Pryor, Boom, Posey to sit out Sugar Bowl?

[gotribe31]

Ummm...this would not be good.

Things aren't looking good for Ohio State University and the Sugar Bowl. Several key Buckeye players may not end up playing after they allegedly received free tattoos in exchange for autographs at the Columbus tattoo parlor, Fine Line Ink.

Sources say that OSU offcials are meeting for the second straight day to consider compliance issues. The players reportedly involved included: Terrelle Pryor, Dan Herron, DeVier Posey, Travis Howard, Jonathan Newsome, Jorrdan Hall, Chris Fields, and Michael Brewster.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15518

[gotribe31]

CNNSI seems to paint a better picture

WBNS-TV and The Columbus Dispatch, both citing unidentified sources, reported on their websites Wednesday night that the school was looking into the possible NCAA violations just two weeks before the Buckeyes face Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4.

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor, not mentioned in either report, quickly responded on Twitter.

"I paid for my tattoos. GoBucks'' he posted.

The Associated Press left telephone, text and e-mail messages seeking comment from coach Jim Tressel, athletic director Gene Smith, the school's compliance director and other university officials.

Asked by the AP to respond to the allegations, Ohio State associate athletic director Dan Wallenberg said in an e-mail, "No information to share.''

Team spokeswoman Shelly Pryor said after Tuesday's practice that each player was eligible for the bowl. She said she was unaware of any NCAA investigation.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... z18uAoyT00

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/f ... thru.0260/

[Squints]

Musburger and Herbie just mentioned it during tonight's bowl game.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

The were talking about this on The Fan today, apparently you're supposed to get a receipt for a tattoo.

And Fine Line Ink does nice work.

[danwismar]

What an absolute joke it would be if any OSU player is suspended for the bowl game for this trivial bullshit while Newton plays for the national title.

[danwismar]

There is to be a noon press conference with OSU A.D. Gene Smith to address "NCAA rules violations".

[pup]

Should have had their dad's "pay" for the tats with autographs they gave him.

[Spin]

So far they're suspended for the first five games of 2012.

[TOTribeFan]

So far they're suspended for the first five games of 2012.

First 5 games of 2011 actually.... But still bowl eligible. Of course the option is to go pro instead....

[Spin]

Yeah 2011.

He may go pro, if it looks like there won't be a lockout.

ESPN is saying Braxton Miller is about to sign with tOSU, and would be the starter as a freshman.

[fightdr]

How do you let any of these clowns play in the bowl game?
They should all be booted for selling their rings and gear.
F em all.
Tress will look like the biggest joke if he lets them.
I wouldn't even let them make the trip.
They are a disgrace.

[gotribe31]

Yeah 2011.

He may go pro, if it looks like there won't be a lockout.

ESPN is saying Braxton Miller is about to sign with tOSU, and would be the starter as a freshman.

Miller has already committed, but not sure he's the starter from day 1 as a true frosh. He's talented, no doubt. But that's a lot to ask of a kid.

First five games of 2011:
Akron
Toledo
at Miami (FL)
Colorado
Michigan State

Then game 6 is at Nebraska. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

Still can't beleive that a player's dad can solicit 200 G's with no penalty but this costs kids 5 games.

[peeker643]

How do you let any of these clowns play in the bowl game?
They should all be booted for selling their rings and gear.
F em all.
Tress will look like the biggest joke if he lets them.
I wouldn't even let them make the trip.
They are a disgrace.

Overlooking the fact I thought fightdr was dead given I haven't seen him here in a while and he may be seen as a bit emotional on the issue, I think his point about the bowl game is dead-nuts on.

If an act is egregious enough to suspend a cat for five games next season how is not egregious enough to suspend him for the one game in two weeks?

I have no understanding of that other than $$$$$$$$$

[pup]

Yeah 2011.

He may go pro, if it looks like there won't be a lockout.

ESPN is saying Braxton Miller is about to sign with tOSU, and would be the starter as a freshman.

