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Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:08 pm

Most recent tweet from the Cavs owner:

Insightful Cavs fans get strategy to build & compete for long run.Young,athletic guys & great picks.NEVER gonna waiver.Like Manny?! Yep!


Real strategy
1) Proclaim the Cavs just as good as Heat in angry letter following LeBron's decision
2) Write another just before season's tipoff stating "We will play to win. Every season. Every game. Every minute."
3) After winning opener against Boston, tweet Byron Scott's quote asking why everyone was so surprised b/c Cavs expected to win.
4) Following back-to-back road wins in early November, tweet that the Cavs are in first place and that you are "more excited than ever".
5) After fourth win of season on Nov. 9, tweet " Halfway to our "8 win total" the herd of 'me-too' experts had us at this year:)Team will love yur supprt & get rerun win tmr nite"
6) Find yourself at eight wins two months later, proclaim in just second tweet of 2011 that coincides with best Manny Harris has played that the youth movement strategy which only smart and insightful Cavs fans get was the plan all along.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:21 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Most recent tweet from the Cavs owner:

Insightful Cavs fans get strategy to build & compete for long run.Young,athletic guys & great picks.NEVER gonna waiver.Like Manny?! Yep!




I'm fine with where this season is headed really. Actually beyond what I hoped.

As to Gilbert, well, let's just say posting emotionally is something I just can't relate to at all. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:24 pm

Gilbert has finally wised up and realized the herd of "me-too" experts knew what they were talking about when they said blow up the team and start over.
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Unread postby jb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:45 pm

Meanwhile, Miami got some vets, figured it out, and are a bona fide contender.

I'd focus on casino building myself
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:03 pm

"NEVER gonna waiver."

Does that mean he's never going to "waver" from the long term strategy, or does that mean he's not going to put Jamario Moon on "waivers"?
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby fundamentals » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:13 pm

He's a wealthy doofus who got played by LBJ, licked like an all-day sucker. CYA is in full effect.
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"We had a great time together."
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Unread postby papacass » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:12 pm

The Stepienization of Dan Gilbert has begun. Scary thing is, I don't think he's reached full freakout mode yet.

That will come later this spring, when season tickets are renewed at an 80 percent drop over last year. When Gilbert realizes that, yes, it's going to get that bad.

Gilbert made the same mistake the Dolans made. The Dolans purchased the Indians when they were the hot ticket in town. They knew some rebuilding was in the future, but they never foresaw a day when they'd consistently draw 8,000 fans on weeknights. They thought Cleveland was a baseball town and the Indians would draw on rep alone.

Gilbert has likely made the same mistake. He saw all the enthusastic support for his team over the past five years, and figured that Cleveland has a pretty rabid basketball fan base. Sure, LBJ is gone, and they might lose some bandwagoners, but the many true fans will stick it out.

It's only when Gilbert visits The Q next season and sees an unbroken sea of wine-colored seats in the upper deck that he'll realize what has happened.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby scott » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:07 pm

peeker643 wrote:
I'm fine with where this season is headed really. Actually beyond what I hoped.

As to Gilbert, well, let's just say posting emotionally is something I just can't relate to at all. ;-) ;) :wink:


I'd agree, but I was hoping we would get to 12 wins because we traded Jamo and Mo for draft picks and possibly a young player, not by playing this horribly with them. At this point we need an injury to the right guy on one of a few specific teams to be able to move Jamison.

The turnaround is in limbo until this team can get out of salary cap hell.
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Unread postby pup » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:08 pm

scott wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
I'm fine with where this season is headed really. Actually beyond what I hoped.

As to Gilbert, well, let's just say posting emotionally is something I just can't relate to at all. ;-) ;) :wink:


I'd agree, but I was hoping we would get to 12 wins because we traded Jamo and Mo for draft picks and possibly a young player, not by playing this horribly with them. At this point we need an injury to the right guy on one of a few specific teams to be able to move Jamison.

The turnaround is in limbo until this team can get out of salary cap hell.


How far over the cap are they today?
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Unread postby jb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:19 pm

scott wrote:The turnaround is in limbo until this team can get out of salary cap hell.



Didn't realize we were. Didn't even know we were in cap Lorain.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:53 pm

papacass wrote:The Stepienization of Dan Gilbert has begun. Scary thing is, I don't think he's reached full freakout mode yet.

