seperation and go up and fight for the ball, does that mean WCO receivers need to be more quick off the line and be able to cut fast and have good hands and toughness? I know height is always desirable, no matter what the offense. But, is it less important in a WCO receiver?

And if so, when is Lil Dane projected?

*Yes, I understand that I'm a complete and total Buckeye Honk. I just love that guy.

by **Triple-S** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:22 pm

Mavre wrote:the dirty sanchez had good numbers, but he missed quite a few passes that werent that difficult and his recievers made some great plays....why didnt etwards ever do that for us...god how i hate him

...he did...in 2007..

dude went mental after that, I think not having Jurevicious around plus having complete shit at QB in the form of DA and BQ started to doom him, following that, he had a SD Style melt and started blaming the fans, and that's all she wrote.

by **FUDU** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:24 pm

motherscratcher wrote:So let me ask...what makes a good WCO receiver?

If a conventional offense is best utilizing tall, fast recievers who can get seperation and go up and fight for the ball, does that mean WCO receivers need to be more quick off the line and be able to cut fast and have good hands and toughness? I know height is always desirable, no matter what the offense. But, is it less important in a WCO receiver?

And if so, when is Lil Dane projected?

*Yes, I understand that I'm a complete and total Buckeye Honk. I just love that guy.

Jerry Rice.

...and lil Dane is white, so no he has not been projected.

by jb » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:29 pm

motherscratcher wrote:So let me ask...what makes a good WCO receiver?

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- Size and strength to outmuscle the < 5 yard chuck and get to the spot

- Physicality to go over the middle and get yo YAC on

- Ideally, but a bonus, the speed to take it to da hizzy when you catch that short pass cleanly and have a lane

- great oute running ability. the whole O is predicated on timing & precision and using the short timing pass in place of quite a bit of running.

To me, the 3 most prototypical WCO WR's were: a young TO , Rice, and Sterling (not Shannon) Sharpe

It is important to keep in mind that there is no pure WCO anymore, really.

I don't see dane as a legit 3 down NFL WR, but maybe given his heart & hands he can have a 10 year career in the slot as 3rd or 4th WR.

by **Ziner** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:31 pm

Just so we are clear Dane can only be projected as another white WR, that is how it works. Choose between Welker, Hartline, Gonzalez, or Austin Collie. Thats it.

by **FUDU** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 pm

Steve Largent likes this.

by **peeker643** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 pm

motherscratcher wrote:So let me ask...what makes a good WCO receiver?

If a conventional offense is best utilizing tall, fast recievers who can get seperation and go up and fight for the ball, does that mean WCO receivers need to be more quick off the line and be able to cut fast and have good hands and toughness? I know height is always desirable, no matter what the offense. But, is it less important in a WCO receiver?

And if so, when is Lil Dane projected?

*Yes, I understand that I'm a complete and total Buckeye Honk. I just love that guy.

Gotta have the hands, balls and the explosiveness to hit a seam with a short throw. I mean, DeSean Jackson is probably the poster boy at 5'10" 175 and Jeremy Maclin ain't much bigger. The Eagles as at team have no active receivers over 6'0" tall. Guys like Rice and Taylor in SF were just over 6' tall both weighed less than 200lbs.

Not saying they weren't strong enough to get where the route called for them to be but they weren't big. Their technique was unreal though.

James Jones from GB ain't that guy. He fits moreso because he's played in the WCO for a few years and has familiarity with it.

Not saying you can't be tall and explosive but Jennings and Driver, who work the seams a lot more than Jones does, are both under 6' and under 200lbs. Jones is actually the guy they use to stretch the field and in the end zone when his height and leaping ability are needed.

Short, horizontal routes in traffic, good hands, explosiveness after the catch to hit a seam.

by **RickNashEquilibrium** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:51 pm

Ziner wrote:Just so we are clear Dane can only be projected as another white WR, that is how it works. Choose between Welker, Hartline, Gonzalez, or Austin Collie. Thats it.

Welker is a hobbit and Gonzalez is half-cuban. Totally off base on those comparisons. Racist.

by **Triple-S** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:41 pm

Well, Well, Well.

C: Alex Mack, Cleveland. Doubt this? Watch the job Mack did on Vince Wilfork in the Browns' beatdown of the Patriots.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1BV4BJdvV

Still say it, I don't regret the first pick in the '09 draft one bit.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:19 pm

Triple-S wrote:Well, Well, Well.

C: Alex Mack, Cleveland. Doubt this? Watch the job Mack did on Vince Wilfork in the Browns' beatdown of the Patriots.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1BV4BJdvV

Still say it, I don't regret the first pick in the '09 draft one bit.

Peter King is a douchebag.

That being said, in his blurb about Bradford being Offensive ROY, he throws this nugget in there. "I strong considered Steeler center Maurkice Pouncey, who played like an eight-year vet from August on." So he strong(ly) considered giving OROY to Pouncey, yet in the very same article he names a different rookie as his All Pro center?

Every piece he ever writes is full of ridiculous glaring holes and contradictions. Old faggot POS.

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