Miller has already committed, but not sure he's the starter from day 1 as a true frosh. He's talented, no doubt. But that's a lot to ask of a kid.

First five games of 2011:
Akron
Toledo
at Miami (FL)
Colorado
Michigan State

Then game 6 is at Nebraska. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

Still can't beleive that a player's dad can solicit 200 G's with no penalty but this costs kids 5 games.

Miller might beat out Pryor in an open competition.

[pup]

How do you let any of these clowns play in the bowl game?
They should all be booted for selling their rings and gear.
F em all.
Tress will look like the biggest joke if he lets them.
I wouldn't even let them make the trip.
They are a disgrace.

I agree with the sentiment.

I also agree that the NCAA has to be off their god damn rocker to allow Cam Newton and Auburn to play for a NC but suspend these guys for this.

It should be a bigger violation within the walls of the Woody Hayes Center than it should be inside the walls of the NCAA.

[fightdr]

Not dead. Just picky.
If you thought I was dead I wish I could have at least gotten an email or something checking up on me.
Thanks Peeker. Love ya buddy!

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Stay classy Terrelle...

The question of whether Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor will enter the NFL draft has suddenly gotten a lot clearer.

As explained by John Taylor of CFT, Pryor has been suspended the first five games of the 2011 season for receiving impermissible benefits.

Apparently, Pryor had decided to get into the memorabilia business, selling his 2008 Big Ten title ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl championship sportsmanship award, and his 2008 gold pants, which had been a gift from the school.

He must repay $2,500 as a result of those transactions.

Other players have been suspended for varying numbers of games. All players will be available for the Sugar Bowl, a move that the NCAA has justified by concluding that the players didn’t receive adequate rules education.

The possibility of the Sugar Bowl not attracting a desirable television rating surely had nothing to do with that specific aspect of the ruling

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... nfl-draft/

[peeker643]

Not dead. Just picky.
If you thought I was dead I wish I could have at least gotten an email or something checking up on me.
Thanks Peeker. Love ya buddy!

C'mon. If I really thought you were dead why would I send an email?

Merry Christmas Spoon. Hope the whole family has happy and healthy New Year too.

[gotribe31]

How do you let any of these clowns play in the bowl game?
They should all be booted for selling their rings and gear.
F em all.
Tress will look like the biggest joke if he lets them.
I wouldn't even let them make the trip.
They are a disgrace.

It should be a bigger violation within the walls of the Woody Hayes Center than it should be inside the walls of the NCAA.

Exactly. I'm sure Tres is going nuts right now.

[danwismar]

A couple of points that are interesting:

Many if not most of these incidents occurred some time ago, perhaps as long as two years ago.

It came to light when a US Attorney seized some items that they determined to belong to OSU, and reported it to the university.

All these violations were self-reported by OSU some weeks ago.

They are appealing the penalties.

All the items sold for which the penalties are being assessed were purchased by the same person.

Tim May's report in the Dispatch gets into why the players are ruled eligible for the bowl game but suspended for games in 2011. It's too convoluted to get into here.

http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblog/2 ... ryor.shtml

Best quote from the press conference...Tressel on players selling the Gold Pants, the jewelry in the shape of a pair of football pants that is the players' award for beating Michigan: "I don’t know what’s in the minds of a 19-year-old. It might be, "I'm going to win four more of these ..."

[FUDU]

5 games, what a joke and a completely unjustifiable crock a shit. Suspend the jerkwads no doubt even for the bowl game, but JFC way to stay consistent NCAA.

TP may be a doosh, no actually he is, but no way Braxton is starting over him if the suspensions weren't in the mix.

Talk about a real downer for bowl season, fuck just cancel Xmas at this point.

[skatingtripods]

I think we're going to find out a lot about Jim Tressel over the next couple weeks. He's been squeaky clean to this point, always does and says the right things. It'll be very hard for them to compete with Bauserman at QB. He knows that. But Pryor and these other kids blatantly disrespected the program.

Tressel has to be absolutely beside himself. And he has full right to be.