That will come later this spring, when season tickets are renewed at an 80 percent drop over last year. When Gilbert realizes that, yes, it's going to get that bad.

Gilbert made the same mistake the Dolans made. The Dolans purchased the Indians when they were the hot ticket in town. They knew some rebuilding was in the future, but they never foresaw a day when they'd consistently draw 8,000 fans on weeknights. They thought Cleveland was a baseball town and the Indians would draw on rep alone.

Gilbert has likely made the same mistake. He saw all the enthusastic support for his team over the past five years, and figured that Cleveland has a pretty rabid basketball fan base. Sure, LBJ is gone, and they might lose some bandwagoners, but the many true fans will stick it out.

It's only when Gilbert visits The Q next season and sees an unbroken sea of wine-colored seats in the upper deck that he'll realize what has happened.


He was going to buy the Brewers????????????????
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Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:04 pm

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm

Not hardly in salary cap hell. (Which was pup's point) Also Jamo is a 15 million expiring deal next year. Mo and Andy are signed on the relative cheap. The team lacks young talent. Getting picks or somehow plucking a guy not getting minutes will probably be the only way to do that. Or lucking into a Harris, who, small sample size, looks to have some promise.

The owner should just shut the fuck up and not say anything, right??? Well, until, "If the owner doesn't care, then why should anyone else." or "He cares more about the Casino/Soccer Team." crap starts. Gilbert at his meddling worst isn't even in the same galaxy as Stepien. Put the hyperbole away, pulheze.
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:27 pm

pup wrote:
scott wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
I'm fine with where this season is headed really. Actually beyond what I hoped.

As to Gilbert, well, let's just say posting emotionally is something I just can't relate to at all. ;-) ;) :wink:


I'd agree, but I was hoping we would get to 12 wins because we traded Jamo and Mo for draft picks and possibly a young player, not by playing this horribly with them. At this point we need an injury to the right guy on one of a few specific teams to be able to move Jamison.

The turnaround is in limbo until this team can get out of salary cap hell.


How far over the cap are they today?

30 million UNDER.
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:29 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Most recent tweet from the Cavs owner:

Insightful Cavs fans get strategy to build & compete for long run.Young,athletic guys & great picks.NEVER gonna waiver.Like Manny?! Yep!


Real strategy
1) Proclaim the Cavs just as good as Heat in angry letter following LeBron's decision
2) Write another just before season's tipoff stating "We will play to win. Every season. Every game. Every minute."
3) After winning opener against Boston, tweet Byron Scott's quote asking why everyone was so surprised b/c Cavs expected to win.
4) Following back-to-back road wins in early November, tweet that the Cavs are in first place and that you are "more excited than ever".
5) After fourth win of season on Nov. 9, tweet " Halfway to our "8 win total" the herd of 'me-too' experts had us at this year:)Team will love yur supprt & get rerun win tmr nite"
6) Find yourself at eight wins two months later, proclaim in just second tweet of 2011 that coincides with best Manny Harris has played that the youth movement strategy which only smart and insightful Cavs fans get was the plan all along.

LOL ... best post of 2011 so far.

Dead. Nuts. On.

Cannot wait from the hypocrisy next year from Joe Fan who will still be cyber-blowing Gilbert when he's 40 million under the cap, right after bad mouthing the Dolans for not spending with the Indians.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby Ziner » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:48 pm

^ to be fair if that happens Gilbert should get a pass for a few years because it is advantageous to tear it apart for the cap space so you can reconstruct... if he is 4 years in and has yet to again even attempt to construct then he is fair game.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:32 pm

papacass wrote:That will come later this spring, when season tickets are renewed at an 80 percent drop over last year. When Gilbert realizes that, yes, it's going to get that bad.


I think he knew it was that bad when he went Comic Sans. Gilbert bought into the Cavs on the earnest belief that he could keep Lebron here long-term. He went into July thinking that he had as good a shot as any at keeping LeQuit, if not more so, than any other guy in the Association. Y'know, like the rest of us.

So, yeah, I think the Stepien takes are a little far-fetched. The dude was TBDOIT once upon a time, I don't think getting shivved by a prima donna to the tune of nine figures is any reason to change that belief.

