peeker643 wrote:jb wrote:This is a place holder to be completed at aproximately 9:30 am EST on 1/14/11 cause like I have to work now.
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Ran L 8, I am now ready.
Since when did it become a rule that a college QB had to be absolutely, positively, NFL ready in order to draft him n the top third of the draft ? I am guessing when the slary cap made it an imperative for this kid to play right away, and fans went from patient to the SD view of the world. That is to say, I WANT AN OOMPA LOOPA AND I WANT IT NOW!
Well kids, the CBA as you knew it that excluded a rookie salary scale is now dead. DEAD I TELL YOU (see my bseball bat I'm waiving?) The rules have changed. This draft will probbaly occur, but no signings until a new CBA is in place. A rookie salary cap is one of two hills the owners will die on (18 game RS is the other) .
So you draft Cam Newton at 6 overall as the Browns. here's why.
hve you seen the kid play over a body of his regual season?
Duh.
For most, this would be good enough. But Peeker's bllod supply to his brain has been earratic as of late, so I continue.
The rookie cap and the overall suckitude of the Browns not having a high cap number mens you can carry and start McCoy and his 3rd round money for the next season, maybe even the season after in my opinion. This allows Cam to learn the NFL in the same manner that ne Steve Mcnair did when he went 4th overall and was similarly steak tartar as far as being Sunday ready. All he did was have a borderline HOF career.
You play Colt next season and the season after that. Then you know for sure whether he is lightening in a bottle or Eric Zeier. Meanwhile, Cam abides. Learns. get's ready.
If Colt is the shizznit you play Cam in mop up roles where he can look like god sham god. With his skills, grooming, and teams' desperations, I guarantee cam nets you two first round draft choices, just at the time we are gonna have our team fecal matter together to make a run if Patches and Heckert are what Walrus hopes they are.
If Colt is meh, feh, or blows, you have your franchise QB ready to go. You aren't back to the drawing board, hoping.
Cam's stats are really solid. Despite rust and yips in the BCS bowl, Cam has a pretty nice throwing motion. It isn't some BS crank up or hard side arm. His comletion percentage was damn good, and except for the BCS game he's shown he's pretty accurate, esp given his other gifts. Cam Newton isn't ready to play right away by any stretch, but he is a once in a lifetime talent and he is a winner, big time. He's Big Jen who runs about 1.0 faster in the 40.
Lastly, I can do this yet again, but the Browns are heded for a reboot and rebuild yet again. The D must be rebuilt and coached up. The O needs to learn a new system and retool to fit the WCO. I hope those of you pissing and moaning about close losses and 5 - 11 this year STFU when we look like an expansion team going 2 - 14 next season, if there is a next season, casue it is coming as sure as I'm typing this.
Now is the perfect time to do this and build the foundation. cam or no Cam, it's gonna take 3 seasons to be any good at all, minimum. May as well buy the stock with the highest upside.
Excellent. Two hours late and that's it? He's big, strong and doesn't have terrible mechanics. Awesome. Thanks for all of that.
Allow me to tell you why I don't want him at #6.
1. You can get immediate help for your rebuild w/o taking that leap.
2. You don't know if McCoy is the shit as you said. If he is then there is no slate of games for Cam to get time and reps.
And here, some actual objective stuff from others who know more than you and this idiot:
Final word: Cam Newton will be the most polarizing player in the 2011 NFL Draft. It's easy to see why some will fall madly in love him and why others will go mad if their team drafts him.
Newton is a rare talent. With his size, athleticism and arm strength, Newton has more potential than any player in this year's draft. That alone will get him picked in the first round. He also displays great leadership skills that are impossible to teach. In only one year at Auburn, the Tigers rallied around Newton and he led them to a national title.
But his negatives may scare some teams off completely. Newton will have to greatly refine all of his mechanical flaws if he wants to succeed in the pros. His field vision and pocket poise are average, at best.
Great! Only ALL of his mechanics need refined. That sounds hopeful. Lacks poise? Against a college rush where his line dominated 90% of the time? Tremendous. That should NOT be an issue in the NFL at all.