[peeker643]

They get to play because there was no indication what they did was wrong?

What a bunch of bullshit.

Although Pryor's tweet about at least paying for his tattoo appears credible

The decision from the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff does not include a withholding condition for the Allstate Sugar Bowl. The withholding condition was suspended and the student-athletes will be eligible to play in the bowl game Jan. 4 based on several factors.

These include the acknowledgment the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred, Lennon said.

NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation. In addition, there must not be any competitive advantage related to the violations, and the student-athletes must have eligibility remaining.

The policy for suspending withholding conditions for bowl games or NCAA championship competition recognizes the unique opportunity these events provide at the end of a season, and they are evaluated differently from a withholding perspective. In this instance, the facts are consistent with the established policy, Lennon said.

[FUDU]

JT can just stick by the NCAAs side on this and remain consistent in his general rep and approach, it just sucks for him that by doing so he pretty much screws himself and the 2011 team because at that point he completely concedes the 5 game suspension.

Hello 3-2, goodbye BCS and any remote hope of a NC.

What is most surprising is that a 21 yr old kid that idolizes and talks to LeBron James would be such a schmuck.

[peeker643]

What is most surprising is that a 21 yr old kid that idolizes and talks to LeBron James would be such a schmuck.

He didn't know you weren't supposed to sell that shit Donny. Didn't you read the explanation?

[pup]

5 games, what a joke and a completely unjustifiable crock a shit. Suspend the jerkwads no doubt even for the bowl game, but JFC way to stay consistent NCAA.

TP may be a doosh, no actually he is, but no way Braxton is starting over him if the suspensions weren't in the mix.No, because there would never be an open competition.

Talk about a real downer for bowl season, fuck just cancel Xmas at this point.

[FUDU]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

[pup]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

[motherscratcher]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

[pup]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

Better passer, today.
Better leader, today.

[peeker643]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

Better passer, today.
Better leader, today.

You're an angry little elf at Christmas.

[motherscratcher]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

Better passer, today.
Better leader, today.

You might be right (and I hope you are). But, how about we let the kid step on campus once first, and not declare that he's such a great passer and leader based on one game that we saw him play 2 weeks ago against high school kids (that he lost btw).

[skatingtripods]

Herbstreit is dead nuts on from Colin Cowherd's show this morning.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=theherd#

Click Herbie's name to play.

[peeker643]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

Better passer, today.
Better leader, today.

You might be right (and I hope you are). But, how about we let the kid step on campus once first, and not declare that he's such a great passer and leader based on one game that we saw him play 2 weeks ago against high school kids (that he lost btw).

Ridiculous. Annointing Pryor as Christ in Cleats worked out amazingly well, didn't it? This is as regular as the Olympics. Every few years the incoming QB, without ever playing a down, is better than the incumbent.

I don't quite understand why we never learn.

Maybe we can cut to the chase and pick out a kid in 8th grade who's better than Miller now??

[pup]

Stop it pup, don't even try to open up the discussion inplying B Miller is better than Pryor.

He isn't any worse.

C'mon dude. Don't be ridiculous. Miller might be better after a few years but he surely isn't right now.

Better passer, today.
Better leader, today.

You might be right (and I hope you are). But, how about we let the kid step on campus once first, and not declare that he's such a great passer and leader based on one game that we saw him play 2 weeks ago against high school kids (that he lost btw).

Ridiculous. Annointing Pryor as Christ in Cleats worked out amazingly well, didn't it? This is as regular as the Olympics. Every few years the incoming QB, without ever playing a down, is better than the incumbent.

I don't quite understand why we never learn.

Maybe we can cut to the chase and pick out a kid in 8th grade who's better than Miller now??

Has more to do with my opinion of Cryor than Miller.

Pretty sure it can be verified through a few thousand posts that I am anything but flavor of the month guy.

Now go gut a deer.

[British_Pharaoh]

What an absolute joke it would be if any OSU player is suspended for the bowl game for this trivial bullshit while Newton plays for the national title.