EDIT: That said, shitcanning Roker which resulted in TBO also walking and then handing the keys to 121-63 may not have been the best move either. Dude still needs some work on long-term planning.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:35 pm

jb wrote:Meanwhile, Miami got some vets, figured it out, and are a bona fide contender.


Like the Cavs of the past two years? Their biggest win of the season is over a Lakers team that's already hit regular season cruise control. If they're still alive come late May, then they're bona fide contenders. Until then, Show Me.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:16 pm

Damn yo, Madre gonna keep running coach talk smack about a team with the worst front court ever playin' and being sponsored by an owner that's mind is so lost it took him four months to hire a GM after he bought the team.

Seriously, what do you want Scott to do?

This team quit before tip-off. Can't play "team D" with guys that quit. Stop with these stupid ass blame the coach takes, you and Cass are better than that.

Team D ain't real or possible once a team gives up, players just start playing for points and stats, thus these asshats can still score.

Team sucks, told you it did two/three years ago, deal wit it.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:20 pm

Oh and I dare you to name me four owners in tAssociation that are worse than Gilbert.

I also dare you to counter with his "resume"
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Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and I dare you to name me four owners in tAssociation that are worse than Gilbert.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_J._Maloof,_Jr.

is about to move the kings rumor has it, despite Reke and co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

is fucking terrible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_L._Dolan

No. 45 hasn't done shit in Charlotte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Bobcats

or hell, what about the NO hornets? They are owned by the NBA itself, sort of proves how much of a failure they are at this given moment.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:08 pm

Kid - research the Kings situation before you cite them as bad... you just stupid kid

Kid - I purposefully said four because right now there are only three because Shinn is gone from NO
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Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:20 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and I dare you to name me four owners in tAssociation that are worse than Gilbert.

Sterling, Sarver, Dolan, Heisley. The Mount Rushmore of shitty owners.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:20 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and I dare you to name me four owners in tAssociation that are worse than Gilbert.


Donald Sterling, James Dolan, Glen Taylor, Michael Heisley.

Bonus round: Herb Koch, Robert Sarver, whoever's running the show in Philly.

In memoriam: Abe Pollin, George Shinn, whatsisface Cohen in Golden State.
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Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:21 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Kid - I purposefully said four because right now there are only three because Shinn is gone from NO


not to grasp at straws, but is Toronto's ownership been very good or better than gilberts over the past couple of years? Timberwolves? Grizz?

I do think gilbert at this given point is bad at owning an NBA team, obviously he cannot toss money at the problem right now, and landing some player in the draft as the next "lamar odom" is not going to solve it either, that will indeed just possibly keep the team at the mediocre levels.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:26 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and I dare you to name me four owners in tAssociation that are worse than Gilbert.


Donald Sterling, James Dolan, Glen Taylor, Michael Heisley.

Bonus round: Herb Koch, Robert Sarver, whoever's running the show in Philly.

In memoriam: Abe Pollin, George Shinn, whatsisface Cohen in Golden State.


Okay now that you want to throw those names out there do me a favor, research the hiring process of TBO.

Gilbert bought a team and took four months to hire a GM because he was obsessed with giving Larry Brown a blow job. Finally hired TBO four days before free agency after TBO walked away from the negotiations (which were last minute) because Gilbert wanted final say in basketball Ops.

That summer, "The Hughes Summer" was the destruction of this team and we had a GM for a full ten days before we paid "Larry"

Gilbert STFU and paid for four years while giving The Whore Of Akron control of the entire franchise (even the in game Music!).

Gilbert thought blowing LBJ would make him a cool ten mill.

Gilbert, this past summer, in an attempt to keep LBJ didn't just fire Roker (which needed to happen) he also demanded final say in basketball decisions while negotiating with TBO again and TBO walked.

Gilbert then hired a yes man to suck his cock while he runs this franchise into the ground because of Comic Fucking Sans.

What owners on that list have done shit like that? Guy is a hot headed Napoleanic little fuck that just throws whatever emotion he is feeling, as this franchise is his play toy, not his money.
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Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:32 pm

Child's play. He did that over 5 years - that's practically a regular weekday for the 4 I mentioned.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:35 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Damn yo, Madre gonna keep running coach talk smack about a team with the worst front court ever playin' and being sponsored by an owner that's mind is so lost it took him four months to hire a GM after he bought the team.