This one's worse (
http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/ ... ng-report/) :
The comparison I would make
is Vince Young with a cleaner throwing motion and better arm strength, but probably a little less impressive accuracy. However, Vince Young would very likely not be picked as high now as he was when he initially entered the draft. The reason Newton will be drafted as a QB is because he has demonstrated incredible potential this year doing the things he has done this year in the SEC. Obviously the offense he plays in does not translate to the NFL at all, and it coaches him to make one read and then look to scramble to extend the play, but the key component of evaluating Newton will be evaluating his intelligence and his intangibles. If he is a smart guy and he can impress scouts and coaches with X’s and O’s at the combine or any other time they interview him, his stock will shoot up. And if they talk to him and come to the conclusion that he has learned from his past mistakes and has a good work ethic then his stock will shoot up even more.
It’s tricky to evaluate him because you can look at him and see him for what he is and say: He’s a great athlete that can throw the ball really far and make great plays with his legs. That doesn’t sound like a good NFL QB. But then some people will look at him and say: If I can work with him for a year or two to improve his footwork and clean up his mechanics and get him comfortable going through progressions and reads, as well as working from under center regularly so he can learn to do 3, 5 and 7 step drops, then boy… I could have a revolutionary talent on my hands.
I personally think he will end up something like Vince Young. He will be able to win some games despite his sometimes erratic accuracy, but ultimately I think he will be a disappointment compared to what he was able to do in college. Too many things have to go right for him to overcome his issues as a prospect including: dramatically improving his footwork, teaching him how to do 3, 5 and 7 step drops, teaching him a pro-style offense and helping him learn how to go through more than one progression consistently, developing actual pocket poise to the point where he can buy time in the pocket without scrambling outside of the tackle box… There’s just a laundry list of things he has to work on, and even if he has great ability and good work ethic it will be a serious chore to overcome all of this. Best case scenario I think he becomes a 56-58% passer who can put up some big games.
http://nfldraftmonsters.com/scouting/sc ... am-newton/As I said it was tough to find a lot of window throws on Newton, and what I did find when charting them, wasn’t very impressive (that amazing sideline fourth down conversion against Alabama not withstanding). He has a tendency to throw the ball high, and not spin it cleanly when throwing into tight coverage, especially on shorter routes. Auburn tried a WR mid screen early against Alabama, and the receiver actually had to jump to catch the football. The lost time in the receiver resetting his feet, allowed the Crimson Tide linebacker to shed his block and make the tackle for no gain.
Mechanical:This is quite possibly the weakest area of Newton’s game. His mechanics are quite often down right awful. He has a propensity to throw off balance and off his back foot, even when not facing any measurable pressure. Both throws I mentioned above featured Newton doing some sort of ridiculous “hop pass” despite have absolutely no reason to. A good NFL QB coach will do nothing but footwork drills for the first few weeks he’s in camp.
Pre/Post snap reads: Another glaring weakness in Newton’s game is the lack of pre-snap reads. This isn’t his fault, it’s a product of Auburn’s offensive style, but taking the audible ability out of the hands of your quarterback, does a disservice in preparing him for life in the NFL. Since all of the calls come from the sideline, Newton will be behind the curve in diagnosing defensive looks at the NFL level.
Post snap, Newton has been given mostly simplified half field reads, thanks to the offensive system he’s in. Most pass plays are designed 1-2 reads and then for Newton to take off. We’ve seen quarterbacks struggle mightily to transition from this type of offense before (Vince Young). I’m not saying Newton can’t, I’m just saying he certainly has his work cut out for him.
Overall Newton is an intriguing prospect. He will be a project for whatever teams eventually drafts him. Personally given the amount of work that’s going to have to go into him, as well as the potential character risk, I wouldn’t touch him before the second round. You just don’t make a guy with as many things swirling above him as Cam Newton, the face of your franchise. That said, given the raw physicality, size, and athleticism, I can definitely see a team that thinks they can coach him up, snapping him up in the late first round, where salaries aren’t prohibitively high to sit a guy for awhile.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-bl ... lcons_blogHeisman Trophy winner Cam Newton, of Auburn and Westlake High, needs to stay in college and work on his God awful mechanics, according to Russ Lande, a former NFL Scout, who heads the War Room for the Sporting News.
Lande, who had his early Mock Draft up in Sporting News Today on Wednesday, doesn’t have Newton going in the first round. He does have three other quarterbacks being selected in the first round.
Lande considers Newton to be two to three years away from being ready to play in the NFL as a traditional quarterback.
I'll provide more if you like. Those were just going down the scouting report lists. Nothing cherry-picked and you can do the same. Tried to hit on the upside as well because clearly an athlete with that size and arm has upside.
It's just not #6 worthy when you need so much more.
But what do I know?