+1

I just read this on yahoo. Ridiculous

[Rat_Tail]

And I thought college football couldn't get any more lame.

All this because he sold his Big Ten ring? It's his fucking possession. He should be able to sell whatever the fuck he wants.

Fuck the NCAA.

[peeker643]

Has more to do with my opinion of Cryor than Miller.

Pretty sure it can be verified through a few thousand posts that I am anything but flavor of the month guy.

Now go gut a deer.

Not when you make the statement you made.

Leave Miller out of it while you call Pryor the most disappointing or over-hyped recruit in the last 20 years (or longer) and I'm lining up with ya.

Throw Miller's name in the mix as a high school kid you believe is ready to excel at the major college level today and I think you're simply fanning the flames for the next Pryor-like disappointment. Whether you want to say it or not you're doing to Miller what others did to Pryor before he stepped on campus.

Should also be noted that I still think Pryor is a good college QB. But he ain't what we were sold and he ain't on the fast track to NFL glory either.

And until deer are kind enough to remove their own innards before dying I will remain committed to that process.

[leadpipe]

5 games, what a joke and a completely unjustifiable crock a shit. Suspend the jerkwads no doubt even for the bowl game, but JFC way to stay consistent NCAA.

TP may be a doosh, no actually he is, but no way Braxton is starting over him if the suspensions weren't in the mix.

Talk about a real downer for bowl season, fuck just cancel Xmas at this point.

This ain't the NCAA'a fault.

That arent too many rules for these guys to follow. Even the dumbest one of em' would know this was wrong.

And they'll let em' play the bowl game for the same reason they let Newton. And they'll cancel the bowl game wins after the money has been deposited.

And I guess you have to say it, to save some face I suppose, but Pryor pulling the old "support my family card" Yea, ok Terrell, stop hangin' around the tatoo parlor of your mommy is so important to you.

Better yet, enter the draft so the Bucks can get somone in there that can throw the forward pass.

[Triple-S]

"if this was Ryan Mallett at Arkansas, he'd have been suspended, because the NCAA favors the big ten and pac 10"

-Mark May on CFB Live

O RLY? like how Cam Newton was able to have dad name his own price and attend auburn and still be able to play in the National Championship?

Seriously, what the hell qualifies this guy to speak on college football? He played at fucking pitt?

really hope a bus runs over this guy.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

no way Tress lets them play in the bowl.

You break the rules this is what happens, no matter if the rules broken were laughable at best.

And how can one tell alreday that Miller is a "better leader and passer"? A bit premature no?

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Annointing Pryor as Christ in Cleats worked out amazingly well, didn't it?

I think a lot of it depends on the coach

Sincerely,

Ron Pawlus

[danwismar]

What an absolute joke it would be if any OSU player is suspended for the bowl game for this trivial bullshit while Newton plays for the national title.

+1

I just read this on yahoo. Ridiculous

Remember please, that when I wrote this, very early in the thread, I thought all we were talking about was swapping a tattoo for an autograph.

Clearly the violations turned out to be more than that....while still not anything approaching getting $200,000 for a letter of intent.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I just don't understand how the NCAA works. Takes years to "investigate" Bush and his house despite there being phone conversations on tape. Newton's dad admitted to asking for money and nothing happens.

Yet.

and FTR if Pryor and the Gang did break the rules they should sit for the Sugar Bowl.

[FUDU]

The puttin words in people's mouth thing is gettin old Lead. I never blamed the NCAA for this, just asked that they dish out more fitting punishments for the crimes.

Clearly this punishment does fit the crime.

[furls]

Well, from what I hear this stuff is old. These transactions apparently occurred a while ago, so while that does not change the nature of the offenses, it does make these look more like the actions of 18 year olds than 21 year olds. There is a big difference between the decisions I made as an 18 year old than the ones I made as a 21 year old.