Ferry was hired days after the Spurs' season had ended.

As for the worst front court ever take, well no shit. You missed where I lamented losing our Shaq / Big Ben enforcer. It also didn't help that we went the Randy Brown route in replacing Lebron.

Seriously, what do you want Scott to do?


Be a better coach?

This team quit before tip-off. Can't play "team D" with guys that quit. Stop with these stupid ass blame the coach takes, you and Cass are better than that.


Team D got us to the NBA Finals with Lebron, SSB, Z's mortal remains, and assorted flotsam. Team D gets teams full of crap to at least respectable levels, just ask Larry Brown. What's Byron Scott's resume? Oh right. 121-63, two mid-season firings, and no sausages. You couldn't have asked for a better guy to lead a team to quit.

A roster that 'sucked' two years ago picked up as many wins in the regular and postseason as Miami is looking likely to get this year. And last I remember, the only guy who said we were toast against Orlando that season was Herm.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:35 pm

I dunno, Dolan tries to do good and tries to stay out of the picture. He's the Randy Jammies of Association owners.

And Heisley has had at least a few successes in his stupid ass reign.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:37 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Damn yo, Madre gonna keep running coach talk smack about a team with the worst front court ever playin' and being sponsored by an owner that's mind is so lost it took him four months to hire a GM after he bought the team.


Ferry was hired days after the Spurs' season had ended.

As for the worst front court ever take, well no shit. You missed where I lamented losing our Shaq / Big Ben enforcer. It also didn't help that we went the Randy Brown route in replacing Lebron.

Seriously, what do you want Scott to do?


Be a better coach?

This team quit before tip-off. Can't play "team D" with guys that quit. Stop with these stupid ass blame the coach takes, you and Cass are better than that.


Team D got us to the NBA Finals with Lebron, SSB, Z's mortal remains, and assorted flotsam. Team D gets teams full of crap to at least respectable levels, just ask Larry Brown. What's Byron Scott's resume? Oh right. 121-63, two mid-season firings, and no sausages. You couldn't have asked for a better guy to lead a team to quit.

A roster that 'sucked' two years ago picked up as many wins in the regular and postseason as Miami is looking likely to get this year. And last I remember, the only guy who said we were toast against Orlando that season was Herm.


I had no faith in Orlando that year but I have been screaming about this roster sucking ass for years.

Coaching is not the problem with this roster. These guys, LBJ blow-dolls, need to all be purged. As soon as he quit they quit and no coach can change that.

Team D ain't gonna happen until you get a roster full of young hungry kids trying to get somewhere. The best tits ever couldn't motivate these guys to do the dirty work D right now.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:43 pm

Oh and stop lying, hit Google. The hold up on hiring Ferry had nothing to do with the Spurs run, Gilbert was literally following around Brown and blowing him while leaking (repeatedly to the press) that he had him hired, just like he did with Izzo this year.

Guy has never hired anyone without first spending three months blowing someone from Detroit.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:43 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I dunno, Dolan tries to do good and tries to stay out of the picture. He's the Randy Jammies of Association owners.

And Heisley has had at least a few successes in his stupid ass reign.


is he actually willing to spend cash like lerner does? (amare signing not with standing)

his brother sure as shit doesn't.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:44 pm

Seriously SSS?

You are fucking retarded.

The Knicks led the league in luxury tax for like eight years thanks to Isaiah.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:46 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Gilbert bought a team and took four months to hire a GM because he was obsessed with giving Larry Brown a blow job. Finally hired TBO four days before free agency after TBO walked away from the negotiations (which were last minute) because Gilbert wanted final say in basketball Ops.


Again, TBO was hired just days after the Spurs season ended. Maybe if Gund had done a better job, he wouldn't have had to replace Paxson, but its not like Gilbert was gunning for Elgin Baylor either.

That summer, "The Hughes Summer" was the destruction of this team and we had a GM for a full ten days before we paid "Larry"


Once Shuttlesworth said no, that off-season was a waste. IHS was IHS and Redd's been a non-entity for years now. That's all on Paxson and his miracle cure.

Gilbert STFU and paid for four years while giving The Whore Of Akron control of the entire franchise (even the in game Music!).


And what was the alternative?

Gilbert thought blowing LBJ would make him a cool ten mill.