That said, the right thing for the NCAA to do would be to suspend these guys for the bowl game, not the 2011 season. To me that is just dumb. Additionally, if you don't want these kids to sell this shit, then STOP FUCKING GIVING IT TO THEM. If we want to give players gold pants and championship rings, do it when they have spent their eligibility and they are on their way off the campus, escrow it so to speak.

I don't know about you guys, but I sold my own fucking blood to buy a couple of 12pks and a stick of beef jerkey when I was 18. If I would have had a Big Ten championship ring worth 1k, I would have sold that and kept the blood. Hell, $1,000.00 = 250 12PKS of the beast back in the day. That is like an entire month of partying!

[furls]

As for Pryor and company, I kind of hope they do go pro in light of the 5 game suspensions.

-I think Pryor has done enough damage in his 3 years here. He was a good player, not a great one, he was definitely not worth the bullshit he brought. He definitely left a legacy here (mostly on Twitter). I think this might Graham's shot to vault on to the field. He is supposed to be "just elusive enough to make guys miss" and have an excellent arm, pocket presence and football I.Q.

-Dan Herron did a nice job and I will always remember him as a "decent, but not quite OSU caliber" back. Let's see what Berry (provided he doesn't transfer), Hyde, and Smith (who has been all world in practice) can do.

-Mike Adams looked much better this year and is probably the biggest loss of all of the players as I think he could have been a great tackle next year. He probably cost himself a few million dollars here. He will be a 5th round type pick this year as opposed to a possible 1/2 next year.

-Posey creates the biggest hole, but frankly he never really improved from his sophomore season. He had already fallen behind Dane on my list, and I could really care less that he is leaving. Someone else will step up.

-Solomon Thomas, his suspension actually makes the team better by putting him in his most natural position, on the bench.

[gotribe31]

That said, the right thing for the NCAA to do would be to suspend these guys for the bowl game, not the 2011 season. To me that is just dumb.

Furls, totally agree with everything you said. Not sure if you saw the timeline of the investigation, but this is exactly what OSU tried to do. They self-reported the secondary violations, told the NCAA they were suspending the players for the Sugar Bowl, and the NCAA didn't like what that would do to their revenue so they decided on the 5 next year instead.
http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2010/ ... meline.htm

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Additionally, if you don't want these kids to sell this shit, then STOP FUCKING GIVING IT TO THEM. If we want to give players gold pants and championship rings, do it when they have spent their eligibility and they are on their way off the campus, escrow it so to speak.

I don't know about you guys, but I sold my own fucking blood to buy a couple of 12pks and a stick of beef jerkey when I was 18. If I would have had a Big Ten championship ring worth 1k, I would have sold that and kept the blood. Hell, $1,000.00 = 250 12PKS of the beast back in the day. That is like an entire month of partying!

This is an excellent point.

Giving a student athlete a $1,500 ring is a stupid thing to do. That's going to be the first thing to go the first time they need some scratch.

If you are going to reward these players, don't give them shit till they graduate, not leave for the NFL, but actually graduate. I know for a mega million dollar athelete, those rings might not mean shit. But it might to some other guys.

[pup]

Additionally, if you don't want these kids to sell this shit, then STOP FUCKING GIVING IT TO THEM. If we want to give players gold pants and championship rings, do it when they have spent their eligibility and they are on their way off the campus, escrow it so to speak.

I don't know about you guys, but I sold my own fucking blood to buy a couple of 12pks and a stick of beef jerkey when I was 18. If I would have had a Big Ten championship ring worth 1k, I would have sold that and kept the blood. Hell, $1,000.00 = 250 12PKS of the beast back in the day. That is like an entire month of partying!

This is an excellent point.

Giving a student athlete a $1,500 ring is a stupid thing to do. That's going to be the first thing to go the first time they need some scratch.

If you are going to reward these players, don't give them shit till they graduate, not leave for the NFL, but actually graduate. I know for a mega million dollar athelete, those rings might not mean shit. But it might to some other guys.

You know how many Big 10 Championship rings are on that campus right now? A few hundred? How many got sold? Blame the people that broke the rules, please.