Gilbert thought blowing LBJ would keep him in Cleveland.

Gilbert, this past summer, in an attempt to keep LBJ didn't just fire Roker (which needed to happen) he also demanded final say in basketball decisions while negotiating with TBO again and TBO walked.

Gilbert then hired a yes man to suck his cock while he runs this franchise into the ground because of Comic Fucking Sans.


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What owners on that list have done shit like that? Guy is a hot headed Napoleanic little fuck that just throws whatever emotion he is feeling, as this franchise is his play toy, not his money.
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What owner on that list is a cheapskate racist assmunch whose sole purpose in owning a franchise is to leach off of the Staples Center?

What owner on that list thought it was a great idea to give complete control of his franchise to Isaiah Thomas, let him run it into the ground while he practiced guitar, then very nearly gave control back to Isaiah this past fall?

What owner on that list skinflinted the most exciting basketball team in the West into what's now a conference punchline?

What owner on that list kept Kevin McHale on the payroll well past the sell-by date, conspired with McHale to pay Joe Smith under the table, and then replaced him with David Kahn?

What owner on that list had to move his franchise once, then hosted another fire sale when the fans couldn't support an NBA franchise again?

What owner on that list had to move his franchise, nearly moved a second time, and then wound up selling to the NBA itself when he couldn't make enough cash?

Christ, I'm spending too much time on this. Back to work for me. Enjoy your own forum, Maverick.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:51 pm

Fuck yourself bro, stop fucking lying.

Gilbert spent three months chasing Larry Brown and told the world he hired him. Fuck getting a FO in place to actually plan for that off-season, our owner chased his dick tease for three fucking months and then hired someone at the last second.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2072213

No one on that list aside from Sterling has been such a meddling fuck as Gilbert.

Keep screaming about McHale, but Gilbert bought a team that owned the biggest sport asset in the world and blew it. That stands on its own.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:54 pm

Oh and calling out Larry Brown making the playoffs last year with the Cats as an example of Scott being a bad coach is the biggest joke ass take I have ever seen.

There are four players starting for the Cats more talented than ANYONE on our roster.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:07 pm

Been saying Cavs sucked for years....

LMAO.

I called that one.

DEAD

FUCKING

NUTS.

Just took a lot longer for it to come to fruition than I/some expected.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby Ziner » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:43 pm

If you ask him last week's Mega Millions numbers I bet he would nail it.
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Ziner wrote:If you ask him last week's Mega Millions numbers I bet he would nail it.


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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:42 am

Ain't my problem if you don't remember me spending years bitching about the long term health of this roster (which is different than saying The Cavs sucked).

Been a serious void of young talent for ages and I led the charge here screaming about the need to get younger, even last year when I bitched about the Jamo trade instead of an Amare deal.
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e0y2e3 wrote:Ain't my problem if you don't remember me spending years bitching about the long term health of this roster (which is different than saying The Cavs sucked).


Yes, because no one else noticed that we weren't set up for the future, mostly because we were forced to be reactionary because of no long term commitment from Lebron. Sure they fucked up the period of IHS and posse, but after which we were held hostage and essentially forced in to the other moves. It isnt as if you were the only one in the last 7 years who noticed it.

e0y2e3 wrote:Been a serious void of young talent for ages and I led the charge here screaming about the need to get younger, even last year when I bitched about the Jamo trade instead of an Amare deal.


For sure, Ferry should have totally asked harder, maybe he could have begged and pleaded even.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:00 pm

See, again you are misremembering.

The lack of an LBJ commitment cost the team approximately one FA - Ariza. All of the rest of the reactionary moves were all we could make because of the summer of Hughes.

Additionally there were a lot of people who acted as if this team was set up fine for the future with Andy, Mo, JJ, etc. I argued on this board two if not three years ago that the Nets were going to set up there roster in a manor that they would be able to make a big move in the summer of 2010, looks like I was six months off. Same time I was arguing that people like Madre sat here and pretended like the Cavs roster was gold.

Oh and as for the Amare thing, stop being a sarcastic fuck about that deal. We have no idea what happened on that day but there were a lot of rumors that Ferry was the one that took Hickson off the table, which is why I snapped.

Ferry did a nice job upgrading his shit roster day by day over his tenure but he fucked up so bad in 2005 it was all moot.

Fuck, even last year I got told how Jamo was the perfect addition to this team, exactly the player they needed. Bitch please.

Tons of revisionist history in your post, tons.

And I don't care what they had to do to get young talent, they had options. When guys like Rondo go at 21 in the draft and are bought for $3MM teams always have options. Our dipshit owner and our stuck GM just ended up focusing far far too much on the here and now.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:08 pm

Oh yeah and two, three, four years ago we still had people on these boards lying every day and claiming that we were gonna be set up to afford to max free agents in the summer of 2010. Took a long time to beat that rumor out of here.

Whackphisto convinced like 75% of this board that Andy was gonna resign for free and two max guys be here.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:37 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:See, again you are misremembering.

The lack of an LBJ commitment cost the team approximately one FA - Ariza. All of the rest of the reactionary moves were all we could make because of the summer of Hughes.

Additionally there were a lot of people who acted as if this team was set up fine for the future with Andy, Mo, JJ, etc. I argued on this board two if not three years ago that the Nets were going to set up there roster in a manor that they would be able to make a big move in the summer of 2010, looks like I was six months off. Same time I was arguing that people like Madre sat here and pretended like the Cavs roster was gold.

Oh and as for the Amare thing, stop being a sarcastic fuck about that deal. We have no idea what happened on that day but there were a lot of rumors that Ferry was the one that took Hickson off the table, which is why I snapped.

Ferry did a nice job upgrading his shit roster day by day over his tenure but he fucked up so bad in 2005 it was all moot.

Fuck, even last year I got told how Jamo was the perfect addition to this team, exactly the player they needed. Bitch please.

Tons of revisionist history in your post, tons.

And I don't care what they had to do to get young talent, they had options. When guys like Rondo go at 21 in the draft and are bought for $3MM teams always have options. Our dipshit owner and our stuck GM just ended up focusing far far too much on the here and now.


In your opinion Eye:

Which fuck up was worse for the Cavs, the Summer of Boozer or the Summer of Hughes? I guess maybe I'm asking if the Summer of Hughes happens at all if the Boozer debacle doesn't?

And, who shoulders the blame for the summer of Hughes, Ferry of TMLP?
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:17 pm

motherscratcher wrote:And, who shoulders the blame for the summer of Hughes, Ferry of TMLP?


I'll include option C: Jim Paxson, whose brainchild became the summer of Hughes.
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Re: Gilbert pretends playing young stiffs was strategy all along

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:17 pm

While the Boozer debacle sucked ass cobbler, I can't blame that day alone (as problematic as it was).

Ferry was hired, albeit days before the start of FA with so much cap space he could have afforded to do anything.

Where the line gets blurred IMO and TMLP gets blame (beyond the Larry Brown debacle) is that the onus should have been on TMLP to keep LBJ in line and willing to let his GM use or not use the cap space. After Allen and Redd turned us down that summer honestly we shouldn't have maxed out our FA money (we spent the just under 3 max contracts that summer). In the same way the Presti has been free to keep cap space and use it to grab draft picks and young talent TMLP should have convinced his star player to let Ferry take that route (assuming Ferry would have, not sure there).

Boozer or no Boozer you can't have as much cap space as the Cavs did and blow it, just can't.

Blame for me starts with TMLP because LBJ got his "spend it all" demand and TMLP didn't keep him in line (WAR: blowing LBJ every day and creating the monster he is today), then hits Ferry.

Either way, summer of 2005 gets credit for both The Decision and today, IMO.

Well that and turning three expiring deals in a year of Shaq and Jamo. The non-use of the Wally deal was a bad bad day.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:19 pm

Ha, it's Paxson's fault. That's rich as hell.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:45 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Fuck, even last year I got told how Jamo was the perfect addition to this team, exactly the player they needed. Bitch please.

Tons of revisionist history in your post, tons.

And I don't care what they had to do to get young talent, they had options. When guys like Rondo go at 21 in the draft and are bought for $3MM teams always have options. Our dipshit owner and our stuck GM just ended up focusing far far too much on the here and now.


Guilty of the Jamo talk. Obviously only saw his potential on O, and not the HUGE liability on D. Magnified by a complete lack of any length or girth at the center position.

On the draft... See Eric Bledsoe. Options are always there. They always went the safer verteran route, always.
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